New seat belt rules to apply from September

[LukKrueng]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Why would I have green plates? There are 4 doors and regular plates. 

If you have a 4 doors vehicle with black plates then it should have seatbelts at the back seat as well

[blackshadow]

20 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Unfortunately there is an elephant in the room.... and that elephant is not standing by idly but its s spaffing off into face of the lawmakers who’s laws and regulations go completely unenforced.....

 

Laws are pointless if they are ignored and unenforced. 

 

 

That said, the recognition that seatbelts (for the whole vehicle) and child safety seats are required is a good thing... but again, will the police bother to enforce them after the first two weeks of announcements and crackdowns ?

 

 

Then of course, that elephant is still in the room knocking one out over all the policy makers....  what about the pickup trucks with people stuffed in the flat bed ????? Motorcyclists without helmets etc etc etc.... 

 

 

Its great that Thailand is bringing in important laws.... but none of this means anything when that huge big fat elephant in the room is being completely ignored....   Thailand needs to address law enforcement on the roads, until then laws are pretty much irrelevant. 

you covered pretty much of what I WAS going to write....

who and how is all this going to be enforced.thats the 64,000,000 baht  question.......

[Cake Monster]

But if you have a Business, it will still be ok to transport 15 Workers in the rear Load Pan of your Pickup Truck

What a Joke

[Ralf001]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Seat appears to match the rest of the cab....I am pretty sure it was fitted in the factory! It is dealer bought too.....my cargo is the odd person! Had it since 2006 and it has never been an issue. 

Your pickup is a dual cab or extra cab ?

 

You have posted it does not have green letter number plates so that indicates (to me) it is dual cab.... Surprises me it does not have rear seat belts.

[hotchilli]

22 hours ago, webfact said:

Not wearing a seat belt in any seat of a car in Thailand will soon be punishable by a 2,000 baht fine. The rule will come into effect 120 days after its publication in the Royal Gazette on September 5, 2022.

Noticed from my transport home from immigration office this morning...

I guess as they are not sitting in seats this would be a grey area?

 

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I guess as they are not sitting in seats this would be a grey area?

= grey brain matter on the road ????

[Liverpool Lou]

12 hours ago, stoutfella said:

21 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Those vehicles are not supposed to carry passengers in the back section, that's why there's no belts.

Are you going to tell the people sitting in those seats that, or shall I?

I'll tell them or you can tell them, I don't care.  Just because passengers can sit there doesn't mean that it is legal to do so.   There's a reason why none of those "seats" are equipped with seat belts from the factory or are dealer supplied.

[Liverpool Lou]

17 hours ago, GreasyFingers said:

21 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Cargo, I suppose.  If it was meant for rear passengers they'd have to be supplied with belts as standard, as cars are.

By that same reasoning cars in the mountain areas should have cold/hot air-con but they don't.

What?   You've got an odd idea of the concept of reasoning

There's no connection between the reason (not the reasoning) for there being no belts in the rear of extended cab pickups and your opinion that cars should have heaters just because some may be driven to cooler areas.  (By the way, some cars sold in Thailand do have heaters).

Edited August 11, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[transam]

The Toyota Smartcab, although has a bench, is a 2 seater pickup.

 

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[MikeN]

21 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Cargo, I suppose.  If it was meant for rear passengers they'd have to be supplied with belts as standard, as cars are.

Having loose, unrestrained cargo piled high on that bench seat would be dangerous for the driver !

 The rear seat is designed for passengers by Toyota, Isuzu etc ( after all, parcels don’t need a padded seat) and my (made in Thailand) Hilux back in Australia has seat belts fitted in the rear. Smart cabs here are sold has cargo vehicles and incur less tax than 4 door pickups or cars, that’s why there are no seat belts fitted. I wouldn’t be surprised if the mounting points are there though, just hidden under the plastic trim. Otherwise the vehicle makers would have to retool just to make a Thai version of the same car body’s, probably cheaper to just hide the mounting points.

 But I am not going to rip my pickup apart to look ????

[Liverpool Lou]

44 minutes ago, MikeN said:

22 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Cargo, I suppose.  If it was meant for rear passengers they'd have to be supplied with belts as standard, as cars are.

Having loose, unrestrained cargo piled high on that bench seat would be dangerous for the driver !

