If you are near 80 or over

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. Had I done that I'd be in handcuffs for the remainder of the flight. The flight attendants had no idea as he wasn't behaving badly in a physical way, and it was what he said to me that worried me.

 

BTW, ever actually hit someone in the face? Likely to cause damage to your hand doing that. It's only in movies that such works.

OK fair enough, but by using the word nutter, you gave the impression that you felt threatened, now you say it was only what he said. I certainly would not hit anyone on a plane just for what he said. Why do you think the flight attendants stand at the door watching everyone as they board the plane, they are weighing everyone up as they enter. 

I was trained how to hit properly and use my fists, so I would not be damaging my hand.

Could you explain roughly what he said to you that had you worried? If he was such a nutter, why did you not have a word with one of the flight attendants?

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, HuskerDo2 said:

Sometimes the truth hurts. Deal with it.

Hard work to be the truth ambassador? Even there is possible to say what you think, you are not obligated to do, and at the same time prove your cynical side of you. I bet you have lovely friends who admire you for your earnestness! 
 

 

[jerrymahoney]

Now early 70's. One way I choose to acclimate myself to my eventual demise is to read the NY Times obituary section.

 

Stories about famous people and often people I've never heard of with fascinating life stories.

[Old Croc]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. Had I done that I'd be in handcuffs for the remainder of the flight. The flight attendants had no idea as he wasn't behaving badly in a physical way, and it was what he said to me that worried me.

 

BTW, ever actually hit someone in the face? Likely to cause damage to your hand doing that. It's only in movies that such works.

The cranium is designed to protect the most important organ in the body. It can be like hitting a brick wall.

 

 

 

(I saw that same YT!)

[Old Croc]

8 hours ago, cdemundo said:

If that were true the meme would be still be pointless.

Just the meme, or the pointless discussion you instigated because of you're (!) obsession? 

[Moonlover]

On 11/25/2022 at 10:29 PM, Lacessit said:

On 11/25/2022 at 10:25 PM, stoner said:

with modern medicine and treatments there is no reason a decently healthy 80 year old can't live and feel like a late 50's or early 60 year old.

 

On 11/25/2022 at 10:29 PM, Lacessit said:

Actually, I have found I am better off without modern medicines unless absolutely necessary. Many are quite toxic to the kidneys and liver.

If you believe that @stoner you should read this article in the Guardian. I'm with @Lacessit on this one. The natural ways to good health are the best ways. I'm 76 now and still in good health and I never need to consult a doctor. Nor would I ever take out medical insurance. (not that I could now anyway)

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

If you believe that @stoner you should read this article in the Guardian. I'm with @Lacessit on this one. The natural ways to good health are the best ways. I'm 76 now and still in good health and I never need to consult a doctor. Nor would I ever take out medical insurance. (not that I could now anyway)

It all about genes, and you obviously on the better 10-15% or so of the population who never need medication or see the dr now and then. However, most who is on  medication, is because of lifestyle issues, not necessery bad genes only, but good genes is always the result of good health. 

https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/older-people’s-health-issues/aging-and-medications/aging-and-medications

[jerrymahoney]

29 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

The natural ways to good health are the best ways

Right. Just ask Steve Jobs.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Health_problems

[Rimmer]

Multiple spelling police posts that hijacked the topic have been removed

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It all about genes, and you obviously on the better 10-15% or so of the population who never need medication or see the dr now and then. However, most who is on  medication, is because of lifestyle issues, not necessery bad genes only, but good genes is always the result of good health. 

https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/older-people’s-health-issues/aging-and-medications/aging-and-medications

IMO you have it a**backwards. Good health  results from good genes, or a disciplined approach. I don't know if there is any data to support the proposition good health creates good genes.

My parents both lived to age 83, despite doing their best to kill themselves with cigarettes and alcohol for most of their lives.

I gave up smoking in 1983, and have never been a prolific drinker. Nowadays, it's one Sangsom and Coke once or twice a week. Maybe one glass of red wine once a month.

