Biden suggests voting for Republicans is a threat to democracy

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, banjobob said:

 

 

According to the Department of Justice, 725 people have been charged in connection with Jan 6; more than 225 have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers; 640 have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted area; 275 also face charges of obstructing, impeding or influencing an official proceeding.

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[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, scorecard said:

So that leaves the electoral processes etc., of the US in the hands of scaly charlotans who have no hesitation to tells lies, manipulate elections / vote number etc.

 

And where does that leave the intelligent and credible American people? Their country in the hands of trumps naive MAGA followers. 

 

Does that mean large numbers of intelligent, ethical, morally solid Americans will migrate to more credible countries?

Some for sure, those that can.

Younger educated people like in Russia.

Continue voluntary internal sorting between states.

I would predict blue states ignoring the MAGA minority rule fascist regime resulting in violent conflict and division / civil war of some kind leading to nobody knows.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Some for sure, those that can.

Younger educated people like in Russia.

Continue voluntary internal sorting between states.

I would predict blue states ignoring the MAGA minority rule fascist regime resulting in violent conflict and division / civil war of some kind leading to nobody knows.

Will the civil war be started after these primaries or will the civil war begin at the next election ?

[heybruce]

19 hours ago, nauseus said:

It just gets worse. Nothing about his backfiring policies, so he attacks the other half of the country instead.

 

So much for uniting America. Joe looks so desperate now. 

A large number of Republican candidates across the nation refuse to accept the validity of the 2020 election.  Accepting legitimate election results is an essential requirement for democracy to work.

 

In other words: Yes, Republicans are a threat to democracy.

19 hours ago, Myran said:

Ah, the classic and amazingly contradictory "It's only a democracy if you vote for me" retoric.

That is certainly the attitude of the current Republican Party.

[heybruce]

19 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well that kind of thinking isn't a very uniting outlook. There's no doubt there are many who still doubt the '20 results but in a true democracy, they should be allowed to do so. 

How do democrats unite with people fighting against democracy?

 

How do people who fight against democracy unite with democrats?

[heybruce]

16 hours ago, Why Me said:

Hmm. 2020 election deniers are a dire threat to our democracy. However, denying Trump won fairly in 2016 by blaming Russia and impeaching him out of spite not once but twice, was to save democracy. Makes sense.

 

Throw the hypocrites out. Though I doubt much will change in a lot of important things. Because we are a corporatocracy and Big Money tends to get its way.

Russia did interfere in the 2020 election, the impeachments were legitimate, and no one tried to prevent Trump from taking office or tried to remove him outside of legal, constitutional means.

[heybruce]

15 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Exactly. Democrats are the biggest liars and hypocrites. 4 years of lies about Russia. They rioted after Trump won. Then claim the other side are anti democracy - what a joke.

 

The sooner the Democrats get the boot the better.

 

The Democrats deserve to lose for 20 years in a row.

Once again, Russia did interfere in the 2020 election and there were links between Russia and Trump's campaign staff.

 

Also, I don't recall any "riots" following Trump's win that compared to the MAGA insurrection/riot after his loss.

[heybruce]

17 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

 

Protections in place are currently keeping voter fraud at a very low level.  None of the laws Republicans are promoting do that; they just make voting more difficult.

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[heybruce]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Not quite , they believed that the elections were not fair and that there had been some tampering with the result and they considered the election result to be un democratic .

  So in their beliefs, they were actually defending democracy .

Whether they were right or wrong is irrelevant , the point is that they were defending democracy, rather than trying to over throw it .

 

They believed the elections were not fair because they believed the lies of Trump.  They attempted to prevent the certification of a legitimate election because of the lies of Trump.  Trump is clearly a threat to democracy, and since the Republican Party is currently the Trump Party, it is a threat to democracy.

 

"Whether they were right or wrong is irrelevant..."

