Biden suggests voting for Republicans is a threat to democracy

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

 Mind putting forth the case as to why sticking with the doddering gent currently occupying the White House is a better option?

For the very good reason that the next in line should never be allowed to be president, IMO.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

For the very good reason that the next in line should never be allowed to be president, IMO.

Never?

 

She was voted in as his running mate in free fair and, above all else, legitimate elections.
 

Why should the choice of the people be deemed unacceptable?

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

climate - name one thing that Trump accomplished in his 4 years that helped in the climate change battle? Nothing? Well that's because he did his level best to deny, deflect and overturn policies that could have helped:- 

 

'During his campaign in 2016, Trump had already announced his skepticism of climate change. After he took office in 2017, his administration made decision after decision that slowed or deprioritized climate action. It rolled back policies that helped mitigate warming, relaxed regulations for climate polluters, approved the Keystone XL pipeline, left the Paris Agreement, and more. 

As you so correctly point out, Trump, like many, apparently doesn't think we can actually do anything about it that is affordable, acceptable, and effective, so why on earth do you make an issue out of him not doing anything about it? You think he should have done something about something he didn't believe in?

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

For the very good reason that the next in line should never be allowed to be president, IMO.

Damn, you maybe just got me there.... she is the best Presidential insurance policy since Dan Quayle. 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Never?

 

She was voted in as his running mate in free fair and, above all else, legitimate elections.
 

Why should the choice of the people be deemed unacceptable?

Tell me if I'm wrong, but people only get one vote for BOTH POTUS and Vice POTUS.

They certainly didn't vote for her in the primaries.

[Hanaguma]

7 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

 

7 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

In fact I challenged one of them to provide links to his post about Biden's list of supposed "lies", but he has failed to produce any – – I wonder why????

Because most of them are common knowledge. You don't need to post links to prove that water is wet. 

 

But because I am a nice guy here are just a couple...

 

Biden, when others were fighting in Vietnam, got 5 medical deferments for asthma when he was a university student, which made him ineligible for the draft and military service. Even though he was a lifeguard and a football player...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/16/fact-check-biden-received-multiple-draft-deferments-vietnam/5809482002/

 

Biden plagiarized British politician Neik Kinnock, which effectively killed his original presidential aspirations in the 1988 campaign..

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-copy-that-joe-bidens-long-record-plagiarism

 

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Hanaguma

[Bluespunk]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Tell me if I'm wrong, but people only get one vote for BOTH POTUS and Vice POTUS.

They certainly didn't vote for her in the primaries.

Yet she was voted in on the ticket in legitimate elections and to deny that democratic choice is anti democratic. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Bluespunk

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

 

Because most of them are common knowledge. You don't need to post links to prove that water is wet. 

 

But because I am a nice guy here are just a couple...

 

Biden, when others were fighting in Vietnam, got 5 medical deferments for asthma when he was a university student, which made him ineligible for the draft and military service. Even though he was a lifeguard and a football player...

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/16/fact-check-biden-received-multiple-draft-deferments-vietnam/5809482002/

 

Biden plagiarized British politician Neik Kinnock, which effectively killed his original presidential aspirations in the 1988 campaign..

 

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-copy-that-joe-bidens-long-record-plagiarism

 

 

Asthma usually doesn't prevent someone from being physically active, in fact physical activity is encouraged.  It can still make a person unfit for military service.

 

Plagiarizing is both wrong and stupid, yet it is trivial compared to the Trump University scam and all the people harmed in Trump's many bankruptcies.

 

I'm not a fan of Biden; I didn't want him or any of the other over-70 candidates to run in 2020.  I hope none of them run in 2024.  However for all Biden's problems he is still a huge improvement over the corrupt, undemocratic, hazard to national security that is Trump.

 

 

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Asthma usually doesn't prevent someone from being physically active, in fact physical activity is encouraged.  It can still make a person unfit for military service.

 

Plagiarizing is both wrong and stupid, yet it is trivial compared to the Trump University scam and all the people harmed in Trump's many bankruptcies.

 

I'm not a fan of Biden; I didn't want him or any of the other over-70 candidates to run in 2020.  I hope none of them run in 2024.  However for all Biden's problems he is still a huge improvement over the corrupt, undemocratic, hazard to national security that is Trump.

 

 

Sorry, this isn't the place for a "but Trump...." moment. I was just giving facts to another gent. 

[candide]

15 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Sorry, this isn't the place for a "but Trump...." moment. I was just giving facts to another gent. 

It's a thread about reasons for not voting for Republicans, not about reasons for not voting for Biden. ????

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Sorry, this isn't the place for a "but Trump...." moment. I was just giving facts to another gent. 

This is a place to discuss the merits of Biden's claim that the Republicans are a threat to democracy.  Since the Republican Party is now the Trump Party, and he has been undermining democratic elections since he started his claims of a rigged election in 2016, this is definitely the place for a "but Trump...".

