Leading Thai doctors calling for mask mandate to be reinstated

[Catoni]

On 7/6/2022 at 9:19 PM, sandyf said:

Obviously missing from your vocabulary.

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/when-in-rome--do-as-the-romans-do

      When I come across a country where it has been long established custom for everyone to wear masks, going back to their great great grandparents time and before,  maybe I’ll do so. 
   But then why do people from other countries continue to dress in their national dress and not dress and act like us when they come to western countries? 
  It appears that for us….when in Rome do as Romans do.  But when Romans go to other countries, they can continue to do as Romans do. 
  What we call a Double Standard. 
 
   I’ll dress and wear what I wish as long as my torso legs and arms are covered.  No mask. 

   Now please list the countries where it has long been established national historic custom to go around masked.  

[josephbloggs]

4 minutes ago, Catoni said:

      When I come across a country where it has been long established custom for everyone to wear masks, going back to their great great grandparents time and before,  maybe I’ll do so. 
   But then why do people from other countries continue to dress in their national dress and not dress and act like us when they come to western countries? 
  It appears that for us….when in Rome do as Romans do.  But when Romans go to other countries, they can continue to do as Romans do. 
  What we call a Double Standard. 
 
   I’ll dress and wear what I wish as long as my torso legs and arms are covered.  No mask. 

   Now please list the countries where it has long been established national historic custom to go around masked.  

I saw two farangs getting in a taxi yesterday with no mask.  They must have felt so proud and so liberated.  Was one of them you by any chance?

Extremely rude, selfish and inconsiderate of them.

[transam]

On 7/8/2022 at 1:28 PM, josephbloggs said:

I saw two farangs getting in a taxi yesterday with no mask.  They must have felt so proud and so liberated.  Was one of them you by any chance?

Extremely rude, selfish and inconsiderate of them.

They probably had other things on their minds......????

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Coincidence?  I happily stopped wearing my mask as soon as the mandate was lifted.  Yesterday, I tested positive for Covid! ????????

[josephbloggs]

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

I saw two farangs getting in a taxi yesterday with no mask.  They must have felt so proud and so liberated.  Was one of them you by any chance?

Extremely rude, selfish and inconsiderate of them.

And tonight, on the ARL, busy Friday night, every single person wearing a mask apart from one freedom fighter farang.  Absolutely disgraceful,  Read the room muppet!  The Thais looked very uncomfortable but were too polite to say anything directly.  Just so unacceptable.  How can you not see what is around you?  Just terrible cultural insensitivity.

Again he could be one of our warriors posting here?

[rattlesnake]

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12 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

And tonight, on the ARL, busy Friday night, every single person wearing a mask apart from one freedom fighter farang.  Absolutely disgraceful,  Read the room muppet!  The Thais looked very uncomfortable but were too polite to say anything directly.  Just so unacceptable.  How can you not see what is around you?  Just terrible cultural insensitivity.

Again he could be one of our warriors posting here?

I stopped wearing my mask two weeks ago and the only dirty/uncomfortable looks I got so far were from farangs such as yourself. Maybe you should reflect on that.

 

Yesterday in a shopping center I saw about 10 maskless Thais in the space of 2 hours. As expected they are gradually getting used to taking them off.

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

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I stopped wearing my mask two weeks ago and the only dirty/uncomfortable looks I got so far were from farangs such as yourself. Maybe you should reflect on that.

 

Yesterday in a shopping center I saw about 10 maskless Thais in the space of 2 hours. As expected they are gradually getting used to taking them off.

Oh I am so giddy to hear you ditched the mask 2 weeks ago, The only dirty looks I see people give foreigners not wearing them are Thai's as their eyes tell the whole story, not sure how you could perceive a dirty look from someone wearing a mask based upon prior comments you have made regarding how masks affect social interactions.  To each his own, it is a personal choice and I accept your choice to do as you wish since the mandate was lifted.

[ThailandRyan]

18 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Coincidence?  I happily stopped wearing my mask as soon as the mandate was lifted.  Yesterday, I tested positive for Covid! ????????

Sorry to hear that Sir, hope the family is unaffected. Wonder if you picked it up from the school.  Hope you heal fast.

[Catoni]

On 7/8/2022 at 5:46 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

Coincidence?  I happily stopped wearing my mask as soon as the mandate was lifted.  Yesterday, I tested positive for Covid! ????????

