Jailed and blacklisted: Frenchmen in attack on Thai man ordered held by court - driver is Hua Hin man with Thai wife

[huberthammer]

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What crime do you think the French driver committed?

He getting charged for drink driving and driving at night with red plates.  The rest I guess is up in the air as of now (leaving scene of an accident/crime).  

 

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, huberthammer said:

He getting charged for drink driving and driving at night with red plates.  The rest I guess is up in the air as of now (leaving scene of an accident/crime).  

 

And that's worth being remanded in custody without bail?

The drunk drivers I've met in Thailand usually get a night in jail and a 2,000bht fine next morning.

 

Just imagine that fight happening in a bar, and every white guy in the bar being locked up without bail. While Thais are allowed to kill policemen and still get bail.

Edited October 19, 2022 by BritManToo

[bobbin]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

OK. They got into a fight. It was the driving away, after the man hit the pavement and is clearly knocked out, or possibly dead, that is the troublesome part of all this. 

Yeah, that was a thought I had as well.. But it's not easily answered..

 

If two people are fighting and one party receives a finishing blow, do you immediately render assistance or, more likely, make yourself scarce?

 

This a very unfortunate incident.. I see the farang doing the fighting being deported, after a sizeable payment to the family.. And the farang with a Thai wife and children being allowed to also pay but be allowed to stay.. To do otherwise is to make his wife and children victims also.

[GeorgeCross]

19 hours ago, alex8912 said:

He's a little crazy. Why would a younger foreigner live with a younger Thai in Hua Hin? 

kids.

[richard_smith237]

33 minutes ago, huberthammer said:

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Have you watched the video?

 

…. it was a fight between two guys… not a savage unprovoked attack…

he didn’t stamp on his head, use a knife or glass him savagely in the face…. The Thai guy fell hitting his head badly after getting hit… very unfortunate….   But it was a fight between two guys, not a savage attack.

 

The video shows the Thai guy kicking out twice & the French man hitting & kicking him back…. 
 

What occurred before this point is not clear.

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I think you made your point. Either you just trying to antagonise everybody here with your stupid defence of the French Thug or you are are indeed one of these foreigners living here who constantly look down on the locals and behave like the master race and behave like thugs.  stop being a bell and move on from repeating the same over and over. 

My comments present no bias in highlighting the point with evidence that two people were fighting. 
 

If you think that is defending the Frenchman it is your bias which needs addressing. 
 

Nationality should not come into this issue at all…. Two guys getting into a fight. 
 

You have now brought further anti-foreigner bias into this discussion with some dumb & distorted master-race comment and suggestions that those of us who see a Thai also fighting are looking down on Thai’s….   That’s your bias again & needs calling out like the other unbalanced anti-forigner comments. 

[richard_smith237]

11 hours ago, spermwhale said:

23 hours ago, peter zwart said:

Good, put them on a plane and let them stay out of Thailand. Dont need this kind of @#^*** here.

Actually, they need to sit in a jail a few years for this violent attack. They need to be kept out of society for a while before being sent home and blacklisted.

They???   You saw two French guys attacking the Thai guy without any provocation? 
 

Did you see the video at all? 
 

It was a fight, both parties guilty of poor behaviour…  why such harsh judgement for the second French guy who did nothing ? 

The fight itself looked like a ‘tit for tat’ fair fight until the Frenchman landed a solid punch & the Thai guy fell hitting his head… it could have easily gone the other way…..

 

…. at one point the Frenchman walked away and the Thai guy reengaged into the fight, then tried to run away & the French guy landing that final punch. 
 

All I see here are two guys behaving like utter idiots fighting…  & no second French guy doing anything. 

 

 

 

[ThaSalaPaul]

18 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Does it?  Putting a man in ICU could be justified depending on how it started?   You're not really suggesting that, are you?