[candide]

Trump did not ask them 

We've been told in this thread that Trump asked his fans to be peaceful and not assault the Capitol. However, he now wants the people who disobeyed him to be released.

 

Knowing the Donald, he's not the kind of guy who likes to be disobeyed! Or does he think they actually did not disobey him and deserve to be rewarded for it? ????

Donald Trump calls for the release of hundreds of his supporters arrested in connection with the January 6 Capitol riot

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-calls-release-hundreds-133313979.html

Edited November 5, 2022 by candide

[Saanim]

Is it really true that the president said that?

 

He is the leader of a party that has the democracy in its name.   And the democracy is a free choice and a free vote , isn't it? But if you want to vote for the other, that's a threat to democracy. Didn't he meant the threat to the D party?

 

Anyway, it seems it's placing some principles upside down.   Or all is a misinformation? Something like some other recent issues excitedly discussed...  

 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Is it really true that the president said that?

 

He is the leader of a party that has the democracy in its name.   And the democracy is a free choice and a free vote , isn't it? But if you want to vote for the other, that's a threat to democracy. Didn't he meant the threat to the D party?

 

Anyway, it seems it's placing some principles upside down.   Or all is a misinformation? Something like some other recent issues excitedly discussed...  

 

MAGA is for murdering democracy. So voting for MAGA is pro fascist, anti democracy, anti constitution, and indeed anti American. 

[Hanaguma]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

MAGA is for murdering democracy. So voting for MAGA is pro fascist, anti democracy, anti constitution, and indeed anti American. 

I think I wrote something before about hyperbole and hyperventilating...

 

There IS some irony in the President saying that the only way to preserve democracy is to vote for one party alone. But considering he started his campaign for president in 2020 with a bit of misinformation about threats to democracy, it isn't surprising.  

[Eric Loh]

36 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Is it really true that the president said that?

 

He is the leader of a party that has the democracy in its name.   And the democracy is a free choice and a free vote , isn't it? But if you want to vote for the other, that's a threat to democracy. Didn't he meant the threat to the D party?

 

Anyway, it seems it's placing some principles upside down.   Or all is a misinformation? Something like some other recent issues excitedly discussed...  

 

Many conservatives hope that the Republican Party would snap back to be a normal party of old after Trump. It didn’t happen and has become more radicalized. The Maga Republicans are displaying growing fanaticism and embracing blatant Trump’s election lies. The party is now center around nativism and white identity politics which is shared by many extremist groups. Republican Party is throughly infected with many who sympathize with the insurrection. Republican Party is not the old party but a party that is willing to support an authoritarian narcissistic law breaker who care more for himself than the rule of law, democracy and the country. Biden is right in calling voters not to vote for Maga Republican Party.

[candide]

52 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Is it really true that the president said that?

 

He is the leader of a party that has the democracy in its name.   And the democracy is a free choice and a free vote , isn't it? But if you want to vote for the other, that's a threat to democracy. Didn't he meant the threat to the D party?

 

Anyway, it seems it's placing some principles upside down.   Or all is a misinformation? Something like some other recent issues excitedly discussed...  

 

Really shocking! A politician inciting people not to vote for his opponents!

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Many conservatives hope that the Republican Party would snap back to be a normal party of old after Trump. It didn’t happen and has become more radicalized. The Maga Republicans are displaying growing fanaticism and embracing blatant Trump’s election lies. The party is now center around nativism and white identity politics which is shared by many extremist groups. Republican Party is throughly infected with many who sympathize with the insurrection. Republican Party is not the old party but a party that is willing to support an authoritarian narcissistic law breaker who care more for himself than the rule of law, democracy and the country. Biden is right in calling voters not to vote for Maga Republican Party.

Seems that both Biden and yourself will be "disappointed" in about 3 days US time. At the least I certainly hope the GOP will take the house and stop Biden's agenda dead in it's tracks. The senate as well would be better, but that's a toss up at the moment.

So lets see if the GOP are actually as bad as you and others claim.

[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I think I wrote something before about hyperbole and hyperventilating...

 

There IS some irony in the President saying that the only way to preserve democracy is to vote for one party alone. But considering he started his campaign for president in 2020 with a bit of misinformation about threats to democracy, it isn't surprising.  

Reading a Trump supporter accusing Biden, or anyone else, of hyperbole is hilarious.

 

Trump has been undermining democracy since he claimed the 2016 election would be rigged long before the vote, and he has been spreading lies, widely accepted within the Republican party, of voter fraud and stolen elections ever since.  Of course that makes the Republican party a threat to democracy; destroy faith in elections and you destroy democracy.  Biden was just stating the obvious.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 minutes ago, candide said:

Really shocking! A politician inciting people not to vote for his opponents!

