Takeaways from the ruling granting Trump's request for a special master in Mar-a-Lago probe

[Chomper Higgot]

An interesting question that is surely being addressed is, who has the security clearance to view the documents as a ‘Special Master’?

 

Clearly it’s not going to be some attorney appointed by the Judge.

 

The nature of the documents suggests it can only be some working for the Government, I would be very surprised if even the FBI has agents with the necessary clearances.

 

So most likely someone working for Government National Security.

 

Are these then the seeds of the next whacked out conspiracy theory?

 

My guess is it won’t get that far, the DOJ will appeal the Judges order.

 

[JetsetBkk]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

anybody wandering around Mar a Largo might find them

"where any bunch of armed FBI agents can break in and find them"

 

There, fixed it for you.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JetsetBkk said:

"where any bunch of armed FBI agents can break in and find them"

 

There, fixed it for you.

The FBI did not ‘break in’.

 

The lawfully conducted a lawful search under the author a lawfully issued search warrant.

 

 

 

 

[LosLobo]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

An interesting question that is surely being addressed is, who has the security clearance to view the documents as a ‘Special Master’?

 

Clearly it’s not going to be some attorney appointed by the Judge.

 

The nature of the documents suggests it can only be some working for the Government, I would be very surprised if even the FBI has agents with the necessary clearances.

 

So most likely someone working for Government National Security.

 

Are these then the seeds of the next whacked out conspiracy theory?

 

My guess is it won’t get that far, the DOJ will appeal the Judges order.

 

Even Bill Barr who has obviously taken the antidote for the Trump Kool-Aid has said that it is totally wrong, and the FBI should appeal.

 

Bill Barr says a special master won't fundamentally change much for Trump and represents a 'rain delay for a couple of innings' | Business Insider Africa

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by LosLobo

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Even Bill Barr who has obviously taken the antidote for the Trump Kool-Aid has said that it is totally wrong, and the FBI should appeal.

 

Bill Barr says a special master won't fundamentally change much for Trump and represents a 'rain delay for a couple of innings' | Business Insider Africa

 

Perhaps 11th Circuit Court of Appeal Chief Justice Clarence Thomas will recuse himself and re-habilitate his credibility. 

[metisdead]

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[LosLobo]

Lawrence O'Donnell's takeaway on Special Master!

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by LosLobo

[billd766]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree 100%, especially the bit about them making a gigantic political mistake. IMO their desire to remove Trump from 2024 is so strong they were blind to the inevitable consequences.

I imagine they are trying to find a way to mitigate the unintended consequences, but IMO the longer it goes on without any indictment, the worse it gets for them.

This is probably going to be a large part of the GOP election strategy up to the mid terms, and given to them on a plate.

But it is only your opinion and you are politically biased.

 

What is needed is an independent opinion and application.

 

What ever happens, one side will not accept the results.

[billd766]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that could apply to the present investigation into the documents as well. What happens if they don't find anything to indict him for?

More whataboutery.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said:

"where any bunch of armed FBI agents can break in and find them"

 

There, fixed it for you.

No, you didn't "fix" anything.

 

Do these armed agents always carry weapons in the normal course of their duty?

 

Did these agents have a legal warrant to enter the premises and conduct a search?

 

Did any of those agents draw their weapon and threaten any of the staff present?

[LosLobo]

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But it is only your opinion and you are politically biased.

 

What is needed is an independent opinion and application.

 

What ever happens, one side will not accept the results.

"What is needed is an independent opinion and application".

 

A verdict by a jury of Trump's peers at the US Supreme Court trial will ultimately provide that!

[ullman]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

"A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter,

Sounds a tad serious, well at least it is a serious leak to the WaPo by the desprate DoJ & FBI. There is no such evidence of this and only a fool would get sucked in by the illegal leaks. But, if it was so serious, and there was evidence, then Trump would be probably indicted and the fantastical fake news leaking aphrodisiac would end much to your disappointment. Nobody investigating a past president for alleged serious behavior and has a strong case needs to leak outrageous claims of nuclear docs. The factual info details the personal health and tax records, photos, items of clothing, searching his son's and wife's belongings is more in line with reality. Biden's game is imploding, his DOJ and FBI are two or more steps behind Trump as usual.

The master process may take some time to conclude and it's likely Trump will be back in the WH before the real truth and facts are revealed about the MAL gong show. Tough luck, MAGA is revered by American's and it shows, just ask Joe about his recent rally in WB-PA.