 

Seriously?  If a lynch mob kills the wrong person but wanted to kill the right person, is that irrelevant?  Even if the mob kills the "correct" person, should lynch mobs be allowed to operate outside the law?

 

 

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is correct , the people saying that Trump supporters didn't accept the democratic vote and the same people tried to over turn a legitimate election, make no  logical sense  at all 

People didn't accept the legitimate election result and tried to overturn it.  It not only makes logical sense, it's what happened.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

True.

IMO the result may have been the same, but questions remain unanswered about some of the things that apparently went on.

IMO the only way to lay the situation to rest is to convene a genuine bipartisan committee to investigate all the facts.

Just saying it wasn't rigged isn't enough."

"Just saying it wasn't rigged isn't enough."

 

Recounts, audits, court cases, prominent Republican election officials, the Trump appointed AG, etc., all say it wasn't rigged. 

 

What is a "genuine bipartisan commission", by which I assume you mean a commission packed with election deniers, going to uncover that hasn't already been revealed?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

People didn't accept the legitimate election result and tried to overturn it.  It not only makes logical sense, it's what happened.

Yes, but that then wouldn't by trying over turn a democratic vote , because they had the opinion that the voting was fraudulent .

   If they thought that the voting was fraudulent , then they were defending democracy by over turning a fraudulent vote 

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

 

"Whether they were right or wrong is irrelevant..."

 

Seriously?  If a lynch mob kills the wrong person but wanted to kill the right person, is that irrelevant?  Even if the mob kills the "correct" person, should lynch mobs be allowed to operate outside the law?

 

 

You misunderstood what I meant .

You took one sentence out of a paragraph and then took that sentence out of context .

   Please re read the whole paragraph and try to understand the meaning of the whole paragraph and not just one sentence taken out a paragraph (and then misunderstanding the context)

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, banjobob said:

 

Leaders of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were prosecuted under US18. USC 2384 - Seditious conspiracy. It’s a planned conspiracy to overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States, or to level war against them or by force to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law. 

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[Berkshire]

6 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

It is about mid terms not protests. Mid terms are about the economy.

 

So yes it is about inflation as a major economic factor.

If the Republicans do take the House/Senate, there's almost zero that they can do to improve the economy/inflation.  What they can do is gut social security/medicare, something they're already hinting at.

[Hanaguma]

Really? There were riots across America throughout November of 2016.  Here is a list from just one day, November 10- New York, Chicago, Washington, LA, Portland. Tens of thousands of people involved. Police injured, police cars burned, businesses looted.  

 

And it continued for weeks.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/thousands-us-protest-president-elect-donald-trump/story?id=43427653

 

https://abc7ny.com/donald-trump-protest-oakland-protests/1599932/

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but that then wouldn't by trying over turn a democratic vote , because they had the opinion that the voting was fraudulent .

   If they thought that the voting was fraudulent , then they were defending democracy by over turning a fraudulent vote 

The fact that they lived in an alternative reality created by Trump's self-serving lies does not change the fact that they tried to overturn a legitimate election and are a threat to democracy.

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You misunderstood what I meant .

You took one sentence out of a paragraph and then took that sentence out of context .

   Please re read the whole paragraph and try to understand the meaning of the whole paragraph and not just one sentence taken out a paragraph (and then misunderstanding the context)

No, I replied to your entire post without editing out any parts.  You edited my post to to provide an out of context reply. 

 

Also, my analogy is quite correct:  Trump whipped up a mob with his lies and they tried to prevent the certification of a legitimate election.  The fact that the mob believed Trump's lies does not make their actions any less criminal.  And if they had found Mike Pence they might have turned into a lynch mob.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Why Me said:

 

 

"The Senate Intelligence Committee released a bipartisan report Thursday on Russian election interference that found the U.S. election infrastructure was unprepared to combat “extensive activity” by Russia that began in 2014 and carried on at least into 2017."