It's the fear mongering that is the problem, not the asking folk to vote Democrat that is the problem.

Going to be interesting if the GOP take the house and Biden has to deal with people he has demonized. He may come to regret those words.

[heybruce]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

It's the fear mongering that is the problem, not the asking folk to vote Democrat that is the problem.

Going to be interesting if the GOP take the house and Biden has to deal with people he has demonized. He may come to regret those words.

Fear mongering?  Like claiming illegal immigration is a threat to US identity?  Of course it was never a big enough threat to take serious action against those who hired illegal immigrants.

[OneMoreFarang]

About 70 million American voters votes for Trump, twice.

What does that tell us about their intelligence and state of mind?

Most people like that don't care about facts and truth - if they understand that concept at all. 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

About 70 million American voters votes for Trump, twice.

What does that tell us about their intelligence and state of mind?

Most people like that don't care about facts and truth - if they understand that concept at all. 

It tells us that logic, reason and facts have been overtaken with a belief system based on one man only. He knows that and works them well. The majority of his supporters are also supporters of some of the most wild conspiracy theories promoted by QAnon. Supporters claim President Trump is defending the planet from a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles (consisting mostly of Hollywood celebrities, liberal politicians and "deep-state" government officials) who are running a secret child sex-trafficking ring.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/02/majority-of-republicans-believe-the-qanon-conspiracy-theory-is-partly-or-mostly-true-survey-finds/?sh=b290f925231d

 

 

 

 

[metisdead]

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 hours ago, candide said:

Trump did not ask them 

We've been told in this thread that Trump asked his fans to be peaceful and not assault the Capitol. However, he now wants the people who disobeyed him to be released.

 

Knowing the Donald, he's not the kind of guy who likes to be disobeyed! Or does he think they actually did not disobey him and deserve to be rewarded for it? ????

Donald Trump calls for the release of hundreds of his supporters arrested in connection with the January 6 Capitol riot

https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-calls-release-hundreds-133313979.html

 

Hahahaha!!!!

 

MAGA Republican Trump is SOFT on crime and criminals.... especially when his kind are the insurrectionist criminals!

 

It's gonna make a GREAT campaign commercial on TV one of these days....

 

Maybe we need to build a big wall around the U.S. Capitol to protect it against the insurrectionists!

 

[onthedarkside]

A series of off-topic posts on the extent to which Biden or Trump have lied on various issues has been removed, along with another derogatory name calling post.

 

The topic here is -- Biden suggests voting for Republicans is a threat to democracy

 

Please stay ON TOPIC.

 

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that both Biden and yourself will be "disappointed" in about 3 days US time.

It must be great having a crystal ball.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

I think I wrote something before about hyperbole and hyperventilating...

 

There IS some irony in the President saying that the only way to preserve democracy is to vote for one party alone. But considering he started his campaign for president in 2020 with a bit of misinformation about threats to democracy, it isn't surprising.  

What part of a threat to democracy are you actually denying? 

Trump and many, many GOPers are openly calling all results that go against them (but not the ones they win) a fraud, a hoax, a grand master plan to keep him out of office. They consistently undermine the idea of a fair and free elections to millions of Americans. That alone constiutes a huge threat to democracy. If the people can't trust the mechanism of democracy, then democracy itself will fall.   

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

They consistently undermine the idea of a fair and free elections to millions of Americans. That alone constiutes a huge threat to democracy. If the people can't trust the mechanism of democracy, then democracy itself will fall.   

Indeed, it's been a years long anti-democracy campaign by Trump and his acolytes that began well before he was elected president, and has continued ever since.... Fostering distrust in the country's system for electing its leaders, without any basis for doing so.

 

But he's been succeeding, to the extent that a good share of Americans now are suspect of the elections system nationwide. And of course, that's what any autocrat in waiting is gonna want to see happen.

 

Americans need to wake up, and realize the Big Lie is just that, a big lie, and too many of them have been sucked into believing it.  That's exactly what Biden has been correctly warning out here -- partisan politics aside.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Jingthing]

53 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Indeed, it's been a years long anti-democracy campaign by Trump and his acolytes that began well before he was elected president, and has continued ever since.... Fostering distrust in the country's system for electing its leaders, without any basis for doing so.

 

But he's been succeeding, to the extent that a good share of Americans now are suspect of the elections system nationwide. And of course, that's what any autocrat in waiting is gonna want to see happen.

 

Americans need to wake up, and realize the Big Lie is just that, a big lie, and too many of them have been sucked into believing it.  That's exactly what Biden has been correctly warning out here -- partisan politics aside.

 

 

They may need to but they won't. Democracy is hard work to keep viable. Personally I think that collectively Americans are saying bring on a totalitarian state. We can't be bothered to do better. This will be regretted of course but then it will be too late.