Edited September 7, 2022 by ullman

[ullman]

Seems like Biden authorized the FBI back in May to go after Trump. This alone is enough to seal Biden's fate. Biden can look forward to intense scrutiny and investigation of himself and his crime family very soon and we can expect to see a lot of Jim Jordan front and center who has "plans" for Biden.

J6/Fulton Co., MaL, etc. NOTHING Burgers par usual.

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.64.0.pdf

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ullman said:

Sounds a tad serious, well at least it is a serious leak to the WaPo by the desprate DoJ & FBI. There is no such evidence of this and only a fool would get sucked in by the illegal leaks. But, if it was so serious, and there was evidence, then Trump would be probably indicted and the fantastical fake news leaking aphrodisiac would end much to your disappointment. Nobody investigating a past president for alleged serious behavior and has a strong case needs to leak outrageous claims of nuclear docs. The factual info details the personal health and tax records, photos, items of clothing, searching his son's and wife's belongings is more in line with reality. Biden's game is imploding, his DOJ and FBI are two or more steps behind Trump as usual.

The master process may take some time to conclude and it's likely Trump will be back in the WH before the real truth and facts are revealed about the MAL gong show. Tough luck, MAGA is revered by American's and it shows, just ask Joe about his recent rally in WB-PA.

 

1 hour ago, ullman said:

Seems like Biden authorized the FBI back in May to go after Trump. This alone is enough to seal Biden's fate. Biden can look forward to intense scrutiny and investigation of himself and his crime family very soon and we can expect to see a lot of Jim Jordan front and center who has "plans" for Biden.

J6/Fulton Co., MaL, etc. NOTHING Burgers par usual.

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.64.0.pdf

Only 33 posts and already you are echoing whines about "why is it taking so long" that started literally hours after initial news of this story broke.

[DezLez]

31 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Only 33 posts and already you are echoing whines about "why is it taking so long" that started literally hours after initial news of this story broke.

I wonder what other "avatars" "it" is using to spread identical cr@p as some others?

[candide]

6 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I wonder what other "avatars" "it" is using to spread identical cr@p as some others?

They likely all have the same Twitter or Truth B.S. sources

[DezLez]

1 minute ago, candide said:

They likely all have the same Twitter or Truth B.S. sources

And the same single mutated brain cell!

[candide]

13 minutes ago, DezLez said:

And the same single mutated brain cell!

Or regressing ????

[billd766]

2 hours ago, ullman said:

Sounds a tad serious, well at least it is a serious leak to the WaPo by the desprate DoJ & FBI. There is no such evidence of this and only a fool would get sucked in by the illegal leaks. But, if it was so serious, and there was evidence, then Trump would be probably indicted and the fantastical fake news leaking aphrodisiac would end much to your disappointment. Nobody investigating a past president for alleged serious behavior and has a strong case needs to leak outrageous claims of nuclear docs. The factual info details the personal health and tax records, photos, items of clothing, searching his son's and wife's belongings is more in line with reality. Biden's game is imploding, his DOJ and FBI are two or more steps behind Trump as usual.

The master process may take some time to conclude and it's likely Trump will be back in the WH before the real truth and facts are revealed about the MAL gong show. Tough luck, MAGA is revered by American's and it shows, just ask Joe about his recent rally in WB-PA.

quote "There is no such evidence of this and only a fool would get sucked in by the illegal leaks."

 

How do YOU know this? 

 

Or is it just your opinion? If it is and IMHO it has just as much value as my opinion, which is that you are completely wrong.

 

Now if you are correct then I am sure that you have the genuine links to prove it.

 

It seems to me that the Trump supporters (and Trump himself) say the most outrageous things but mostly fail to back it up with proof. After all who would support a known serial liar, 30,xxx or more in 4 years.

 

Most rational readers and posters wouldn't.

 

[KanchanaburiGuy]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

An interesting question that is surely being addressed is, who has the security clearance to view the documents as a ‘Special Master’?

 

Clearly it’s not going to be some attorney appointed by the Judge.

 

The nature of the documents suggests it can only be some working for the Government, I would be very surprised if even the FBI has agents with the necessary clearances.

 

So most likely someone working for Government National Security.

 

Are these then the seeds of the next whacked out conspiracy theory?

 

My guess is it won’t get that far, the DOJ will appeal the Judges order.

 

Y'know, I thought about this, and then I realized it may be much simpler than it first appears.