“Coincidence?”  
     You can’t prove it’s not. 
I wore the mask religiously from day one when it was suggested, got my first two Covid shots in 2021 as soon as the vaccine became available here, (Pfizer) then in January 2022 got my first booster, Moderna (continuing to mask up), and five days later got sick and tested twice strong positive for Covid, and was sick for two weeks with it.  
    Coincidence ? 
 

   Much good the masking up did.  I’m finished with the Obedience now.  I’ll continue to get the shots. But I’m done with the O.F.D.’s 

    I can also tell you about my sister-in-laws brother. A REAL Covid paranoid if there ever was one.  Started masking back when this all began, then double masking with a face shield and wearing those silly blue rubber gloves. Got his shots. 
  And ALSO got Covid anyways.  
      Coincidence ?  
 

   There is no way you can prove you got Covid because you stopped wearing the mask. 
 

  But go ahead and try all you wish.  

[Catoni]

On 7/8/2022 at 1:28 PM, josephbloggs said:

I saw two farangs getting in a taxi yesterday with no mask.  They must have felt so proud and so liberated.  Was one of them you by any chance?

Extremely rude, selfish and inconsiderate of them.

I wore the [face masks] long enough. And it didn’t stop me from getting Covid five days after my first booster. 
   Tested strong positive with two tests. Sick for two weeks. 

  So much for the face mask.  

 I’m done wearing those....  It’s wonderful to be able to walk around breathing free after covering my face for so long. 
 

    Keep wearing them if you wish. I do believe in freedom. I won’t think badly of you if you mask up. 
 

   Try not to think badly of those of us who are finished with masking and wish to breath free and see faces again. 

Edited July 9, 2022 by onthedarkside
trolling comments deleted

[transam]

10 hours ago, Catoni said:

I wore the [face masks] long enough. And it didn’t stop me from getting Covid five days after my first booster. 
   Tested strong positive with two tests. Sick for two weeks. 

  So much for the face mask.  

 I’m done wearing those... face condoms.  It’s wonderful to be able to walk around breathing free after covering my face for so long. 
 

    Keep wearing them if you wish. I do believe in freedom. I won’t think badly of you if you mask up. 
 

   Try not to think badly of those of us who are finished with masking and wish to breath free and see faces again. 

You are quoting what happened to you, us humans are all different, if we were all the same life would be much easier.

 

Vaccines have been created in very short order to try and reduce deaths, they have, get your body prepared if you do catch C19 to deal with it, if it can, but doesn't stop you catching it...

  

[Catoni]

On 7/6/2022 at 7:11 AM, sawadee1947 said:

It's about the case fatality percentage of all Covid cases. Not those connected to covid only. 

And this is 10 percent, which can be easily varified by hospitals.

So not even similar to Flu by far. 

Do we agree ☺️?

Well, I’m 70, a bit obese, quadruple cardiac bypass surgery, borderline diabetic.   Got Covid back in January five days after my Moderna booster. (Marked it on the calendar. Tested strong positive for Covid on two tests)

   Was sick for two weeks.  Like a little bit worse than the common cold. Never even slowed me down. I could function just as easily as usual. 
   I’ve had the Flu several times in the past, and the Flu was much much worse.  WAY worse. Totally bed ridden and soaked in sweat from high fever. 
  If you were to tell me that starting tomorrow I had to have either Covid, or the Flu, my choice…..I would say give me Covid. Whatever you do, don’t give me the Flu. 

 

[ThailandRyan]

10 hours ago, Catoni said:

I wore the [face masks] long enough. And it didn’t stop me from getting Covid five days after my first booster. 
   Tested strong positive with two tests. Sick for two weeks. 

  So much for the face mask.  

 I’m done wearing those...  It’s wonderful to be able to walk around breathing free after covering my face for so long. 
 

    Keep wearing them if you wish. I do believe in freedom. I won’t think badly of you if you mask up. 
 

   Try not to think badly of those of us who are finished with masking and wish to breath free and see faces again. 

You really hate the masks don't you.  It is a mask, just a mask...

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Oh I am so giddy to hear you ditched the mask 2 weeks ago, The only dirty looks I see people give foreigners not wearing them are Thai's as their eyes tell the whole story, not sure how you could perceive a dirty look from someone wearing a mask based upon prior comments you have made regarding how masks affect social interactions.  To each his own, it is a personal choice and I accept your choice to do as you wish since the mandate was lifted.

My previous comments on social interactions pertained essentially to children's development which is a different issue.

