Jailed and blacklisted: Frenchmen in attack on Thai man ordered held by court - driver is Hua Hin man with Thai wife

[CG1 Blue]

52 minutes ago, Myran said:

It's been posted here 

 

The Thai guy definitely could've / should've walked away after being knocked down the first time. I guess pride / loss of face got the better of him. 

 

The French guy looks like he's been trained to fight, maybe Muy Thai training?  Leading with a kick then punch, doesn't look like a typical farang move. 

 

So unlucky the Thai guy landed on the kerb. Hope he pulls through.

 

Just shows why it's never worth getting involved in street scraps. One probably heading for jail and the other one fighting for his life. 

[tandor]

Wrong!..they have not been 'jailed'. They are being remanded in custody pending a Court case. They have not been tried, nor convicted, nor sentenced...when are you going to get the terminology correct WebFact...geez!

[koele2]

The funny thing is the wife said her husband asked the two French guys if they needed help.  In my head I can hear the Thai guy asking “do you guys have a problem?”  That question can mean a lot of different things.

[tandor]

21 minutes ago, MartinL said:

That's exactly what was shown on Channel 3 News this morning. I remember thinking "At least the foreigner walked away when his opponent was down, rather than putting the boot in". 

WebFact only showing a small part of it..i see...hmm!

[roo860]

28 minutes ago, MartinL said:

That's exactly what was shown on Channel 3 News this morning. I remember thinking "At least the foreigner walked away when his opponent was down, rather than putting the boot in". 

About 53mins in.

[btwretail]

18 minutes ago, roo860 said:

About 53mins in.

And here is what the Thai guys wife has told police and media:

 

On Monday, Ms Lakhana recalled what happened next. She and her husband assumed the occupants of the car were looking for directions. However, suddenly the men emerged from it shouting and behaving aggressively. 34-year-old Mr Raymond Bugeya began punching her husband on the street. Mr somkhuan retreaded from his attacker who pursued and punched in the head, collapsing him.

 

The Thai man, wearing a black T-Shirt and blue shorts, attempted to flee into a local shop on the roadside, the Wassana shabu shop.

However, he chased down and Mr Somkhuan received a critical blow at this point leading him to fall to the ground, hitting his head on the pavement.

 

(Wonder where she learnt to lie like that)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by btwretail

[Sparktrader]

1 hour ago, btwretail said:

Fighting is also skill and knowing your limits.  I weigh 102kg and can throw a fairly hard punch. That does not change the fact that my boxing trainer at 62kg would beat the <deleted> out of me in a fight.

 

If I had been knocked down in one punch like the Thai was in this case, I am pretty sure I would have just stayed down and let the French guy just walk away. Instead he wanted to keep fighting and got punished for it. Had he not been unlucky and hit is head badly on the pavement, most would have said "Ohh well he asked for it".

 

 

That just means you cannot fight. King hitting a little guy on a road is probably 5% to 10% likely to kill or icu.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

For what its worth the person who knows everything (the young lady of the house) says the falang sent Thai people to a nearby restaurant to pay to have  cctv footage deleted!

Thats concerning !

The ‘other person who knows everything’ says it was an unprovoked attack after she said the car was nice….

 

….. are we suddenly believing everything we read or are told ? 

[freedomnow]

Thai on Thai, would it even get to this escalated legal stage - no.

[spermwhale]

12 hours ago, peter zwart said:

Good, put them on a plane and let them stay out of Thailand. Dont need this kind of @#^*** here.

Actually, they need to sit in a jail a few years for this violent attack. They need to be kept out of society for a while before being sent home and blacklisted.

[swerve]

 

 

Video: https://www.facebook.com/100064875510284/posts/pfbid0MA8MYd4n1e41e4dXozpCgctSZ5kLgwnWpokyQLsKoK5UqvP2ztWh1Jj9pXzHcv6Ll/

[Sparktrader]

1 hour ago, koele2 said:

The funny thing is the wife said her husband asked the two French guys if they needed help.  In my head I can hear the Thai guy asking “do you guys have a problem?”  That question can mean a lot of different things.

Yeah it means do you have a problem 555

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, btwretail said:

Fighting is also skill and knowing your limits.  I weigh 102kg and can throw a fairly hard punch. That does not change the fact that my boxing trainer at 62kg would beat the <deleted> out of me in a fight.