 

First off, there are undoubtedly many attorneys with the proper clearances; if not in Florida, then certainly in and around Washington D.C. 

 

Secondly, the Special Master would not necessarily need to have the top security clearances. Why? Because any document requiring a security clearance............  automatically falls outside the Special Master's area of interest.

 

No documents requiring a security clearance could be part of the "personal" or "privileged" documentation the Special Master is supposed to be on the lookout for. So the Special Master would not have a reason to be looking at them, anyway!

 

So, even if the Special Master himself doesn't possess the proper clearances............. all that's needed is for the Special Master to be working along side a person who does.

 

The Special Master filters out the privileged communications the government shouldn't be looking at............ and their high security-clearanced co-worker........... filters out the sensitive materials the Special Master shouldn't be looking at!

 

Easy!

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Y'know, I thought about this, and then I realized it may be much simpler than it first appears.

 

First off, there are undoubtedly many attorneys with the proper clearances; if not in Florida, then certainly in and around Washington D.C. 

 

Secondly, the Special Master would not necessarily need to have the top security clearances. Why? Because any document requiring a security clearance............  automatically falls outside the Special Master's area of interest.

 

No documents requiring a security clearance could be part of the "personal" or "privileged" documentation the Special Master is supposed to be on the lookout for. So the Special Master would not have a reason to be looking at them, anyway!

 

So, even if the Special Master himself doesn't possess the proper clearances............. all that's needed is for the Special Master to be working along side a person who does.

 

The Special Master filters out the privileged communications the government shouldn't be looking at............ and their high security-clearanced co-worker........... filters out the sensitive materials the Special Master shouldn't be looking at!

 

Easy!

You need to think about it some more.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, ullman said:

Sounds a tad serious, well at least it is a serious leak to the WaPo by the desprate DoJ & FBI. There is no such evidence of this and only a fool would get sucked in by the illegal leaks. But, if it was so serious, and there was evidence, then Trump would be probably indicted and the fantastical fake news leaking aphrodisiac would end much to your disappointment. Nobody investigating a past president for alleged serious behavior and has a strong case needs to leak outrageous claims of nuclear docs. The factual info details the personal health and tax records, photos, items of clothing, searching his son's and wife's belongings is more in line with reality. Biden's game is imploding, his DOJ and FBI are two or more steps behind Trump as usual.

The master process may take some time to conclude and it's likely Trump will be back in the WH before the real truth and facts are revealed about the MAL gong show. Tough luck, MAGA is revered by American's and it shows, just ask Joe about his recent rally in WB-PA.

 

3 hours ago, ullman said:

Seems like Biden authorized the FBI back in May to go after Trump. This alone is enough to seal Biden's fate. Biden can look forward to intense scrutiny and investigation of himself and his crime family very soon and we can expect to see a lot of Jim Jordan front and center who has "plans" for Biden.

J6/Fulton Co., MaL, etc. NOTHING Burgers par usual.

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.64.0.pdf

What you think is a revelation is actually old news. The acting head of NARA asked Biden for permission to disallow claims of executive privilege by Trump. He agreed to that. Other than that no evidence he was involved in the subsequent decisions.

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, ullman said:

Sounds a tad serious, well at least it is a serious leak to the WaPo by the desprate DoJ & FBI. There is no such evidence of this and only a fool would get sucked in by the illegal leaks. But, if it was so serious, and there was evidence, then Trump would be probably indicted and the fantastical fake news leaking aphrodisiac would end much to your disappointment. Nobody investigating a past president for alleged serious behavior and has a strong case needs to leak outrageous claims of nuclear docs. The factual info details the personal health and tax records, photos, items of clothing, searching his son's and wife's belongings is more in line with reality. Biden's game is imploding, his DOJ and FBI are two or more steps behind Trump as usual.

The master process may take some time to conclude and it's likely Trump will be back in the WH before the real truth and facts are revealed about the MAL gong show. Tough luck, MAGA is revered by American's and it shows, just ask Joe about his recent rally in WB-PA.

What don't you understand about the fact that this all began as an attempt by NARA to get back the unvetted documents that Trump took from the White House. All Trump had to do was was return the documents for NARA to be vetted. Instead, he refused to accede to a grand jury subpoena. His own lawyers had returned some classified documents in January. We know that they recognized them as classified documents because they claimed Trump had no further classified documents in his possession. In a june meeting at Mar a Lago convened only because of another subpoena, Trump's lawyers refused to let government reps open the remaining boxes kept in storage. They subsequently send a letter to the Justice Dept claiming that all classified documents had been returned. We now know this was false. 