"The report was issued just one day after former special counsel Robert Mueller warned U.S. lawmakers that he believes Russia will seek to interfere again in the 2020 campaign and that “many more countries” are also developing similar capabilities."  

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/senate-intelligence-report-finds-extensive-russian-election-interference-n1034736

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[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, I replied to your entire post without editing out any parts.  You edited my post to to provide an out of context reply. 

 

Also, my analogy is quite correct:  Trump whipped up a mob with his lies and they tried to prevent the certification of a legitimate election.  The fact that the mob believed Trump's lies does not make their actions any less criminal.  And if they had found Mike Pence they might have turned into a lynch mob.

You did , the cut this sentence out of a paragraph and replied to this sentence alone and also took it out on context .

 

"Whether they were right or wrong is irrelevant..."

[xylophone]

20 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

American voters are smarter than you give credit for.

A bold statement considering that 47% of Americans voted for a person who revels in lies, deceit and fraud. Then the Capitol Hill fiasco and now the attacking of Paul Pelosi make me think that there aren't too many bright people left in the US.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

A bold statement considering that 47% of Americans voted for a person who revels in lies, deceit and fraud. 

No they didn't. They voted for Trump.

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[xylophone]

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

They obviously don't agree.

So they buy into the lie – – and down the rabbit hole they go, where intelligence, clarity of thought and even common sense are non-existent. From whence spring forth such idiots as, "the Oath Keepers", "the Boogaloo boys", "the Proud Boys" and so on......a threat to the country, democracy and to mankind itself.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

What Bennie Thomas said was based on testimonies from Republicans witnesses. 

 

<deleted> voters can vent their frustration by voting in the next election and not by staging an insurrection.

 

Too early to tell whether the Dem messaging is wrong. Threat to democracy resonated by more than half of registered voters. 

Which testimonies and witnesses?

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, xylophone said:

So they buy into the lie – – and down the rabbit hole they go, where intelligence, clarity of thought and even common sense are non-existent. From whence spring forth such idiots as, "the Oath Keepers", "the Boogaloo boys", "the Proud Boys" and so on......a threat to the country, democracy and to mankind itself.

The Boogaloo boys may cause an end the man kind ?

Like, the Proud boys will be the end of the Human race ?

Will Planet Earth survive or will Planet Earth be destroyed as well or will it just be mankind that ends ?

[mikeymike100]

19 hours ago, nauseus said:

Run the country as it should be run? Laugh a minute.

 

I'm not upset but it looks like Joe is.

He will be even more upset next week!????

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

A large number of Republican candidates across the nation refuse to accept the validity of the 2020 election.  Accepting legitimate election results is an essential requirement for democracy to work.

 

In other words: Yes, Republicans are a threat to democracy.

That is certainly the attitude of the current Republican Party.

If that had been the case then there would have been a civil war already. Acceptance can mean the action of taking receipt of something, even if it is disliked. It does not mean that one necessarily has to trust or believe in it.

 

Many of us have had to accept various things that we don't like or believe in, just for the world to keep turning.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

How do democrats unite with people fighting against democracy?

 

How do people who fight against democracy unite with democrats?

The best way is trust but both sides have to earn it from the other.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Once again, Russia did interfere in the 2020 election and there were links between Russia and Trump's campaign staff.

 

Also, I don't recall any "riots" following Trump's win that compared to the MAGA insurrection/riot after his loss.

Links. Right.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

They believed the elections were not fair because they believed the lies of Trump.  They attempted to prevent the certification of a legitimate election because of the lies of Trump.  Trump is clearly a threat to democracy, and since the Republican Party is currently the Trump Party, it is a threat to democracy.

 

"Whether they were right or wrong is irrelevant..."

 

Seriously?  If a lynch mob kills the wrong person but wanted to kill the right person, is that irrelevant?  Even if the mob kills the "correct" person, should lynch mobs be allowed to operate outside the law?

 

 

How are you so sure about that?