 

A dirty look is (obviously) mostly in the eyes which are not covered by masks, there is also body language to some extent. I respect Thais and their country and if I perceived any resistance/hostility I would readily put it back on. My Thai wife would also tell me if it was a problem but she confirmed it was "up to me".

 

Thank you for respecting my choice as I respect yours.

[jspill]

Many Thais hate the masks as much as many farangs but feel they have to wear it to not 'look dirty' in the eyes of judgmental people, that's what I'm hearing from the wife and those of friends here.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Catoni said:

Well, I’m 70, a bit obese, quadruple cardiac bypass surgery, borderline diabetic.   Got Covid back in January five days after my Moderna booster. (Marked it on the calendar. Tested strong positive for Covid on two tests)

   Was sick for two weeks.  Like a little bit worse than the common cold. Never even slowed me down. I could function just as easily as usual. 
   I’ve had the Flu several times in the past, and the Flu was much much worse.  WAY worse. Totally bed ridden and soaked in sweat from high fever. 
  If you were to tell me that starting tomorrow I had to have either Covid, or the Flu, my choice…..I would say give me Covid. Whatever you do, don’t give me the Flu. 

 

There have been different types of C19, I would suggest each would affect folk differently. Same as flu....

Folk die from C19 and flu, fact..

[josephbloggs]

10 hours ago, Catoni said:

I wore the [face masks] long enough. And it didn’t stop me from getting Covid five days after my first booster. 
   Tested strong positive with two tests. Sick for two weeks. 

  So much for the face mask.  

 I’m done wearing those...  It’s wonderful to be able to walk around breathing free after covering my face for so long. 
 

    Keep wearing them if you wish. I do believe in freedom. I won’t think badly of you if you mask up. 
 

   Try not to think badly of those of us who are finished with masking and wish to breath free and see faces again. 

I enjoyed not wearing a mask when I was in the UK, and enjoy not wearing one here if I am walking down the street.  But are you saying the guy wasn't a jerk by being the only one on a busy train carriage that wasn't wearing one?  Especially considering the rules say you should.  I maintain he was an considerate jerk, not someone exercising their "freedom".   Up to you.

[sawadee1947]

2 hours ago, Catoni said:

Well, I’m 70, a bit obese, quadruple cardiac bypass surgery, borderline diabetic.   Got Covid back in January five days after my Moderna booster. (Marked it on the calendar. Tested strong positive for Covid on two tests)

   Was sick for two weeks.  Like a little bit worse than the common cold. Never even slowed me down. I could function just as easily as usual. 
   I’ve had the Flu several times in the past, and the Flu was much much worse.  WAY worse. Totally bed ridden and soaked in sweat from high fever. 
  If you were to tell me that starting tomorrow I had to have either Covid, or the Flu, my choice…..I would say give me Covid. Whatever you do, don’t give me the Flu. 

 

Lucky to survive Covid and Not suffering from Long Covid.

Sure in both cases (Covid and flu) you'll get a chance to die.

[wombat]

23 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Coincidence?  I happily stopped wearing my mask as soon as the mandate was lifted.  Yesterday, I tested positive for Covid! ????????

you can run but you cant hide.

[onthedarkside]

Several trolling comments have been removed,  along with an unsubstantiated misinformation post.

 

[Dalewhatdale]

On 7/5/2022 at 12:25 PM, 86Tiger said:

The entire world is over this.

 

But not LOS.

The 'entire world' is not. At all.

There are still countries where masks are mandatory on public transportation, and for good reason. It's insane how many people are still diying from COVID or being left with serious long-term effects after recovering from infection. Pretending it isn't happening won't make things better.

 

As always since this thing started (although you'd think some people would have learnt something), the thread is full of comments by armchair know-it-alls who believe they know better than trained doctor and scientists. Seriously, what a joke.

Edited July 9, 2022 by Dalewhatdale

[Dalewhatdale]

On 7/6/2022 at 4:01 AM, Catoni said:

As if the masks actually work. Studies now around the world show that they stop less than 30% of the virus...

 

...You need at MINIMUM..an N-95 filtering respirator with no valve, to make any meaningful difference .  That’s science. 

 

   

Nonsense. That's what you call science. As mentioned in this academic review written by actual scientists:

 

"A simple mask cut from a t-shirt achieved a fit score of 67, offering substantial protection from the challenge aerosol and showing good fit with minimal leakage."