I don't know if I will live longer than they did. I do know I am more physically and mentally fit than they ever were, so I'll just have to wait and see.

Bad genes do not necessarily mean one is going to die young, it just means the person would be well advised to be aware of said gene, and tailor their diet and exercise patterns accordingly.

I had a friend who thought he was going to live into his 90's, because all his relatives were living that long. Melanoma got him at age 72, presumably he did not take adequate precautions against sun damage. He did have northern European ancestry, noted for being particularly vulnerable to skin cancers.

[BigStar]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It all about genes

No. BTW, this #1 in the What, Me Worry? category of awesome ANF Poster Longevity Science:

 

What, me worry? I: The Genes

 

It’s all me genes. Git nekkid!

 

But

 

. . . high physical exercise cohort compared with community controls over more than 20 years showed that disability at age 80 years had been postponed by nearly 16 years while mortality had been postponed about 7 years in the exercise cohort as opposed to controls. A similar study . . . followed from age 69 to almost 90 years of age. The zero initial risk factor cohort postponed morbidity by 10 years and mortality by 3.3 years compared to high risk. The differences increased over time, occurred in all subgroups, and persisted after statistical adjustment.
     --“On the Compression of Morbidity: From 1980 to 2015 and Beyond.” Handbook of the Biology of Aging, Jan. 2016, pp. 507–24. www.sciencedirect.com, doi:10.1016/B978-0-12-411596-5.00019-8.

 

Compared to control animals showing a median survival time of 6.4 years, CR extended survival by 50%, reduced aging-associated diseases and preserved loss of brain white matter in several brain regions. However, CR accelerated loss of gray matter throughout much of the cerebrum. Up to five years of treatment, CR did not change the cognitive status in spatial and working memory tests or neuromuscular performances.
     --https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6420603/
    
Human longevity seems more consistently linked to insulin sensitivity than to IGF-1 levels, and the effects of IGF-1 on human longevity are confounded by its inverse proportionality to insulin sensitivity (Vitale, Pellegrino, Vollery, & Hofland, 2019).
     --Fahy, Gregory M., et al. “Reversal of Epigenetic Aging and Immunosenescent Trends in Humans.” Aging Cell, vol. 18, no. 6, 2019, p. e13028. Wiley Online Library, doi:10.1111/acel.13028.

It’s a mystery why our Genetics Voodoo Believers bother themselves seeing docs and gobbling all those meds. Should do no good. Why try to fight the Voodoo? Save yourself lots of time, bother, and money. So hypocritical, no?

Mark Baker's advice:

. . make sure you keep healthy, because health is your supreme asset. If you’re ill your life is f**ked. Most people don’t become ill for no reason; it’s the consequence of being a w.a.nker, not caring about their physical condition or what they eat. Your life is f**ked anyway because you’re going to die; but don’t accelerate the d.a.mn process! Leave that to the morons who blame their genetics or hormones for their illnesses. Keep strong, build muscle, face physical tests and challenges.
     --Gang Fit (Part 2)

 

24 minutes ago, Hummin said:

you obviously on the better 10-15% or so of the population who never need medication or see the dr now and then.

But "genes" as a cause is an illogical conclusion, since he specifically cited an article recommending a healthy lifestyle to preclude the need for all docs & meds.

 

27 minutes ago, Hummin said:

However, most who is on  medication, is because of lifestyle issues, not necessery bad genes only

Exactly, very few have those "bad genes" but merely blame them. Hold that thought . . . hold . . . no, wait! Wait!

 

28 minutes ago, Hummin said:

good genes is always the result of good health. 

Too late. No, good health doesn't alter your genes. True, centenarians are blessed with genes that confer a certain immunity from the usual baddies (to use shorthand) and so delay the onset of chronic disease. Nobody here knows they have those genes, and it's practically a certainty they don't, or even the superlative genes of The Relative. I'm not counting on them; it'd be foolish to do so. 