It was out of desperation that NARA called in the FBI.

Edited September 7, 2022 by placeholder

[ullman]

You people here actually expect Trump to be indicted for a doc dispute? If you do, you are clearly deluded.

But, despite the questionable leaks to WAPO, what and where does a state or fed prosecutor take this silly doc dispute?

 

The nuclear codes leak, where's the evidence, somewhere in the 22 pages of redactions in the affidavit? I doubt it. And since the NARA dispute was about Trump having the cited docs in his possession, now that they have been taken during the raid, in possesion of the DOJ, or government whats all the fuss about now?

 

This is nothing more than a stunt to distract Americans from Biden and his disaster admin and the out of control problems plaguing America in hopes of curtailing the blowout elections loses they face in November.

[onthedarkside]

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[placeholder]

11 minutes ago, ullman said:

You people here actually expect Trump to be indicted for a doc dispute? If you do, you are clearly deluded.

But, despite the questionable leaks to WAPO, what and where does a state or fed prosecutor take this silly doc dispute?

 

The nuclear codes leak, where's the evidence, somewhere in the 22 pages of redactions in the affidavit? I doubt it. And since the NARA dispute was about Trump having the cited docs in his possession, now that they have been taken during the raid, in possesion of the DOJ, or government whats all the fuss about now?

 

This is nothing more than a stunt to distract Americans from Biden and his disaster admin and the out of control problems plaguing America in hopes of curtailing the blowout elections loses they face in November.

A doc dispute? You think it's just because they were pieces of paper with writing on them that makes for all this fuss? It depends on what was written on them. Apart from the fact that Trump's people apparently lied most likely at his behest, which would be obstruction of justice and that he refused to obey a grand jury subpoena, another crime, the fact is that he left the information highly classified documents exposed to possible enemy acquisition. A resort with guest everywhere is hardly a secure place. The Secret Service is there but to guard the President and his family, not to guard documents. People have been jailed for what he did. Why should he get a break?

[LosLobo]

26 minutes ago, ullman said:

You people here actually expect Trump to be indicted for a doc dispute? If you do, you are clearly deluded.

But, despite the questionable leaks to WAPO, what and where does a state or fed prosecutor take this silly doc dispute?

 

The nuclear codes leak, where's the evidence, somewhere in the 22 pages of redactions in the affidavit? I doubt it. And since the NARA dispute was about Trump having the cited docs in his possession, now that they have been taken during the raid, in possesion of the DOJ, or government whats all the fuss about now?

 

This is nothing more than a stunt to distract Americans from Biden and his disaster admin and the out of control problems plaguing America in hopes of curtailing the blowout elections loses they face in November.

Trump leaked the raid on Mar-a-Lago. More likely that DOJ would not have released any information about it until Trump was indicted after mid-term elections.

So how is this a stunt to distract America from Biden?

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by LosLobo

[ullman]

15 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Trump leaked the raid on Mar-a-Lago

Thats false. Media reported it, and what does it matter?

Edited September 7, 2022 by ullman

[LosLobo]

2 minutes ago, ullman said:

Thats false. Media reported it, and what does it matter?

If it is false, please provide the evidence? I suggest that it does matter as it would prove that you have no credibility.

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, ullman said:

Thats false. Media reported it, and what does it matter?

The opposite of false, actually. 

 

"Trump announced on Monday that his palatial Florida residence had been raided early in the morning. Sources told Fox News Digital the search was in connection with materials that Trump took with him from his time as president. Sources also said National Archives and Records Administration referred the case to the Justice Department, which recovered 15 boxes of classified materials from the home."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-raids-trumps-mar-a-lago-unprecedented-agency-execute-search-warrant-former-president

 

Trump says FBI agents searched his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida

Updated August 9, 202210:54 AM ET

Former President Donald Trump said on Monday that FBI agents had searched his Mar-a-Lago club and residence in Palm Beach, Fla., and opened his safe.

The FBI and Department of Justice declined to comment, although Eric Trump said Monday night that he was told the search was related to the possible mishandling of government secrets the Justice Department is known to be investigating after the National Archives retrieved White House records from Mar-a-Lago.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/08/1116427430/trump-says-fbi-agents-raided-his-mar-a-lago-home-in-florida