Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Kwasaki]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I was wondering who it was who had the forum’s crystal ball.

 

Your knowledge is not in question in fact I respect your input but you need to realize what I say will and is always right.

[Mavideol]

32 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

So, you are in favour of Brexit ?

You would vote for Brexit if you had the opportunity ?

now u are completely out of your mind, that was funny, thanks 555

[candide]

1 hour ago, superal said:

The link you provided is biased , is composed by a German , a Finn and finally Simon Hix who is an associate of the European University Institute that have close links with the E.C.  What else would you expect other than support for the E.C. 

For all of its faults ( every country will have some ) the UK will recover once its re-birth and return to its own laws are complete . Times are tough and will be for a few more years but the UK will grow economically as it breathes the fresh air away from the E.C. and free from their restraints . 

The E.C. is not without problems and next year will also be tough . It sure is missing the £10 billion UK annual payments . 

Lol! Since when is being a Finn or German University professor an indicator of scientific bias? Please explain us how their methodology is biased!

They also did not invent the data they used in their analysis.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Newcastle and Sunderland have always been in a slump. 

Ok. However, they voted Brexit because they've been told it would change this situation.

[Kwasaki]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Ok. However, they voted Brexit because they've been told it would change this situation.

No they didn't. 

Immigration and being in the EU hasn't done them any good would be my analysis.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

No they didn't. 

Immigration and being in the EU hasn't done them any good would be my analysis.

Well, it seems It's getting worse....

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/north-east-set-take-hardest-24289986

[Kwasaki]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

Well, it seems It's getting worse....

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/north-east-set-take-hardest-24289986

Not surprised the on the dole mentality and work on the black is ingrained within communities.

[Bluespunk]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, things are not that simple and it seems the situation is way to difficult for you to understand .

Considering some of the comments you have made in the past on the political impasse in the 6 counties you are in no position to tell someone they do not understand the situation in those counties. 

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I think for the EU the worse is yet to come.

 

Middle of next year UK will be way out on front. 

Ah, the fabled sunny uplands. 

[Kwasaki]

31 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah, the fabled sunny uplands. 

Yeah I guess Sukhothai is like that. 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you think that Anarchy in the U.K would be a solution ?

Maybe its coming sometime ?

Where did I advocate for anarchy?

IMO it is coming if the current level of government incompetence continues, as eventually people will have had enough and just won't stand for it anymore. That's not going to work out well for anyone, but governments need to man up and do their job, even if it's unpopular. They could start with young criminals at least.

[metisdead]

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[superal]

19 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

So what laws as in 'return to it's own laws' do you think the UK will enact that will drag it out of all this?

Brexiters always quote the 'sovereignty' issue as a major reason for getting out of the EU so what exact laws will 're-birth' the UK? 

For a start the UK will no longer be flooded with foreigners , many of whom were criminals and claiming benefits for their families who were not even in the UK  but in their homelands e.g. Poland . A new law announced yesterday states that any illegal entry into that UK without a visa will result in the person being returned to their home land or sent to processing centres away from the UK  . 

Sorry to say but remainers appear to be brainwashed by the E.C. laws and have no vision of life outside of the E.C. which will improve in time .

[superal]

19 hours ago, candide said:

Lol! Since when is being a Finn or German University professor an indicator of scientific bias? Please explain us how their methodology is biased!

They also did not invent the data they used in their analysis.

All 3 are tied to the European University Institute . Not exactly rocket science to understand their bias 

[candide]

9 minutes ago, superal said:

All 3 are tied to the European University Institute . Not exactly rocket science to understand their bias 

So what? Are you just assessing the validity of a study by face value?

There is no flaw in their methodology. They also did not invent the data. They used the YouGov poll data.

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, superal said:

For a start the UK will no longer be flooded with foreigners , many of whom were criminals and claiming benefits for their families who were not even in the UK  but in their homelands e.g. Poland . A new law announced yesterday states that any illegal entry into that UK without a visa will result in the person being returned to their home land or sent to processing centres away from the UK  . 

Sorry to say but remainers appear to be brainwashed by the E.C. laws and have no vision of life outside of the E.C. which will improve in time .

I guess you haven't be reading/seeing the news lately 555

The UK is struggling to manage illegal immigration too

https://serpajamericalatina.org/the-uk-is-struggling-to-manage-illegal-immigration-too.html

 

[kwilco]

22 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Aren't you supposed to provide a link if you copy and paste a news report from the media ?

   A websearch shows that a newspaper wrote that 

Says in the opening line where its from.

 

All of the polls now show that a clear majority of people in the UK think Brexit was a mistake – mostly around 54% think it was a mistake and 32% think it was a good idea and the ret just don’t know (or can’t bring themselves to admit it) 

[Mac Mickmanus]

On 12/14/2022 at 4:06 AM, Kwasaki said:

It's the EU boarder thing with Ireland i don't understand how can a line in the sea cause so much trouble, move the flogging boarder line, can't be that difficult. 

The U.K have had some disagreements with Ireland/Eire about Northern Ireland in the past and as a solution to the trouble , a soft border was made between the two Countries , like an open border .

   Now that the U.K have left the E.U , the E.U require there to be a hard border between the two , which interferes with the UK/Eire open border agreement  .

 

[Bluespunk]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K have had some disagreements with Ireland/Eire about Northern Ireland in the past and as a solution to the trouble , a soft border was made between the two Countries , like an open border .

   Now that the U.K have left the E.U , the E.U require there to be a hard border between the two , which interferes with the UK/Eire open border agreement  .

 

The border issue is intrinsically linked to the Good Friday Agreement. There cannot be a hard border between the 6 counties and Eire if peace and stability is to be maintained. 