 The rear seat is designed for passengers by Toyota, Isuzu etc ( after all, parcels don’t need a padded seat) and my (made in Thailand) Hilux back in Australia has seat belts fitted in the rear. Smart cabs here are sold has cargo vehicles and incur less tax than 4 door pickups or cars, that’s why there are no seat belts fitted. I wouldn’t be surprised if the mounting points are there though, just hidden under the plastic trim. Otherwise the vehicle makers would have to retool just to make a Thai version of the same car body’s, probably cheaper to just hide the mounting points.

"Having loose, unrestrained cargo piled high on that bench seat would be dangerous for the driver"

No more dangerous than loose, unrestrained passengers in an accident!

 

"The rear seat is designed for passengers by Toyota, Isuzu etc ( after all, parcels don’t need a padded seat)"

No, it isn't.  If it was designed specifically for passengers, the manufacturer would be required by law to provide seat belts.  Using the rear cab area of extended cab pickups (not double cabs) for passengers is illegal in Thailand, regardless of whether they are frequently used that way.  

 

"my (made in Thailand) Hilux back in Australia has seat belts fitted in the rear".

This is Thailand, not Australia and Thai regulations apply here, not Australian regs where different specifications may be required.

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[FunkyDunky58]

Another useless law that will not result in less road fatalities and will be selectively enforced by the BIB only when there is money in it for them. What about the law that people can't be in the back of pickups? Still happens. What about wearing helmets? Still not happening. What about kids riding motorbikes? Happens all the time. New laws is no solution. Law enforcement that is serious about safety more than tea money is what is needed.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, FunkyDunky58 said:

Another useless law that will not result in less road fatalities and will be selectively enforced by the BIB only when there is money in it for them. What about the law that people can't be in the back of pickups? Still happens. What about wearing helmets? Still not happening. What about kids riding motorbikes? Happens all the time. New laws is no solution. Law enforcement that is serious about safety more than tea money is what is needed.

All that is because there are no visible traffic cops....???? 

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

17 hours ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

It is illegal to carry passengers on the rear bench seat which is why the manufacturers do no install seat belts.

Seat appears to match the rest of the cab....I am pretty sure it was fitted in the factory!

He's not referring to the seats, he's referring to the [absence of] seat belts in the rear area which are not supplied, nor available, from the factory or the dealer.   That's because, whatever they look like, they're not intended for passenger use, if they were they'd have belts!

Edited August 11, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[bangon04]

23 hours ago, jacko45k said:

There isn't any seat belt for the bench seat at rear of my truck cab! And what about people traveling in the pickup bed?

the taxi I took today had no rear seatbelts - 

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I bet they were wearing masks though. 

I was at market Village in Hua Hin yesterday where many foreign looking people weren't wearing masks. 

If I don't want to wear a belt, it's only risking my life, if I don't wear a mask, it could hurt many others 

‘See... farang bad too’....  has become a very predicable and boring response from you... We all know you have Thai nationality... but don’t go ‘all native’ when attempting to deflect an issue by highlighting a different issue.... 

 

The mask wearing debate is old...  so many countries are already ‘over it’.... Thailand wants to cling on to these things [mask wearing] then thats a different debate..... 

 

 

Not wearing seatbelts is risking the lives of others...  50kgs of un-restrained person in an accident is projected with massive force into others in the vehicle. 

 

There are additional impacts on others with people not wearing seatbelts where deaths would otherwise be avoidable... 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by richard_smith237

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

‘See... farang bad too’....  has become a very predicable and boring response from you... We all know you have Thai nationality... but don’t go ‘all native’ when attempting to deflect an issue by highlighting a different issue.... 

 

The mask wearing debate is old...  so many countries are already ‘over it’.... Thailand wants to cling on to these things [mask wearing] then thats a different debate..... 

In a forum that has become a stage for 'Thai-bashing', It is important to neutralize the negative comments and Colonial attitude represented here. 

The ironic thing is that many of the Colonials never stop talking about the lack of cultural assimilation by immigrants to their countries. These minority groups are pressured to adapt their new countries attitudes and values, yet the Colonials presumptuously believe the Siamese values are inferior to their own.

[Jiggo]

This is the same law they tried to enforce before covid, must have found it again in file 13.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

In a forum that has become a stage for 'Thai-bashing', It is important to neutralize the negative comments and Colonial attitude represented here. 

The ironic thing is that many of the Colonials never stop talking about the lack of cultural assimilation by immigrants to their countries. These minority groups are pressured to adapt their new countries attitudes and values, yet the Colonials presumptuously believe the Siamese values are inferior to their own.

Strange you post here then, isn't it. ????

