Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, JCauto said:

Just out of curiousity, what did you like about him as President? 

Good economy.

Low inflation

Low unemployment, especially for minorities

Moved US embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv

Abraham Accords, bringing some peace to the Middle East

Sentencing reform to make the criminal justice system more fair

Encouraging energy production

Cheap gas

Finally talking with North Korea

No new wars

Killing terrorists who needed killing, like al Bagdhadi and General Solemani (sp)

Trying to tackle illegal immigration

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Trump won in 2016 because the FBI put its thumb on the scale. After the voters realized what had happened they reversed their vote in 2020. At least those who were duped by Comey.

And this is actually what everyone seems to not understand, including the Left.

They won in 2016 BECAUSE of Comey and his egregious "error" that basically appeared to support the false claims of Trump that there were shenanigans with respect to Hilary's emails. So they were planning and hoping that the same thing would happen coming into 2020 with the Hunter Biden story as the bait to make everyone think something was up in the last minute. This is why they keep going on about that, this was the core strategy to swing the election at the last minute and they couldn't pull it off because the social media giants declined to blow the story up without government corroboration. 

This is why most Liberals are baffled by the whole Hunter Biden thing. They don't care about Hunter Biden, and don't understand why the Republicans keep talking about him. They wouldn't care at all if he was imprisoned for whatever things he may have done in his drug and alcohol binges. But they don't understand that he was critical to the entire Republican strategy to win in 2020 - they couldn't run on Donald's record (and never did, really), they always run AGAINST the other nominee; they don't care about policy and don't have any other than "p*** off the Libs" and "pay off the donors with massive tax breaks". 

[JCauto]

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Good economy.

Low inflation

Low unemployment, especially for minorities

Moved US embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv

Abraham Accords, bringing some peace to the Middle East

Sentencing reform to make the criminal justice system more fair

Encouraging energy production

Cheap gas

Finally talking with North Korea

No new wars

Killing terrorists who needed killing, like al Bagdhadi and General Solemani (sp)

Trying to tackle illegal immigration

Thanks for the reasonable reply. While I don't agree with his policies, at least you have provided a basis to do so if one has that political view.

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Good economy.

Low inflation

Low unemployment, especially for minorities

Moved US embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv

Abraham Accords, bringing some peace to the Middle East

Sentencing reform to make the criminal justice system more fair

Encouraging energy production

Cheap gas

Finally talking with North Korea

No new wars

Killing terrorists who needed killing, like al Bagdhadi and General Solemani (sp)

Trying to tackle illegal immigration

Trump had almost nothing to do with most of these things you listed.  Two of his most significant "accomplishments" were the huge corporate tax cut bill and the appointment of judges.  The tax cut bill was the work of Paul Ryan and the Republicans in the Congress, while the judges was all Mitch McConnell and the Federalist Society.  All Trump did was sign where he was told to sign.  A trained monkey can do that. 

 

One thing Trump did do well during his time in office was emboldened the racists and bigots.  He did that all on his own.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

Trump had almost nothing to do with most of these things you listed.  Two of his most significant "accomplishments" were the huge corporate tax cut bill and the appointment of judges.  The tax cut bill was the work of Paul Ryan and the Republicans in the Congress, while the judges was all Mitch McConnell and the Federalist Society.  All Trump did was sign where he was told to sign.  A trained monkey can do that. 

 

One thing Trump did do well during his time in office was emboldened the racists and bigots.  He did that all on his own.

Indeed, we won't forget that Trump abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria to Russian slaughter.

[Hanaguma]

9 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Thanks for the reasonable reply. While I don't agree with his policies, at least you have provided a basis to do so if one has that political view.

Yeah, God forbid we be reasonable! 

 

I can see why people wanted Biden in 2020 as well, to be honest.  Trump is/was exhausting.  Still, the case can be made that, without Covid, he would have won re-election.   I think the exhaustion factor, the fear of the pandemic, prompted people to choose who they thought was more experienced and more reasonable.  

[ozimoron]

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) borrowed one of Donald Trump's favorite insults to needle him on Monday after his rant declaring the Constitution of the United States be terminated so he could be president after losing in 2020.

