Yamaha Aerox vs. ? [2022]

[aldriglikvid]

Hi, 

 

If I would observe my 2 years of bike history +95% of rides are inner city, usually lasting 10min with the occasional 20min ride. My 2019 Yamaha Aerox have served me well, but honestly, it's the only bike besides Honda Click i've ever tried. 

 

I'm about to buy a new bike. For my purpose, what are the clear models that come in mind? Agreed, there are some fantastic +300cc bikes; I simply don't need that power in my current life/living situation. 

 

You who have tried both the PCX and Aerox, how would you describe your experience? 

 

bless! 

 

[Kalorymetr]

It's all the same pretty much, I see little to no difference between different scooters, they are all okay for short commutes and suck for longer rides

[freedomnow]

Nmax....great ride stability and ABS front/back.

 

A more laid back seat angle vs Aerox steep dip seat angle.

Edited October 2, 2022 by freedomnow

[rankric]

Nmax like above comment have over taken the PCX for comfort and style. My only reservation about some nmax new models, they appear a bit big. Not ideal for whizzing thru traffic. Mine is 2019 a smaller profile and very good for city a 2 b.

Edited October 2, 2022 by rankric

[frantick]

I prefer the riding position of the aerox; feels more upright and in control like my sport bike I had in the states. All my friends ride pcx/nmax. They are slightly more work to park also. 

 

Have to buy a hook for transporting bags and meals, as my underseat is always occupied by a 2nd helmet, but that's true of all of those I've listed. 

 

Not a fan of the Click stepthrough design, works great for hauling stuff, but unstable at speed. 

 

Good luck whichever you choose. 

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, frantick said:

Not a fan of the Click stepthrough design, works great for hauling stuff, but unstable at speed. 

 

 

Not true at all, I regulalrly go 80kph and very stable, 100 was ok too

[CANSIAM]

Can't go wrong with the Aerox for your short distances, built stronger, just bought one - 520 kms on it now......lol

[Henryford]

I've had a NMAX and Aerox and now have a Click 160. The NMAX had some good points but i never warmed to it. The Aerox was great liked it a lot but the awful colour schemes put me off buying another. I've just bought my first Click. I really like it too, the new 160 is just as fast as the others now with rear disc brake (unlike the Aerox). No problems at all with stability and of course it's great for carrying stuff. One of the factors was price 72,000, a lot cheaper than an Aerox and wayyyyyyyy cheaper than a PCX (i was quoted 110,000). For riding mostly around town hard to beat it. And should be easy to sell when the time comes.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Henryford

[freedomnow]

9 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Not true at all, I regulalrly go 80kph and very stable, 100 was ok too

Is that when you are doing a runner from your beer tab for the night ?

[NickyLouie]

Honda produces better quality and more reliable engines than Yamaha.

 

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

Honda produces better quality and more reliable engines than Yamaha.

 

I like Honda for their big bike service line in Thailand, and also enjoyed the pcx for 15 000km, and never liked the smaller Yamahas out of different reasons, but to claim Honda is better quality than Yamaha is bold. You pay more for Honda usually depending on which model, so it should be better quality, right? 

[richard_smith237]

9 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

12 hours ago, frantick said:

Not a fan of the Click stepthrough design, works great for hauling stuff, but unstable at speed. 

 

 

Not true at all, I regulalrly go 80kph and very stable, 100 was ok too

I think stability is what we ‘feel’ and if we’re used to riding a ‘real motorcycle’ scooters defiantly feel less stable when going faster...  That said, scooters are hardly ‘unstable’ at 100kmh, but they do feel different to conventional motorcycle - I think the quality of suspension, the size of wheels and the fork rake obviously all have a lot to do with this. 

 

As far as the Ops question: At the end of the day its just a scooter... none of them ‘snap knicker elastic’ or are great ‘riders bikes’ they are scooters...  So, go for one you like that fits you etc... 

 

IMO - ABS is a must, decent storage also a must...  I like keyless too, but thats not a major point.

 

Of the Bunch I like the Honda ADV 150cc (and would much prefer the ADV 350 but the Op has already pointed out he doesn’t want anything that size). 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think stability is what we ‘feel’ and if we’re used to riding a ‘real motorcycle’ scooters defiantly feel less stable when going faster...  That said, scooters are hardly ‘unstable’ at 100kmh, but they do feel different to conventional motorcycle - I think the quality of suspension, the size of wheels and the fork rake obviously all have a lot to do with this. 