 

So the point of a healthy lifestyle is similarly to delay the onset, as much as possible, of chronic disease through behavior that compensates for lack of that immunity: consciously and purposefully avoiding the baddies and limiting their impact as much as possible manually, so to speak.

 

[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO you have it a**backwards. Good health  results from good genes, or a disciplined approach. I don't know if there is any data to support the proposition good health creates good genes.

My parents both lived to age 83, despite doing their best to kill themselves with cigarettes and alcohol for most of their lives.

I gave up smoking in 1983, and have never been a prolific drinker. Nowadays, it's one Sangsom and Coke once or twice a week. Maybe one glass of red wine once a month.

I don't know if I will live longer than they did. I do know I am more physically and mentally fit than they ever were, so I'll just have to wait and see.

Bad genes do not necessarily mean one is going to die young, it just means the person would be well advised to be aware of said gene, and tailor their diet and exercise patterns accordingly.

I had a friend who thought he was going to live into his 90's, because all his relatives were living that long. Melanoma got him at age 72, presumably he did not take adequate precautions against sun damage. He did have northern European ancestry, noted for being particularly vulnerable to skin cancers.

Explain how I got it the wrong way? I did not say healthy lifestyle creates good genes. You are born with your genes, and you might damage your health even with good genes. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Explain how I got it the wrong way? I did not say healthy lifestyle creates good genes. You are born with your genes, and you might damage your health even with good genes. 
 

 

 

 

 

Edit note I see the misunderstanding in previous post. 

[The Fugitive]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I had a friend who thought he was going to live into his 90's, because all his relatives were living that long. Melanoma got him at age 72, presumably he did not take adequate precautions against sun damage. He did have northern European ancestry, noted for being particularly vulnerable to skin cancers.

I had a work colleague/friend who frequently grew cysts on his face at the age of 16. They were cut out as they grew and usually a single stitch sufficed. Aged 32 he was diagnosed with skin cancer. Treatment proved successful for 17 years. He then had another bought but was OK for a further 10 years. Kidney cancer then developed which was successfully treated but unfortunately returned 12 months later. Aged 60 he was given between 6 months and two years to live. He managed 6 months only. As you mentioned, I suspect much damage was caused/worsened during the early days of package holidays, the guy very much enjoyed his days around the pool and on the beach in Spain and Morocco.   

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, The Fugitive said:

I had a work colleague/friend who frequently grew cysts on his face at the age of 16. They were cut out as they grew and usually a single stitch sufficed. Aged 32 he was diagnosed with skin cancer. Treatment proved successful for 17 years. He then had another bought but was OK for a further 10 years. Kidney cancer then developed which was successfully treated but unfortunately returned 12 months later. Aged 60 he was given between 6 months and two years to live. He managed 6 months only. As you mentioned, I suspect much damage was caused/worsened during the early days of package holidays, the guy very much enjoyed his days around the pool and on the beach in Spain and Morocco.   

My friend actually died of a glioblastoma

( brain cancer ); however, it was the melanoma that triggered it.

[jerrymahoney]

Henry A. Kissinger:

 

Born: May 27, 1923 (age 99 years), Fürth, Germany

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by jerrymahoney

[JimmyJ]

On 11/25/2022 at 10:27 PM, Lacessit said:

Omphaloskepsis is not for me, I might cark it tomorrow, or be on deck for another 10 years. No point to worrying about it.

"Omphaloskepsis...".

 

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, Batman!

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

"Omphaloskepsis...".

 

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, Batman!

Maybe you'll like this one too, I apply it to posters I have ignored:

 

Floccinaucinihilipilification

 

 

[habuspasha]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Alas, the last time I used pharmaceutical boosting it almost killed me, so had to give it up. Pity, as it had worked to give me a sex life after my prostatectomy for a number of years.

Do you mind explaining?  This sounds too important to just drop.  And did you consider an alternative?  The pharmaceuticals I referred to are Androderm, a testosterone patch (2/day) and Cialis (5mg daily).