“Well, the Republican Party is the Constitution party,” Romney told Capitol Hill reporters, the Huffington Post reported Monday. “So when he calls to suspend the Constitution, he goes from being MAGA to being RINO.”

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-constitution-romney_n_638e7f31e4b09eeedba0222f

[Hanaguma]

11 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Trump had almost nothing to do with most of these things you listed.  Two of his most significant "accomplishments" were the huge corporate tax cut bill and the appointment of judges.  The tax cut bill was the work of Paul Ryan and the Republicans in the Congress, while the judges was all Mitch McConnell and the Federalist Society.  All Trump did was sign where he was told to sign.  A trained monkey can do that. 

 

One thing Trump did do well during his time in office was emboldened the racists and bigots.  He did that all on his own.

Interesting that you said nothing about the list I provided, then went on to provide your OWN two examples- which you then proceeded to dismiss.  Ever look up "straw man" in the dictionary?

 

Plus a bit of detail on which "racists and bigots" were "emboldened" would be appreciated.  Plus, what exactly do you mean by "emboldened" and what specific impact did it have?

[ThailandRyan]

20 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Interesting that you said nothing about the list I provided, then went on to provide your OWN two examples- which you then proceeded to dismiss.  Ever look up "straw man" in the dictionary?

 

Plus a bit of detail on which "racists and bigots" were "emboldened" would be appreciated.  Plus, what exactly do you mean by "emboldened" and what specific impact did it have?

Well let's see...Oath Keepers, and the Proud Boys to start, and then the New Orleans incident and winding down with Janyary 6th...emboldened and egged on...

Edited December 6, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Trump floated a trial balloon to see what his base thought about suspending the Constitution based on his lies about election fraud.  It didn't go over as well as he hoped, so he's back-tracking.

Probably true. He is so predictable. The man is devoid of strategy further than his moods and whims. He just react to what's right in front of him. He is not playing a complicated four dimensional game of chess but more like a simple game of checkers. He is certainly not Presidential quality. US wasted 4 years under him. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Eric Loh
wrong word

[Hanaguma]

17 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Well let's see...Oath Keepers, and the Proud Boys to start, and then the New Orleans incident and winding down with Janyary 6th...emboldened and egged on...

"...and I don't mean the neo-Nazis and white supremacists. They should be condemned totally"

 

"I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence"

 

"I condemn the KKK. I condem all white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys."

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"...and I don't mean the neo-Nazis and white supremacists. They should be condemned totally"

 

"I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence"

 

"I condemn the KKK. I condem all white supremacists. I condemn the Proud Boys."

Yet Trump used them to do his dirty work and egged them on.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Good economy.

Low inflation

Low unemployment, especially for minorities

Moved US embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv

Abraham Accords, bringing some peace to the Middle East

Sentencing reform to make the criminal justice system more fair

Encouraging energy production

Cheap gas

Finally talking with North Korea

No new wars

Killing terrorists who needed killing, like al Bagdhadi and General Solemani (sp)

Trying to tackle illegal immigration

Good economy: inherited from Obama

Low inflation and cheap gas: global context was low inflation and cheap gas worldwide

Moved US embassy: increased Palestinians resentment, did not help peace

Abraham accord: these countries were not at war or conflict, avoided the main issue (Palestinians)

Sentencing reform: ok

Encourage energy production: started by Obama in 2008

Talking with North Korea: He's been manipulated by Kim

Etc...

Edited December 6, 2022 by candide

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Good economy: inherited from Obama

Low inflation and cheap gas: global context was low inflation and cheap gas worldwide

Moved US embassy: increased Palestinians resentment, did not help peace

Abraham accord: these countries were not at war or conflict, avoided the main issue (Palestinians)

Sentencing reform: ok

Encourage energy production: started by Obama in 2008

Talking with North Korea: He's been manipulated by Kim

Etc...

Great you covered most of it, here's one of the etc's..........

 

Trump was implying that he caused these low African-American and Hispanic unemployment rates.

And a big problem with that claim is that those rates had been falling for long before Trump took office, and their declines don't appear to have picked up speed. This implies that there's nothing specific that Trump did to change this rate.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/08/576552028/fact-check-trump-touts-low-unemployment-rates-for-african-americans-hispanics

[Hanaguma]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Great you covered most of it, here's one of the etc's..........