 

If I had been knocked down in one punch like the Thai was in this case, I am pretty sure I would have just stayed down and let the French guy just walk away. Instead he wanted to keep fighting and got punished for it. Had he not been unlucky and hit is head badly on the pavement, most would have said "Ohh well he asked for it".

 

 

OK. They got into a fight. It was the driving away, after the man hit the pavement and is clearly knocked out, or possibly dead, that is the troublesome part of all this. 

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, btwretail said:

Not saying anything justifies what the French guy did. Just saying that this was NOT an unprovoked attack on an innocent peaceful Thai-guy. And the media is for sure not showing it in the right perspective.

 

 

Since when is the media here reliable, uncensored, not biased and even the slightest bit objective? 

[goldenbrwn1]

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

anyone got a link for the original, start to finish, as hate to come in on the middle of a conversation.

 

Remember a Hua Hin incident, where all were negative about Thais during a punch up, but when whole vid was played, then obviously the farang tourists started it, the Thais simply finished it.

You mean the one where some Thais in their late 20s to 30’s banged out some old people who got into a little scuffle? If it is , I remember that. 

[PoorSucker]

4 hours ago, tandor said:

Wrong!..they have not been 'jailed'. They are being remanded in custody pending a Court case. They have not been tried, nor convicted, nor sentenced...when are you going to get the terminology correct WebFact...geez!

They were transferred to the Samui jail from the holding cells in Chaweng police station. 

[FarAway]

14 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

Doesn't matter who started the fight. You get into it with someone and they end up in ICU, expect consequences.

 

I am no expert in Thai law, but in any law books from other countries that I know there is the right of self-defense. If someone attacks you, you naturally have the right to defend yourself. Wouldn't make sense in any other way really, so I bet it is the same in Thailand.

 

So it definitely matters who started the fight.

If the Thai guy started the fight and the frenchmen just defended theirself after being provoked and attacked, they are basically completely innocent and all of you guys calling for them to rot in jail and being deported and blacklisted while having family in this country are not just wrong by law, but inhumane as well.

Most likely just jealous of the Porsche and that you couldn't defend yourself in any situation.

[BritManToo]

11 hours ago, aBigSmile said:

 

First off, he stopped the car, availing the ensuing confrontation.

Next, he didn't try to deescalate the situation.

Lastly, He didn't lend help to the fallen man. 

 

1. You're supposed to stop when you have a car accident.

2.  Why should he?

3. Maybe he has no medical training.

 

And why was the French car driver arrested?

[tandor]

6 hours ago, PoorSucker said:

They were transferred to the Samui jail from the holding cells in Chaweng police station. 

yes..in Remand.

[Bert got kinky]

26 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

1. You're supposed to stop when you have a car accident.

2.  Why should he?

3. Maybe he has no medical training.

 

And why was the French car driver arrested?

 

And why was the French car driver arrested?

Unless they are privy to more information on this case, this is the question that the French Embassy should be demanding an answer to.

However, if the French Embassy are as 'sharp' as their British counterparts, the driver should look at selling the motor and hiring a good lawyer.

 

Disclaimer: I sometimes get the words 'sharp' and 'incompetent' mixed up

 

[daveAustin]

17 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

All who not like it, can find another place in the world. 

Any chance you could follow your own advice and stop making this forum so bitter? Plenty of innocent foreigners have been wronged by Thais. The French aren’t my favourites and ending up in ICU is excessive, but this case is clearly iffy. If the Thai guy attacked the farang, he’s only got himself to blame. 

[hotchilli]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

The pair were holidaying in Samui after arriving on October 4th. The 28 year old's wife and children had already returned to Hua Hin.

She's going to have to live without him for a very long time..

both guys were complete idiots.

ruined the lives of other people and will spend a considerable amount of time in the pokey... for what?

 

[BKKBike09]

6 hours ago, FarAway said:

I am no expert in Thai law, but in any law books from other countries that I know there is the right of self-defense. If someone attacks you, you naturally have the right to defend yourself. Wouldn't make sense in any other way really, so I bet it is the same in Thailand.

 

So it definitely matters who started the fight.

