Putin's NUCLEAR threat to the West: Vladimir warns Ukraine's allies he will use 'weapons of destruction',

[Rimmer]

 

 

Vladimir Putin today issued a chilling threat to use nuclear weapons against the West over Ukraine, warning world leaders: 'I'm not bluffing'. 

 

The desperate despot gave an address to the nation in which he announced a partial military mobilisation  - a first in Russia since the Second World War - and referendums in occupied areas of Ukraine to make them part of Russia itself.

 

Putin then vowed to use 'all means' to defend the 'new territories', adding: 'I'm not bluffing... Those trying to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know that the tables can turn on them.'

 

The move puts him on a collision course with Kyiv and its Western allies who have already said attacks to liberate areas under Russian control will not stop, and the results of any 'sham' referendums will not be recognised. 

 

Full story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11233965/Ukraine-war-Putin-announces-partial-military-mobilisation-Russia.html

 

-- © Copyright  Daily Mail 2022-09-21

[Bkk Brian]

UK Defence Secretary @BWallaceMP responds to President Putin’s address this morning.

 

[baboon]

Fortunately the OP is a Daily Mail article and therefore hardly likely to be the exact, literal and absolute truth.

[Bluespunk]

If true, and because of the OP source that is questionable-though I’m not sure even the mail would make this up, it wouldn’t be a surprise.
 

Putin proved he had lost the plot when he invaded Ukraine and his sanity will hardly have been helped by Russia getting its ass kicked by the Ukrainian forces. 
 

The man is dangerously unhinged and one hopes Russian internal forces will deal with him soon. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Bluespunk

[proton]

Bring it on Putin and see Moscow and Petersburg reduced to ash!

[webfact]

President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday ordered Russia's first mobilisation since World War Two, warning the West that if it continued what he called its "nuclear blackmail" that Moscow would respond with the might of all its vast arsenal.

 

"If the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will use all available means to protect our people - this is not a bluff," Putin said in a televised address to the nation, adding Russia had "lots of weapons to reply".

 

REUTERS

2022-09-21

[Denim]

Now widely reported. This from AP / Yahoo:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-russians-061436353.html

 

Clearly Putin has painted himself into a corner which is what makes him dangerous. 

 

However . even partial military call up will really set alarm bells ringing in the Russian population which so far has managed to carry on almost as normal despite what is happening in Ukraine.

 

The world best hope is that powerful people just outside his inner circle will decide that enough is enough and remove him from office before he gets a lot of people killed .

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Russia's short, sharp 3 day "special operation" in Ukraine is going so well then

 

[baboon]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Russia's short, sharp 3 day "special operation" in Ukraine is going so well then

 

Indeed. 6 months into a 3 day war...

[John Drake]

35 minutes ago, Denim said:

The world best hope is that powerful people just outside his inner circle will decide that enough is enough and remove him from office before he gets a lot of people killed .

Even worse people than Putin, if you can imagine that, are waiting behind the scenes. No, the problem is the countries that have aligned themselves with and become enablers of Putin. China and India, namely. And of course the gamesmanship Erdogan is playing in Turkey. The door is slamming on China because of their plotting. The same, however, has not been applied to India. It should be. India is a Russian lackey. (And, btw, in the biggest absurdity of all, futures are green across the board, nasdaq, Dow, S&P.)

Edited September 21, 2022 by John Drake

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Bring it on Putin and see Moscow and Petersburg reduced to ash!

What an ignorant comment!

What do you think would happen after Moscow and Petersburg are reduced to ash?

Do you think that Putin would stop?

Did you think at all?

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What an ignorant comment!

What do you think would happen after Moscow and Petersburg are reduced to ash?

Do you think that Putin would stop?

Did you think at all?

Not as ignorant as Putin's speech today. Or as ignorant as Russian state TV pundits saying they should have bombed the Queens funeral

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Bring it on Putin and see Moscow and Petersburg reduced to ash!

And who exactly do you expect to launch nuclear missiles into Russia?

 

Ukraine doesn’t have any. 

[NativeBob]

Yet on the bright side: Thailand is going to have massive arrivals of tourists. Shops and bars should learn how to cook borzsh and pirogi. And learn basic phrases.

[OneMoreFarang]

27 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not as ignorant as Putin's speech today. Or as ignorant as Russian state TV pundits saying they should have bombed the Queens funeral

There is a big difference between propaganda and discussing reality.

And obviously that is not only about Putin. We also can't trust all those "western" politicians. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Denim said:

Now widely reported. This from AP / Yahoo:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-russians-061436353.html

 

Clearly Putin has painted himself into a corner which is what makes him dangerous. 