 

Trump was implying that he caused these low African-American and Hispanic unemployment rates.

And a big problem with that claim is that those rates had been falling for long before Trump took office, and their declines don't appear to have picked up speed. This implies that there's nothing specific that Trump did to change this rate.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/08/576552028/fact-check-trump-touts-low-unemployment-rates-for-african-americans-hispanics

Declines DONT pick up speed once they are approaching zero.  This is basic economics. It is easier to go from 10% unemployment to 8% (a 2% drop) than from 4% to 2% (also a 2% drop).  The recovery under Obama was slow and finally picking up a bit of steam in his last 2 years in office. Trump continued the trends and things got even better.  Ditto for energy production.  The Trump years (until covid) were GOOD years for the economy. The stock market also was rocketing upwards, making anyone who is an investor or a pension holder very happy. 

 

But there really is no reason to keep rehashing the past.  Another poster asked a question, I answered, and we had a genial exchange.  No need to allow your T D S to keep you on the attack.   

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Declines DONT pick up speed once they are approaching zero.  This is basic economics. It is easier to go from 10% unemployment to 8% (a 2% drop) than from 4% to 2% (also a 2% drop).  The recovery under Obama was slow and finally picking up a bit of steam in his last 2 years in office. Trump continued the trends and things got even better.  Ditto for energy production.  The Trump years (until covid) were GOOD years for the economy. The stock market also was rocketing upwards, making anyone who is an investor or a pension holder very happy. 

 

But there really is no reason to keep rehashing the past.  Another poster asked a question, I answered, and we had a genial exchange.  No need to allow your T D S to keep you on the attack.   

But there really is no reason to keep rehashing the past.  Another poster asked a question, I answered, and we had a genial exchange.  No need to allow your T D S to keep you on the attack. 

 

No attack just a reasonable response that adds context to Trumps claims as highlighted in the article

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Great you covered most of it, here's one of the etc's..........

 

Trump was implying that he caused these low African-American and Hispanic unemployment rates.

And a big problem with that claim is that those rates had been falling for long before Trump took office, and their declines don't appear to have picked up speed. This implies that there's nothing specific that Trump did to change this rate.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/08/576552028/fact-check-trump-touts-low-unemployment-rates-for-african-americans-hispanics

Great example and highlights one of Trump's most glaring MO: taking credit for things he had nothing to do with.

[rudi49jr]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Great example and highlights one of Trump's most glaring MO: taking credit for things he had nothing to do with.

Quite right. If memory serves, it was less than one month into his presidency that he took credit for how great the economy was doing. The man can’t say ten words without tooting his own horn. Or attacking someone who he feels slighted him. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/5/2022 at 5:44 PM, Skallywag said:

Off topic, but funny to me is when Trump announced he is running for president, no one questioned it and asked to see the filing or the names of his campaign committee and other requirements. 

Yes he did it before, but now much more difficult to get a campaign manager etc... 

None of those things are automatic.  So in reality, like his tax returns, no one has seen the paperwork he supposedly filed to begin another run for President...   He just goes on TV and announces it like he has the "right" to run again  5555

Yes, he does have a right to run, just like any American born citizen.

Are you saying that only your approved citizens should be allowed to do so?

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, candide said:

Good economy: inherited from Obama

Low inflation and cheap gas: global context was low inflation and cheap gas worldwide

Moved US embassy: increased Palestinians resentment, did not help peace

Abraham accord: these countries were not at war or conflict, avoided the main issue (Palestinians)

Sentencing reform: ok

Encourage energy production: started by Obama in 2008

Talking with North Korea: He's been manipulated by Kim

Etc...

I can agree with you on Trump's record on Israel.

[heybruce]

50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's been pointed out by other posters to be incorrect. Fake news.

Yet none of those other posters had sources showing that Trump didn't post what he very clearly posted on Truth Social:

 

“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”  https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 12/5/2022 at 11:16 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K

Hardly anything at all TBH

The U.K 

No, a normal Western Style democracy 

I'm not sure where (or if) you learned about the UK and its political system but if you think the UK doesn't have a constitution, then I'm afraid you've fallen for a common myth.