The reason for wanting to know of any mitigating circumstances would be for the same reason a court of law would seek to find any. If you only see the world in black & white with no shades of grey then this may be difficult to understand. In the event that hypothetically someone is killed it is imperative to know the circumstances leading up to it. Was it cold blooded?, was it in self-defence? was it in anger but accidental?, was it purely accidental (negligent)? Whilst the person who caused the death may be 100% in the wrong, each of those "mitigating" circumstances I just mentioned would result in totally different sentences being administered (sentences administered by courts being a reflection of society's view of those circumstances). Ergo mitigating circumstances are very important

I don't see that people rushing to judge others based on a limited grasp of the facts is much different to lynch mob attitudes. For me personally, the fact that a person requires hospitalisation puts the perpetrator in the wrong. The degree of "how" wrong is dependent upon the mitigating circumstances, and these we don't know. I would not like to pass judgement on either one of them without knowing the full facts 

[richard_smith237]

20 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

No, I do not understand the ongoing hatred against Thai people and the always protective reactions against foreigners either. That´s why I work opposite. After all, I am in Thailand so it just seems like the right thing to do. All who not like it, can find another place in the world. 

It’s an impossible task…. 
 

In some threads we see the foreigner doing wrong & blast him / her.

In other threads we saw a Thai doing wrong & blast him / her.

 

in this case the story has been misreported with bias from the offset heavily loading opinion against the Frenchman and painting the Thai guy as an innocent victim of an unprovoked attack. 
 

Highlighting that the Thai man is also complicit for his seemingly willing involvement in the fight as shown by the video does not present an ongoing hatred against Thai people, that’s just your profiting & bias shining through. 
 

Highlighting that the Thai man is also complicit for his seemingly willing involvement in the fight Is simply doing that… nothing more than pointing out ‘it took two to tango’….

 

Its also worth pointing out what appears to be an unbalanced response from the refusing bail when in similar & worse cases a Thai is afforded bail - perhaps the very point that foreigners present an elevated flight risk accounts for this.

[MartinL]

1 hour ago, BKKBike09 said:

Sure there's the right to self-defence. There's also 'reasonable force' and proportionality. Either party had the chance to walk away. Both parties chose not to. The French guys - for whatever reason - appear to have stopped their car in order to have a confrontation. They could have just driven on.

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The French bloke tried to walk away but wasn't allowed to, according to the video I've seen. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by MartinL

[richard_smith237]

40 minutes ago, huberthammer said:

He getting charged for drink driving and driving at night with red plates.  The rest I guess is up in the air as of now (leaving scene of an accident/crime).  

 

Was the Frenchman getting charged for DUI ?
 

The report suggests they couldn’t as he was drinking later when they found him so couldn’t test him.

What about the second French man? What crime dud he commit ? Or was he the fighter?

 

Driving at night with red plates ? Is there actually a written law on that ?….. I’ve always understood it to be a myth….  Same as leaving the province….  The only regulation I know if is that the brown book must be filled in for the journey. 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, MartinL said:

The French bloke tried to walk away ... twice .... but wasn't allowed to, according to the video I've seen.

Both reengaged the fight when they could have walked away. 

[MartinL]

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Both reengaged the fight when they could have walked away. 

I agree but ...

 

Thai bloke went down and got up again. French bloke started to turn his back on the Thai, appearing to walk away after being blocked by bystanders but Thai bloke piled in again which led to the head injury. When the Thai was down a second time, Frenchie seemed to back away again, at which point the video ends.

 

To me it appears the Thai fella 'reengaged' to a much greater extent than the Frenchman.

Edited October 19, 2022 by MartinL

[Gottfrid]

40 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It’s an impossible task…. 
 

In some threads we see the foreigner doing wrong & blast him / her.

In other threads we saw a Thai doing wrong & blast him / her.

 

in this case the story has been misreported with bias from the offset heavily loading opinion against the Frenchman and painting the Thai guy as an innocent victim of an unprovoked attack. 
 