[kwilco]

The government's own fiscal body, the OBR has stated that Brexit has reduced UK's GDP by 4%....which is on top of the problems facing the rest of Europe.

 

on top of this the UK's ability to recovered is hampered by the damage Brexit has done to trade that no amount of deals around the world can replace.

The Office for Budget Responsibility’s (OBR) economic and fiscal outlook, published alongside the government’s autumn statement, forecast that Brexit “will result in the U.K.’s trade intensity being 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the U.K. had remained in the EU.” [OBR].

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, superal said:

A new law announced yesterday states that any illegal entry into that UK without a visa will result in the person being returned to their home land or sent to processing centres away from the UK  . 

That's excellent news.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K have had some disagreements with Ireland/Eire about Northern Ireland in the past and as a solution to the trouble , a soft border was made between the two Countries , like an open border .

   Now that the U.K have left the E.U , the E.U require there to be a hard border between the two , which interferes with the UK/Eire open border agreement  .

 

The EU may require it but having traveled the back roads IMO unless they build a wall and man it it's not going to happen.

In any event, who is going to pay for it? Can't see Britain doing so.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, kwilco said:

Says in the opening line where its from.

 

All of the polls now show that a clear majority of people in the UK think Brexit was a mistake – mostly around 54% think it was a mistake and 32% think it was a good idea and the ret just don’t know (or can’t bring themselves to admit it) 

Still banging that drum I see. Not going to change it back, LOL.

[Bluespunk]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The EU may require it but having traveled the back roads IMO unless they build a wall and man it it's not going to happen.

In any event, who is going to pay for it? Can't see Britain doing so.

There can be no hard border between the missing 6 counties and Eire if peace is to be maintained on the island. 

[Bluespunk]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Still banging that drum I see. Not going to change it back, LOL.

Yeah, how dare the poster keep pointing out facts. 

[superal]

3 hours ago, kwilco said:

The government's own fiscal body, the OBR has stated that Brexit has reduced UK's GDP by 4%....which is on top of the problems facing the rest of Europe.

 

on top of this the UK's ability to recovered is hampered by the damage Brexit has done to trade that no amount of deals around the world can replace.

The Office for Budget Responsibility’s (OBR) economic and fiscal outlook, published alongside the government’s autumn statement, forecast that Brexit “will result in the U.K.’s trade intensity being 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the U.K. had remained in the EU.” [OBR].

There is no doubt that the UK trade with the E.U has been reduced by Brexit . However much of the loss of trade comes from low profit trading that became nonviable because of the red tape and delays introduced by French customs that made perishable goods , to be exported from the UK , a high risk venture and thus the cessation of a large percentage of this business . 

Also do not forget to factor in the UK contribution of £17 billion , net £12.6 billion to the E.U. ( year 2020) which has now ceased . UK trade to the E.U does continue despite Brexit albeit in a tedious fashion . The UK were the third highest contributor to the E.U. funding and the loss of this revenue has been covered by Germany , Holland and France  after some squabbling . The E.U. budget is expected to triple by 2027 which is a concern for the main contributors .

As I mentioned in an earlier post , the UK divorce from the E.U.  has overtones of " A woman scorned "

[Kwasaki]

11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K have had some disagreements with Ireland/Eire about Northern Ireland in the past and as a solution to the trouble , a soft border was made between the two Countries , like an open border .

   Now that the U.K have left the E.U , the E.U require there to be a hard border between the two , which interferes with the UK/Eire open border agreement  .

 

So when I say to people that the EU is being hardline and just bloody mined over what the Irish people want in not letting a soft border remain, I'm told no your wrong, so why don't the Irish tell the EU to bog off. 

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Excellent article in The Economist about the decline of the UK in relation to comparable countries:

 

Britain’s economic record since 2007 ranks near the bottom among peer countries
Many Western countries have had a rough time of it. But Britain has some specific maladies

 

Shortly after becoming prime minister in 2007, Gordon Brown crowed that Britain had enjoyed “the longest uninterrupted period of economic growth in the history of our country”. In polling by Gallup that year, with the global financial crisis about to begin, 53% of respondents said that their lives were improving. This year just 28% agreed that life was getting better.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/12/15/britains-economic-record-since-2007-ranks-near-the-bottom-among-peer-countries

 

You can get 3 free articles per month simply by registering with the Economist.

[josephbloggs]

11 minutes ago, superal said:

There is no doubt that the UK trade with the E.U has been reduced by Brexit . However much of the loss of trade comes from low profit trading that became nonviable because of the red tape and delays introduced by French customs that made perishable goods , to be exported from the UK , a high risk venture and thus the cessation of a large percentage of this business . 

Ah right, of course, it is France's fault!! Nothing to do with us.

 

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The E.U. budget is expected to triple by 2027 which is a concern for the main contributors .

Link?

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22 minutes ago, superal said:

There is no doubt that the UK trade with the E.U has been reduced by Brexit . However much of the loss of trade comes from low profit trading that became nonviable because of the red tape and delays introduced by French customs that made perishable goods , to be exported from the UK , a high risk venture and thus the cessation of a large percentage of this business . 

Also do not forget to factor in the UK contribution of £17 billion , net £12.6 billion to the E.U. ( year 2020) which has now ceased . UK trade to the E.U does continue despite Brexit albeit in a tedious fashion . The UK were the third highest contributor to the E.U. funding and the loss of this revenue has been covered by Germany , Holland and France  after some squabbling . The E.U. budget is expected to triple by 2027 which is a concern for the main contributors .

As I mentioned in an earlier post , the UK divorce from the E.U.  has overtones of " A woman scorned "

I remember when supporters of Brexit were gloating over how difficult it was going to be to make up for the loss of the UK's contribution to the EU. Actually, it's a tiny fraction of the GDP of these 3 nations.