 

As far as the Ops question: At the end of the day its just a scooter... none of them ‘snap knicker elastic’ or are great ‘riders bikes’ they are scooters...  So, go for one you like that fits you etc... 

 

IMO - ABS is a must, decent storage also a must...  I like keyless too, but thats not a major point.

 

Of the Bunch I like the Honda ADV 150cc (and would much prefer the ADV 350 but the Op has already pointed out he doesn’t want anything that size). 

 

 

Bigger bikes feel different for sure, probably because they are much heavier, but i found my BMW F800GS no more stable than my Honda Click 125i, i was just doing 80kph in very heavy rain on the Click and it was brilliant,even going through deep water and a hidden pot hole

Edited October 3, 2022 by scubascuba3

[aldriglikvid]

Great feedback all, thanks. 

 

Agreed, the Nmax seems to have "overtaken" Pcx in my sphere of friends/general observation as well. A handful years ago I only saw pcx's....

The Nmax is tempting, but I'm worried about the increased size....it just seems bulkier to manage? 

On another note, the Yamaha/Honda official stores - are one able to "try" out bikes?

[Hummin]

12 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Bigger bikes feel different for sure, probably because they are much heavier, but i found my BMW F800GS no more stable than my Honda Click 125i, i was just doing 80kph in very heavy rain on the Click and it was brilliant,even going through deep water and a hidden pot hole

If a BMW does not feel different than a Click, it is either damaged, nobby tires out of balance and wrong air pressure, or your ability to know the difference between an adventure bike set up for mixed roads and a light bike with 14” rims. But anyway, as long you believe it, heck yeah, good for you

[scubascuba3]

31 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If a BMW does not feel different than a Click, it is either damaged, nobby tires out of balance and wrong air pressure, or your ability to know the difference between an adventure bike set up for mixed roads and a light bike with 14” rims. But anyway, as long you believe it, heck yeah, good for you

Different because of weight, both stable, poor riders think a scooter is unstable

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Different because of weight, both stable, poor riders think a scooter is unstable

It comes with smaller wheels, wheelbase and ground clearance as weel suspension, suspension settings, balance point and more. 
 

It all comes down to purpose of use and of course experience. 

[NickyLouie]

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

I like Honda for their big bike service line in Thailand, and also enjoyed the pcx for 15 000km, and never liked the smaller Yamahas out of different reasons, but to claim Honda is better quality than Yamaha is bold. You pay more for Honda usually depending on which model, so it should be better quality, right? 

 

A simple visual of the differences in quality are the turn / lighting switches used on both brands of motorcycles. Compare how much better quality those used on Honda are then Yamaha and then from those exterior parts you a delve deeper into the engine mechanics. 

[arithai12]

On 10/4/2022 at 12:16 AM, NickyLouie said:

 

A simple visual of the differences in quality are the turn / lighting switches used on both brands of motorcycles. Compare how much better quality those used on Honda are then Yamaha and then from those exterior parts you a delve deeper into the engine mechanics. 

I have had 3 Clicks and 2 Aerox, I also drive sometimes my wife's G.Filano. All new from dealer.

I have had very few problems, all of them with the Clicks. e.g., all 3 Clicks would need tyre inflating every few weeks, the Aerox 1-2/year.

 

Admittedly the Aerox is in another league in terms of price& performance, but lighting switches??

 

As for engine, give me a break. The Aerox 155 from 2021 has 155cc, and 15HP. The latest ADV/PCX 160 has 156cc(!), and also 15HP but at a higher RPM and they are heavier. How's that better?

Edited October 6, 2022 by arithai12

[arithai12]

On 10/3/2022 at 2:45 PM, aldriglikvid said:

Great feedback all, thanks. 

 

Agreed, the Nmax seems to have "overtaken" Pcx in my sphere of friends/general observation as well. A handful years ago I only saw pcx's....

The Nmax is tempting, but I'm worried about the increased size....it just seems bulkier to manage? 

On another note, the Yamaha/Honda official stores - are one able to "try" out bikes?

The Nmax and PCX share a design with lower seat and "armchair feeling", which I personally dislike but might be attractive to some. Also the forward footrest position, which is however only suitable for short people.