Highlighting that the Thai man is also complicit for his seemingly willing involvement in the fight as shown by the video does not present an ongoing hatred against Thai people, that’s just your profiting & bias shining through. 
 

Highlighting that the Thai man is also complicit for his seemingly willing involvement in the fight Is simply doing that… nothing more than pointing out ‘it took two to tango’….

 

Its also worth pointing out what appears to be an unbalanced response from the refusing bail when in similar & worse cases a Thai is afforded bail - perhaps the very point that foreigners present an elevated flight risk accounts for this.

Yeah, sure Richie! I am bias and you deliver the right information. At least in your own world.

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, ThaSalaPaul said:

But that attitude results in you doing the very thing you dislike other people doing, just on the other side of the same coin. As the saying goes "2 wrongs do not make a right". Everyone deserves to be treated equally regardless of colour, creed or sexual preference. 

No, never said it make anything right. Just weighing the scales, man.

[Gottfrid]

3 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Any chance you could follow your own advice and stop making this forum so bitter? Plenty of innocent foreigners have been wronged by Thais. The French aren’t my favourites and ending up in ICU is excessive, but this case is clearly iffy. If the Thai guy attacked the farang, he’s only got himself to blame. 

Nah, that´s no chance.

[Gottfrid]

15 hours ago, Woof999 said:

You don't seem to like the number of white men allowed into Thailand. Perhaps you should look elsewhere?

 

Your posts are becoming more and more pro Thai / anti white man every day, regardless of the situation.

So, I live in Thailand. Shouldn´t I adjust and understand the way of living? I have chosen to live in Thailand, doesn´t that mean I prefer Thai people over others. I don´t know what reason you have, but maybe i was noble. To come and protect the falsely accused minority?

 

And, just tell me. What is wrong with being pro Thai?

Edited October 19, 2022 by Gottfrid

[richard_smith237]

16 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, sure Richie! I am bias and you deliver the right information. At least in your own world.

You just admitted to attempting to balance the scales….

 

In your view if you present a bias comment to counter an opposing bias comment believing it provides some balance !!!! 
 

It doesn’t…  it just adds another unbalanced & bias comment.

 

IF you can’t see that the Thai guy was also fighting and you are suggesting the French guy is 100% at fault - you are not balancing any scales… you’re just coming across as anti-foreigner….

 

Just as you did in another thread where your supposed ‘balance’ was anti-British.

 

Your views which you claim offer balance clearly originate from a mind with an underlying agenda. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by richard_smith237

[Gottfrid]

16 hours ago, Birdseye said:

What a stupid response. None of us have any idea of the precursors yet you in your infinite wisdom have decided to be judge and jury. Deport anyone who defends the " bad people " You cannot believe some of the tripe that is posted here 

I guess it´s a matter of opinion, right?

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

So, I live in Thailand. Shouldn´t I adjust and understand the way of living? I have chosen to live in Thailand, doesn´t that mean I prefer Thai people over others. I don´t know what reason you have, but maybe i was noble. To come and protect the falsely accused minority?

 

And, just tell me. What is wrong with being pro Thai?

The Thai guy was also fighting, you levied all blame at the Frenchman & have ignored the video evidence. 
 

I understand you want to apply balance and present a non-distorted opinion to counter what you believe are anti-Thai comments…. But, identifying that the media report leads with a false bias is not anti-Thai…   the Thai guy was also fighting - that is the balance. 

[Gottfrid]

17 hours ago, Kinok Powell said:

Now now,at it again i see Mr Angry.Get off that high horse.You might like it down here with the rest of us.

I doubt that.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

I guess it´s a matter of opinion, right?

Yes… and you have been called out for your bias, unhinged, unbalance anti-Foreigner opinion….  

[Gottfrid]

20 hours ago, BritScot said:

What an attitude! Very short memories of tourists being beaten to a pulp by gangs of Thai men and yes old western men and women just walking down the road set on and ending up in icu. Very bitter.