 

However . even partial military call up will really set alarm bells ringing in the Russian population which so far has managed to carry on almost as normal despite what is happening in Ukraine.

 

The world best hope is that powerful people just outside his inner circle will decide that enough is enough and remove him from office before he gets a lot of people killed .

 

 

 

Putin can be impeached. Hope and pray. 

 

[placeholder]

Putin says he's going to use "Weapons of Destruction"? As opposed to the kind that blow kisses?

[jvs]

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

And who exactly do you expect to launch nuclear missiles into Russia?

 

Ukraine doesn’t have any. 

When Putin pushes the button there will be lots of missiles ready to go

in his direction.There are lots of subs in the area,ready to launch i think.

 

[Bluespunk]

15 minutes ago, jvs said:

When Putin pushes the button there will be lots of missiles ready to go

in his direction.There are lots of subs in the area,ready to launch i think.

 

By who? Which country or countries will launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine’s behalf?

Edited September 21, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Jingthing]

He is bluffing.

He lost the war.

He will annex the occupied territories.

That puts him in a stronger negotiating position to end the war.

But should Ukraine accept that?

Up to them.

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There is a big difference between propaganda and discussing reality.

And obviously that is not only about Putin. We also can't trust all those "western" politicians. 

Oh so its ok for Putin to make official nuclear threats as he did today but you chose to focus on a poster on here giving a response

[jvs]

9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

By whom? Which country or countries will launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine’s behalf?

Not necessarily on Ukrains behalf but if he dares to attack any NATO member they will have to retaliate and with overwhelming force i would think.

Lets hope it will not go that far,it will mean the end of life as we know it.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

16 minutes ago, jvs said:

When Putin pushes the button there will be lots of missiles ready to go

in his direction.There are lots of subs in the area,ready to launch i think.

 

And a couple of BUFFs are circling over northern Sweden right now. Check out Flightradar24.

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, jvs said:

Not necessarily on Ukrains behalf but if he dares to attack any NATO member they will have to retaliate and with overwhelming force i would think.

Lets hope it will not go that far,it will mean the end of life as we know it.

i thought the threat was against Ukraine and the country isn’t in nato.
 

I’m not sure any country will launch retaliatory strikes if putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. 
 

And to be honest, I believe they shouldn’t. 
 

If the unthinkable happens, I’m sorry but I can’t see MAD as the way to go. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Bluespunk

[candide]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

Even worse people than Putin, if you can imagine that, are waiting behind the scenes. No, the problem is the countries that have aligned themselves with and become enablers of Putin. China and India, namely. And of course the gamesmanship Erdogan is playing in Turkey. The door is slamming on China because of their plotting. The same, however, has not been applied to India. It should be. India is a Russian lackey. (And, btw, in the biggest absurdity of all, futures are green across the board, nasdaq, Dow, S&P.)

Right. China will not condone the use of nuclear weapons. Too much chaos. China is in great part a planned economy and society. Planners hate chaos. On top of it, It's not good for business.

 

India has strong links to Russia but trade with Russia is neglectible. The main economic partners are NATO countries, with USA ranked first. 

[RayC]

46 minutes ago, jvs said:

When Putin pushes the button there will be lots of missiles ready to go

in his direction.There are lots of subs in the area,ready to launch i think.

 

I'm not sure that mutual destruction is the optimal outcome for anyone.

[billd766]

I suspect that Putin has painted himself into a corner and can see no way out, other than threating the nuclear option.

 

I would think that he KNOWS that wherever he is in Russia there are a few missiles with his name on them.

 

Whilst he might control the button the response has to go through a few layers to get to the launchers and I would hope that some of those people will come to their senses and stop the launches. They must also know that they are targeted too. 

[jvs]

20 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

i thought the threat was against Ukraine and the country isn’t in nato.

My thought was Putin is indirectly threatening the countries supporting

The Ukraine.

He did this before of course and it remains to be seen if his words will have the desired effect.He is running out of everything and now he can no longer tell the Russians he is still winning this special operation.

 

[jvs]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

I'm not sure that mutual destruction is the optimal outcome for anyone.

No of course not,that is the worst scenario possible but the West can not afford to let him use Nuclear bombs.

He has gotten away with way too much,Crimea was the writing on the wall and he did get away with that one and his plans reach further then that.

[Thailand]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

And who exactly do you expect to launch nuclear missiles into Russia?

 

Ukraine doesn’t have any. 

I would imagine that most of the western world who have nuclear capability have a bucket load of missiles aiming at various Russian targets and numerous deterrents to counter any counter strike  in the event  the despot goes completely unhinged.