[habuspasha]

In the previous post I seemed to join a developing debate about over reliance on chemical vs natural cures.  That was not my intention.  I agree with previous posters who press the importance of diet and exercise.  Drugs are not an alternative.  But some drugs can provide an additional boost.  One in fact that I use is metformin, prescribed for diabetes 2 which I don't have, but recommended in David Sinclair's "Lifespan:  Why we age--and why we don't have to" for life extension.

[kwilco]

Sounds like most people on this thread have already got dementia of some kind

[HuskerDo2]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

Hard work to be the truth ambassador? Even there is possible to say what you think, you are not obligated to do, and at the same time prove your cynical side of you. I bet you have lovely friends who admire you for your earnestness! 
 

 

"Hard work to be the truth ambassador?"....  No! It's quite easy. Thanks for asking!

[kwilco]

If you are over 65, the first thing you need is healthcare - whatever you think you are going to do. THis can be VERY costly especially as you get older.

The terrible thing is that Thai hospitals will only treat you for what you can afford - you could end up just wasting away in a bed until they ca dispose of you legally.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, habuspasha said:

Do you mind explaining?  This sounds too important to just drop.  And did you consider an alternative?  The pharmaceuticals I referred to are Androderm, a testosterone patch (2/day) and Cialis (5mg daily).

I'm sure that you are aware that boosters can kill if heart is dodgy. I used cialis for about 6 years with no problem, and then I thought I was going to die on my last time, so never used again. My wife also thought I was in a serious condition, as she freaked out, so I looked bad as well as felt bad.

I didn't try anything else as it was far too scary to do so.

[Celsius]

On 11/25/2022 at 8:53 AM, HuskerDo2 said:

Any day could be your last no matter what age you are. Live life to its fullest each and every day so you have no regrets later on. Some 80-year-old people are in better condition physically and mentally than some in their 50s.

Some.... Like 0.1% and none in Thailand

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Could you explain roughly what he said to you that had you worried?

Why should I? Accept what I said already or not, but why would I make it up? Up to you.

 

16 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

If he was such a nutter, why did you not have a word with one of the flight attendants?

Did I not say that I asked to move? I had to give a reason. He was by himself rest of flight so not flight attendant's problem.

What would you expect them to do?

16 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

I was trained how to hit properly and use my fists, so I would not be damaging my hand.

I'm not, and the vast majority of people flying are not, so hitting someone in the face is only something that you would do. Then you would be in handcuffs the rest of the flight.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Why do you think the flight attendants stand at the door watching everyone as they board the plane, they are weighing everyone up as they enter. 

They are there to direct the passengers to their seat. Do you think they are trained psychologists that can evaluate a person passing by in about 30 seconds?

[jerrymahoney]

 

6 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Maybe you'll like this one too, I apply it to posters I have ignored:

 

Floccinaucinihilipilification

 

 

Some people put others on ignore because they find them to be obnoxious jerks.

 

I don't put anyone on ignore because I find reading the posts of the persons that I might consider to be obnoxious jerks to be of high entertainment value.

Edited November 27, 2022 by jerrymahoney

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm sure that you are aware that boosters can kill if heart is dodgy. I used cialis for about 6 years with no problem, and then I thought I was going to die on my last time, so never used again. My wife also thought I was in a serious condition, as she freaked out, so I looked bad as well as felt bad.

I didn't try anything else as it was far too scary to do so.

Viagra and Cialis were originally developed to treat hypertension. Their use for erectile dysfunction came later.

For someone with normal blood pressure, both drugs can give rise to hypotension, symptoms include dizziness, fainting and nausea.

[NoshowJones]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are there to direct the passengers to their seat. Do you think they are trained psychologists that can evaluate a person passing by in about 30 seconds?

Next time you enter a plane for a long journey, take note of the flight attendants at the door. All though I don't know for sure, but I would bet that is part of their training watching everyone who enters.

I am not saying you are making anything up, but when you say someone is a nutter,  well.

This debate is now finished, it is not going anywhere.

Edited November 28, 2022 by NoshowJones