 

Would be better, you telling us why Thai road culture is so bad. You could start with telling us why there are no visible traffic cops out there on Thai roads, why drivers take no notice of pedestrian crossings, etc.....????

[PETERTHEEATER]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Seat appears to match the rest of the cab....I am pretty sure it was fitted in the factory! It is dealer bought too.....my cargo is the odd person! Had it since 2006 and it has never been an issue. 

Yes, everyone knows human passengers ride in the back. The makers pander to that by installing a rudimentary seat but no safety belts. As in most cases, the police enforce laws selectively and lower priced pickups sell so manufacturers will not change the configuration unless forced by law or falling sales. The model is the next step up from the motorcycle with the illegal sidecar. ????

[DJ54]

1 - Cash cow

2 - Does the individual without seatbelt get fined? Or does the driver ? Reference California if passenger is under 16 years old the driver gets fined. If passenger is over 16 years old both passenger and driver are fined. 
3 - It may not be entirely enforced but if you’re a farang I wouldn’t risk it.

[Eaglekott]

On 8/10/2022 at 3:01 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Those suicide rear doors providing access to that rear space are well-named from a passengers perspective.

I am not sure where the term Suicide doors term come from, They are not more dangerous than normal doors and I would believe normal doors has caused more motorbike and bicycle accidents than the Suicide styled. The only thing I can think of it it came out of irony if some one manage to open the door in 200km/h and hold the door handle so hard they would been thrown out of the car.

 

The suicide doors is very practical and makes it much easier to get in and out of the car especially if you have some kind of handicap or problem to move because of age or pain related issues.

 

By the way modern cars prevent the rear hinged doors to be opened when the car is moving, It have to be stand still, and in some cases here each side has front and rear hinged doors, ti front door must be opened firs to allow you to open the rear hinged one.

[Eaglekott]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:58 PM, Gold Star said:

This picture must be fake... None is wearing a mask. Only the kid in front is holding a Tablet, driver should hold a phone so he can follow the GPS and the girl holding the toddler need to check TikTok an any device..

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Eaglekott said:

On 8/10/2022 at 3:01 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Those suicide rear doors providing access to that rear space are well-named from a passengers perspective.

I am not sure where the term Suicide doors term come from, They are not more dangerous than normal doors and I would believe normal doors has caused more motorbike and bicycle accidents than the Suicide styled. The only thing I can think of it it came out of irony if some one manage to open the door in 200km/h and hold the door handle so hard they would been thrown out of the car.

I wasn't referring to the safety of the doors, by "suicide" I was referring to the lack of safety for those who choose to be passengers in an area with no safety measures whatsoever.

[AustinRacing]

Another example of a first world wannabe. Lots of valid points made here such as tinted windows, lack of interest from police, people allowed to ride in sections of vehicle not having seat belts, some public transport vehicles not having seat belts.

They like to copy good stuff from civilized countries without doing the hard work of preparing the necessary infrastructure. ie land of the short-cuts.

PS. They also forgot to copy the part that says kids under certain age should not be seated in the front seat. Airbag deployment can severely injure or kill a child. 

[Jen65]

On 8/10/2022 at 12:22 PM, BKKTRAVELER said:

I never understood people who don't wear their seat belt. It doesn't cost anything to do so and can potentially save your life. Especially in a country as dangerous as Thailand on the roads... Whatever vehicle I get in, that's the first thing I do as a reflex.

I remember the old saying "clunk click every trip "  !!

[jacko45k]

21 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

If you have a 4 doors vehicle with black plates then it should have seatbelts at the back seat as well

The lettering is green, green on white, perhaps that is what you meant?

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He's not referring to the seats, he's referring to the [absence of] seat belts in the rear area which are not supplied, nor available, from the factory or the dealer.   That's because, whatever they look like, they're not intended for passenger use, if they were they'd have belts!

I was wondering if the age had something to do with it.... pretty sure my old Ford Escort in the UK did not have seatbelts in the back. Your logic is flawed, the absence of seat belts does not define it is not intended for passengers, any more than the absence of a TV ! The presence of a seat cushion, a backrest cushion, seat pockets and windows, cup holders and an ash-tray, say the space was built for passengers! 

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, bangon04 said:

the taxi I took today had no rear seatbelts - 

He wanted you to ride up front.

[jacko45k]

17 hours ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

The model is the next step up from the motorcycle with the illegal sidecar.

Except with a 3 litre engine and turbo, ABS etc etc.