Yes, I remember that. I also remember how all members here was screaming about how bad the Thais who did that was. Now it´s foreigner putting a Thai in ICU, and then most out in force with little protective comments. You see the point there?

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

So, I live in Thailand. Shouldn´t I adjust and understand the way of living? I have chosen to live in Thailand, doesn´t that mean I prefer Thai people over others. I don´t know what reason you have, but maybe i was noble. To come and protect the falsely accused minority?

 

And, just tell me. What is wrong with being pro Thai?

I also chose to live in Thailand, but I don't much like Thais at all.

Come to think of it, I don't like Europeans either.

Are you German by any chance?

Edited October 19, 2022 by BritManToo

[Gottfrid]

21 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Just watch the video with an open mind. 
 

Do you see the Thai guy kicking out at the French guy ? 

Yes, and for that he deserves to be incredibly beaten up, in your opinion.

[Gottfrid]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes… and you have been called out for your bias, unhinged, unbalance anti-Foreigner opinion….  

 

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The Thai guy was also fighting, you levied all blame at the Frenchman & have ignored the video evidence. 
 

I understand you want to apply balance and present a non-distorted opinion to counter what you believe are anti-Thai comments…. But, identifying that the media report leads with a false bias is not anti-Thai…   the Thai guy was also fighting - that is the balance. 

 

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You just admitted to attempting to balance the scales….

 

In your view if you present a bias comment to counter an opposing bias comment believing it provides some balance !!!! 
 

It doesn’t…  it just adds another unbalanced & bias comment.

 

IF you can’t see that the Thai guy was also fighting and you are suggesting the French guy is 100% at fault - you are not balancing any scales… you’re just coming across as anti-foreigner….

 

Just as you did in another thread where your supposed ‘balance’ was anti-British.

 

Your views which you claim offer balance clearly originate from a mind with an underlying agenda. 

Better to sum it up, as you move on every comment. This time it´s easy. You justify a person kicking out at someone, with beaten them senseless.  I still vote for deportation. After 1-2 years in Thai jail. Will do them really good. Now I am tired with this thread. Bye Bye!

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, and for that he deserves to be incredibly beaten up, in your opinion.

No…. Those are your words, your projection, your misunderstanding….

 

No one deserved this… but he wasn’t incredibly ‘beaten up’ - he was punched, fell and landed very badly… not stomped all over in a vicious attack, it was a ‘tit for tat, handbags a dawn’ fight….. 

 

The Frenchman wholly in the wrong for fighting, the Thai guy also wholly in the wrong for fighting….  

Both complicit and to blame for in any injuries they receive as both were clearly willing participants in a fight. 
 

The outcome is tragic & I hope the Thai man recovers. 

 

 

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Now I am tired with this thread. Bye Bye!

Thank Gott!

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

 

 

Better to sum it up, as you move on every comment. This time it´s easy. You justify a person kicking out at someone, with beaten them senseless.  I still vote for deportation. After 1-2 years in Thai jail. Will do them really good. Now I am tired with this thread. Bye Bye!

You can go back to trilling the others thread with anti-British comments….

 

But, before you do….

Do you think the Frenchman should receive a more severe penalty than a Thai guy would under similar circumstances???? 

[MartinL]

18 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, and for that he deserves to be incredibly beaten up, in your opinion.

In my video, two punches and a half-hearted kick from the Frenchman don't constitute "incredibly beaten up". The Thai bloke fell badly - that's as much his fault as the Frenchman's, maybe more - which was more responsible for his injury than Frenchie's punch. 

 

BTW, the news report on Channel 3 showed the Frenchman on the floor at the beginning of the video so it's not as though it was an unmatched fight.

Edited October 19, 2022 by MartinL

[PJ71]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

are we suddenly believing everything we read or are told ? 

Most Thais seem to - lol