The Aerox has a more "sporty" and higher seat position, partly copied in the ADV.

 

Usually dealers don't have models to try out (well, once I was offered to ride one in the 50m parking space behind the dealer). But it's a good investment to rent out one for a day.

[arithai12]

On 10/3/2022 at 4:30 AM, scubascuba3 said:

Not true at all, I regulalrly go 80kph and very stable, 100 was ok too

If you refer to vibrations while driving on the straight, ok. But stable also means capable of holding the road in case of bumps, sudden accelerations, braking, change of lane.

Having had both Click and Aerox, there's no doubt to me that Aerox is a much more stable scooter (speaking of Click 125).

Edited October 6, 2022 by arithai12

[scubascuba3]

4 hours ago, arithai12 said:

I have had 3 Clicks and 2 Aerox, I also drive sometimes my wife's G.Filano. All new from dealer.

I have had very few problems, all of them with the Clicks. e.g., all 3 Clicks would need tyre inflating every few weeks, the Aerox 1-2/year.

 

Hardly a big deal tyre pressure going down, usually normal for tyres to go down. Did you buy new Aerox shocks? seems to be mandatory or get the dash fault?

[aldriglikvid]

15 hours ago, arithai12 said:

I have had 3 Clicks and 2 Aerox, I also drive sometimes my wife's G.Filano. All new from dealer.

I have had very few problems, all of them with the Clicks. e.g., all 3 Clicks would need tyre inflating every few weeks, the Aerox 1-2/year.

 

Admittedly the Aerox is in another league in terms of price& performance, but lighting switches??

 

As for engine, give me a break. The Aerox 155 from 2021 has 155cc, and 15HP. The latest ADV/PCX 160 has 156cc(!), and also 15HP but at a higher RPM and they are heavier. How's that better?

Thanks mate! You convinced me for another Aerox ???? Haha. 

[The Fugitive]

Interesting thread. Long story but the wife now has an XMAX 300. I haven't tried to ride it yet but nobody has mentioned this scooter yet. Anything to beware of for someone used to a Honda Wave base 100?

[papa al]

3 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Interesting thread. Long story but the wife now has an XMAX 300. I haven't tried to ride it yet but nobody has mentioned this scooter yet. Anything to beware of for someone used to a Honda Wave base 100?

Mind not to wheelie.

[Hummin]

19 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Interesting thread. Long story but the wife now has an XMAX 300. I haven't tried to ride it yet but nobody has mentioned this scooter yet. Anything to beware of for someone used to a Honda Wave base 100?

Plug and play just a bit wider and heavy, but when a 155cm with 40kg can handle it I'm sure most normal riders can do to. Why is the reason you need to limit yourself? 

[The Fugitive]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Plug and play just a bit wider and heavy, but when a 155cm with 40kg can handle it I'm sure most normal riders can do to. Why is the reason you need to limit yourself? 

Thanks for the encouragement! I inherited the Honda Wave from my father-in-law but my Mrs has now given it away to a friend in need. The XMAX was not an intentional purchase, she helped out a friends son who was unable to maintain the instalments and it now (sort of) belongs to her so I believe? 

[digbeth]

On 10/3/2022 at 2:57 PM, Hummin said:

If a BMW does not feel different than a Click, it is either damaged, nobby tires out of balance and wrong air pressure, or your ability to know the difference between an adventure bike set up for mixed roads and a light bike with 14” rims. But anyway, as long you believe it, heck yeah, good for you

Even a Honda Wave with 17" rims are markedly more stable than the belt driven scooters like the Clicks

[scubascuba3]

20 minutes ago, digbeth said:

Even a Honda Wave with 17" rims are markedly more stable than the belt driven scooters like the Clicks

Garbage

[In the jungle]

On 10/3/2022 at 2:15 PM, NickyLouie said:

Honda produces better quality and more reliable engines than Yamaha.

 

I am very much a fan boy of Honda motorcycles.  I have seven Honda motorcycles and no other brand.  But I do not buy the assertion that Yamaha are inferior in terms of quality.  I think Honda and Yamaha are broadly the same in terms of quality and both are markedly better than most.

 

Where I do believe Honda in Thailand are way better than Yamaha is their dealer network, parts support and documentation.  By documentation I mean the fact that you can find the parts book for just about any model sold in Thailand online for free.  Honda are also remarkably good in parts support for their older models.