If the Thai guy started the fight and the frenchmen just defended theirself after being provoked and attacked, they are basically completely innocent and all of you guys calling for them to rot in jail and being deported and blacklisted while having family in this country are not just wrong by law, but inhumane as well.

Most likely just jealous of the Porsche and that you couldn't defend yourself in any situation.

Sure there's the right to self-defence. There's also 'reasonable force' and proportionality. Either party had the chance to walk away. Both parties chose not to. The French guys - for whatever reason - appear to have stopped their car in order to have a confrontation. They could have just driven on.

 

I think they're unlucky in that the French guy doesn't appear - in the video - to be trying to 'viciously assault' the Thai guy. But the Thai guy still ended up in ICU. In any country if you get in a fight and another party ends up in ICU, you're going to court.

 

PS - i'm not jealous of the Porsche. Don't like them. Now if it was a Maserati ...

[Chongalulu]

13 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Not correct. A hard punch from a 80kg guy on a 55kg is not self defense. Thats attack. If you dont know this you know nothing about fighting.

 

Boxers weighing 95kgs dont fight 70kg guys for a reason. The great Carnelo went up in weight got schooled.

 

Punches in street fights are far more dangerous than any body kick.

And you know nothing of the law,because effectively you’re suggesting that smaller guys have carte Blanche to attack people that outweigh them - what are you suggesting the permissible weight difference should be , 5,10,20 kilos ?..should there be a weigh in before the victim can decide how to respond? Because the law has to be precise. And there’s legal precedent which eviscerates your argument. Duncan Ferguson,the 6'4" Everton striker hospitalised a smaller burglar he found in his home and who tried to attack him. The burglar tried to bring charges - guess where that went..? Now before you fall into the trap of saying "yeah but the burglar was committing a crime" , what was the smaller attacker doing when he assaulted the other guy ? A crime perhaps? 
Is it sinking in yet..? ???? 

[Bert got kinky]

 

Holy mackerel Batman, The Joker's back and he looks like he wants a square go.

Don't worry Robin, I'll just go get the bat-scales.

 

[huberthammer]

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Have you watched the video?

 

…. it was a fight between two guys… not a savage unprovoked attack…

he didn’t stamp on his head, use a knife or glass him savagely in the face…. The Thai guy fell hitting his head badly after getting hit… very unfortunate….   But it was a fight between two guys, not a savage attack.

 

The video shows the Thai guy kicking out twice & the French man hitting & kicking him back…. 
 

What occurred before this point is not clear.

I think you made your point. Either you just trying to antagonise everybody here with your stupid defence of the French Thug or you are are indeed one of these foreigners living here who constantly look down on the locals and behave like the master race and behave like thugs.  stop being a bell and move on from repeating the same over and over. 

[BritManToo]

31 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Sure there's the right to self-defence. There's also 'reasonable force' and proportionality. Either party had the chance to walk away. Both parties chose not to. The French guys - for whatever reason - appear to have stopped their car in order to have a confrontation. They could have just driven on.

 

I think they're unlucky in that the French guy doesn't appear - in the video - to be trying to 'viciously assault' the Thai guy. But the Thai guy still ended up in ICU. In any country if you get in a fight and another party ends up in ICU, you're going to court.

 

PS - i'm not jealous of the Porsche. Don't like them. Now if it was a Maserati ...

What crime do you think the French driver committed?

[ThaSalaPaul]

20 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"They have been charged with causing grievous bodily harm and driving a motor vehicle with a red plate at night".   Not so "dumb".

I think his point was that it is hard to see the logic of making it illegal to drive a car with red plates at night. I too struggle to see the logic of it

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, huberthammer said:

I think you made your point. Either you just trying to antagonise everybody here with your stupid defence of the French Thug or you are are indeed one of these foreigners living here who constantly look down on the locals and behave like the master race and behave like thugs.  stop being a bell and move on from repeating the same over and over. 

What crime do you think the French driver committed?

[ThaSalaPaul]

19 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

No, I do not understand the ongoing hatred against Thai people and the always protective reactions against foreigners either. That´s why I work opposite. After all, I am in Thailand so it just seems like the right thing to do. All who not like it, can find another place in the world. 

But that attitude results in you doing the very thing you dislike other people doing, just on the other side of the same coin. As the saying goes "2 wrongs do not make a right". Everyone deserves to be treated equally regardless of colour, creed or sexual preference.