 

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118

 

There's more:

 

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

 

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0264389

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-022-01814-3

 

Masks DO work in the community setting by reducing transmission, and even a basic one is far better than no mask.

Edited July 9, 2022 by Dalewhatdale

[rabang]

2 hours ago, Dalewhatdale said:

The 'entire world' is not. At all.

There are still countries where masks are mandatory on public transportation, and for good reason.

Yes, and they are very much in minority. At least in Europe it is roughly 5 countries masking vs. 45 not doing it.

[jacko45k]

On 7/7/2022 at 10:16 PM, josephbloggs said:

Is there such a thing as a huge minority??

There is such a thing as an oxymoron. 

[Lucky Bones]

On 7/5/2022 at 5:31 PM, SooKee said:

The conclusions these jerks jump to never cease to amaze me.  The evidence to show that the uptick in covid infection is due to the lifting of the mask mandate is what exactly?  Coincidence doesn't equal scientific evidence.  

 

That Thailand can even contemplate announcing that Covid is endemic is just bizarre given that at the slightest issue it's panic, panic, panic, lock down, masks on. ????

Not panic, panic.

It is Control...control.

Thai people are controlled.

They just do not realise it.

[SidJames]

On 7/7/2022 at 10:16 PM, josephbloggs said:

Is there such a thing as a huge minority??

My missus reckons that I have one.

[Catoni]

22 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

You really hate the masks don't you.  It is a mask, just a mask...

Fine, then you wear it. I won’t criticize you. It’s “,,just a mask”.  But for those of us who’ve had enough of the face condom…let us breathe free again.  
  I wore the mask religiously until I had my first two shots, and then my first booster, followed five days later by getting Covid anyways even though I had the shots and wore the mask and used hand sanitizer. . 
   After I was cleared from Covid….  that was it for me…
   No More Obedience Face Diaper. 
  Don’t criticize me for not wearing one. I won’t criticize you if you choose to wear one.  Fair ?    Thank you. 

[Catoni]

11 hours ago, Dalewhatdale said:

The 'entire world' is not. At all.

There are still countries where masks are mandatory on public transportation, and for good reason. It's insane how many people are still diying from COVID or being left with serious long-term effects after recovering from infection. Pretending it isn't happening won't make things better.

 

As always since this thing started (although you'd think some people would have learnt something), the thread is full of comments by armchair know-it-alls who believe they know better than trained doctor and scientists. Seriously, what a joke.

The doctors and trained scientists don’t even agree with each other, and to top it off they kept changing their minds ever since this thing escaped from the lab. 
   Mask, no mask, mask indoors but not outdoors, mask outdoors, stay home, get the shot you won’t get the virus.
       Get one shot…get two shots.   Oh..sorry now you need a booster…… sorry again two boosters…..three.. four…..   oh sorry… now a booster every nine months for the rest of your life.    Double mask is best…. N-95 mask is best…and don’t forget your face shield on top of it. 
    Do you so soon forget the WHO tweet on January 14, 2020, the World Health Organization (doctors and scientists) tweeted that there was “no clear evidence” that the Covid coronavirus could spread between humans.
Do you forget that already?  Did you believe the doctors and scientists then?  
  And they told us the vaccine is the key to going back to a normal life.   Do you forget? 
Well, a normal life means I don’t wear a mask anymore. But please feel free to continue to mask up for the rest of your life if you wish. 
  

Edited July 10, 2022 by Catoni
Correction

[Catoni]

20 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

I enjoyed not wearing a mask when I was in the UK, and enjoy not wearing one here if I am walking down the street.  But are you saying the guy wasn't a jerk by being the only one on a busy train carriage that wasn't wearing one?  Especially considering the rules say you should.  I maintain he was an considerate jerk, not someone exercising their "freedom".   Up to you.

If he was fully vaccinated and boosted and not sick…then No…he was not being an inconsiderate jerk.  
   He was breathing free. Obeying common sense laws, and not being obedient about nonsense dictates from our overlords. 
   The jerks are those who believe people should obey whatever “laws”, rules and dictates our “Great Leaders” wish to impose on us. 

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, Catoni said:

If he was fully vaccinated and boosted and not sick…then No…he was not being an inconsiderate jerk.  
   He was breathing free. Obeying common sense laws, and not being obedient about nonsense dictates from our overlords. 
   The jerks are those who believe people should obey whatever “laws”, rules and dictates our “Great Leaders” wish to impose on us. 

You are stuck on being controlled when your not.