 

As the document linked to below on the UK parliamentary website (www.parliament.uk) points out, although it is not codified into a single, written document, the UK does in fact, have a constitution:

 

Quote

The United Kingdom constitution is composed of the laws and rules that create the institutions of the state, regulate the relationships between those institutions, or regulate the relationship between the state and the individual.

The UK Constitution

 

I have a good friend here who used to be a lawyer in the UK before she retired and she is fond of pointing out when people bring up this canard, she actually spent most of her legal career working on UK constitutional law. Which as she says, would have been a little difficult to do if it didn't have one.

Edited December 11, 2022 by GroveHillWanderer

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I'm not sure where (or if) you learned about the UK and its political system but if you think the UK doesn't have a constitution, then I'm afraid you've fallen for a common myth.

 

As the document linked to below on the UK parliamentary website (www.parliament.uk) points out, although it is not codified into a single, written document, the UK does in fact, have a constitution:

 

The UK Constitution

 

I have a good friend here who used to be a lawyer in the UK before she retired and she is fond of pointing out when people bring up this canard, she actually spent most of her time working on UK constitutional law. Which as she says, would have been a little difficult to do if it didn't have one.

I did mean that the UK doesn't have a a Constitution that is similar to the USA's

[ozimoron]

Young republican president Gavin Wax, who told the Upper East side gala, “We want to cross the Rubicon. We want total war. We must be prepared to do battle in every arena.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/republican-party-wants-war/

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Young republican president Gavin Wax, who told the Upper East side gala, “We want to cross the Rubicon. We want total war. We must be prepared to do battle in every arena.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/republican-party-wants-war/

They've got a friend in Marjorie Taylor Greene

 

REP. MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENEIf I Had Planned Jan. 6 ...WE WOULDA GOTTEN THE JOB DONE!!!

The Georgia lawmaker made the shocking statement Saturday night during the New York Young Republican Club gala -- where she, Donald Trump Jr. and other prominent members of the GOP were in attendance to preach their policy positions as part of the new Congress.

Per the New York Post ... Greene, at one point said on Jan. 6, "I want to tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, we would’ve been armed." Bannon was in the audience, BTW -- it's unclear how the crowd reacted.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/12/11/marjorie-taylor-greene-would-have-led-armed-insurrection-jan-6/

[ThailandRyan]

Trump is now making other threats to "Burn down the Country".  He thinks he is a Mob Boss it appears

 

Trump is willing to 'burn the country down' if the DOJ doesn't back off: former attorney (msn.com)

 

Speaking with MSNBC host Ali Velshi, Michael Cohen suggested that the DOJ take a look at everywhere the former president has been since being ousted from office if they believe he is still hanging on to stolen government documents -- but he then issued a warning about how Trump could ultimately react.

 

"It's almost like 'Where's Waldo,'" Cohen explained. "Follow where Donald has gone every single day and those people, the ones that you have to speak to, you need to search those properties."

 

"But I believe, and I've been saying it all along, that he is going to use those documents as leverage. 'You want to mess with me, you want to play with me, you want to indict me?'

 

This is how he thinks, like a mob boss."

Edited December 12, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Jingthing]

Obviously.

All he's ever cared about is himself.

That's not a problem for a random private citizen but trump still controls the republican party and at least for now is most likely to be nominated for president again again God help us.

[Pattaya Spotter]

The Democrats, the Marxists pushing critical race theory in the academy, and all the other left-wing radicals and wokesters in the media and elsewhere do nothing but remind us that it was written by a bunch of slave owning straight White men and that the Constitution they produced is racist to the core and the foundation of "structural racism" in the US...I would think they would all join President Trump in calling for dumping it and starting over again ???? 

[rudi49jr]

14 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The Democrats, the Marxists pushing critical race theory in the academy, and all the other left-wing radicals and wokesters in the media and elsewhere do nothing but remind us that it was written by a bunch of slave owning straight White men and that the Constitution they produced is racist to the core and the foundation of "structural racism" in the US...I would think they would all join President Trump in calling for dumping it and starting over again ???? 

You really don’t have any clue what marxism or socialism is, do you? Calling Democrats ‘the radical left’ is completely ridiculous. But you’re parroting Trump and MTG and all those other MAGA idiots quite nicely.