Pattaya: "Popular" British pensioner gunned down on way home after just returning from UK Xmas visit

[Doctor Tom]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

With the amount of guns per capita here... 

With the amount of Yabba heads riding around etc...  its not far fetched to suspect this could be something as simple as wrong place wrong time, looking at the wrong person, even overtaking the wrong person on the bike... 

 

... This could have been something incredibly random... Or one or or a combination of a multitude of many other reasons....  gang initiation to a hired hit... etc...   

 

This must be horrific for his loved ones. 

 

 

Yes, but some reports from the Police suggest road rage, or a love triangle issue have not been dismissed;  we just don't know and neither do the police.  What we apparently do know is that he was drinking with mates from 4pm and this was a few hours later and he was riding his scooter.  Maybe he was just drinking diet cokes all evening, but let's not speculate at this stage. 

[brianthainess]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Back in the UK, the police would already be questioning his 39 year old 'carer'.

she turned up at the scene, she was distraught,  where she spoke to the cops and I'm sure they will talk again.

[smedly]

1 hour ago, tubby johnson said:

Intrepid rookie agent Smedly of CSI Aseannow has solved the crime. The victim was shot miles from his home in order to steal £20k in cash .... from his home.

 

Case closed.  Move along, everyone.

any particular motive for your post tubby - it just reafirms the naivety of some people posting here, as you get older you're supposed to get smarter and wiser - life has been wasted on you 

[crazykopite]

????????????????????   Very sad RIP  either mistaken identity or he had upset someone ☹️☹️☹️

[Elkski]

It could have been put in motion by someone not getting chicken and beans. 

[allanos]

Really doesn't sound like a pre-planned "hit". Who would be lying in wait

for the victim if he stopped off randomly somewhere to buy a few

groceries?

 

Hits are more likely to be front on, on a pedestrian target, and not

shooting at someone riding away down a soi. Even with three shots,

the shooter cannot be certain of having made a "kill".

 

Given the place of the killing, it seems to me that the girlfriend's

involvement can be ruled out.

 

It appears more likely to be a road-rage "revenge" shooting, or

resulting from an argument in, or close to, the store where the

goods were bought. More questioning of the shop-keeper is

called for, and which, no doubt, the cops are busy with.

 

In my view, a long-shot (no pun intended), is that this is a hit

ordered from England, and that Mr Roger(s) was followed

by the perpetrator. There is no evidence for this, of course,

and there may never be, and the thought may be extreme.

 

We are all just putting our best theories forward.

[Bangkokhatter]

16 minutes ago, allanos said:

Really doesn't sound like a pre-planned "hit". Who would be lying in wait

for the victim if he stopped off randomly somewhere to buy a few

groceries?

 

Hits are more likely to be front on, on a pedestrian target, and not

shooting at someone riding away down a soi. Even with three shots,

the shooter cannot be certain of having made a "kill".

 

Given the place of the killing, it seems to me that the girlfriend's

involvement can be ruled out.

 

It appears more likely to be a road-rage "revenge" shooting, or

resulting from an argument in, or close to, the store where the

goods were bought. More questioning of the shop-keeper is

called for, and which, no doubt, the cops are busy with.

 

In my view, a long-shot (no pun intended), is that this is a hit

ordered from England, and that Mr Roger(s) was followed

by the perpetrator. There is no evidence for this, of course,

and there may never be, and the thought may be extreme.

 

We are all just putting our best theories forward.

Not all of us !

 

RIP, Neil

[petermik]

6 hours ago, dddave said:

Such pointless and cruel speculation.  This being Thailand it could just as easily been somebody angry because he looked at him the wrong way or some incident on the roadway.  A guy once chased me down and threatened me with a knife because I got in his way somehow.

I have only just joined this conversation and you are quite correct....such pointless and cruel speculation....and how do I know....because Neil was my best mate here in Thailand.....I have had the pleasure of knowing this gentleman for nearly 15 years and as nice a fellow as anyone could wish to meet.....I am the "Peter" mentioned but there was no arrangement to meet last night.....we meet up on Fridays....he didn`t smoke/do drugs or ANYTHING underhand....he was just a very nice human being and a pleasure to have known him.

The latest information I have is the police suspect a road rage incident.

R.I.P. Neil gone but never forgotten.

[petermik]

42 minutes ago, allanos said:

 

 

In my view, a long-shot (no pun intended), is that this is a hit

ordered from England, and that Mr Roger(s) was followed

by the perpetrator. There is no evidence for this, of course,

and there may never be, and the thought may be extreme.

 

 

Ridiculous.....

[Woof999]

4 minutes ago, petermik said:

I have only just joined this conversation and you are quite correct....such pointless and cruel speculation....and how do I know....because Neil was my best mate here in Thailand.....I have had the pleasure of knowing this gentleman for nearly 15 years and as nice a fellow as anyone could wish to meet.....I am the "Peter" mentioned but there was no arrangement to meet last night.....we meet up on Fridays....he didn`t smoke/do drugs or ANYTHING underhand....he was just a very nice human being and a pleasure to have known him.

The latest information I have is the police suspect a road rage incident.

R.I.P. Neil gone but never forgotten.

So sorry to hear about this. Respect.

[josephbloggs]

3 hours ago, mancub said:

Err, sleeping the OP Link states, actually .

Sleeping in his room. He happens to work as a security guard at a hotel. He was sleeping in his room at the time. Is that not allowed?

[Smithson]

7 hours ago, d4dang said:

in my neck of the woods three shots are the message...in the torso if you are respected

 

Is that in Pattaya? Might give it a mss.

 

[billd766]

8 hours ago, smedly said:

can you not read, you obviously have no clue - like I said in my post - who benefits financially from his death - it's called motive and in Thailand when farangs are murdered it is almost always a financial motive - someone gains alot of money and thinks they will get away with it - cash that nobody knows about (not banked)

Do you know the victim personally? Was he in the habit of bringing large sums of money back to Thailand?

 

If your answer is no then it is you that has no clue.

 

I cannot think of any expat that I know  who would wander around with 20,000 quid in his pocket.

 

It seems that he was not robbed and if, according to your ridiculous theory the money was at his home it would be easier to follow him home, kill them both and then steal the money.

 

That theory has as much validity as yours, but I know it is a load of rubbish as I was the one that wrote it.

 

[josephbloggs]

48 minutes ago, petermik said:

I have only just joined this conversation and you are quite correct....such pointless and cruel speculation....and how do I know....because Neil was my best mate here in Thailand.....I have had the pleasure of knowing this gentleman for nearly 15 years and as nice a fellow as anyone could wish to meet.....I am the "Peter" mentioned but there was no arrangement to meet last night.....we meet up on Fridays....he didn`t smoke/do drugs or ANYTHING underhand....he was just a very nice human being and a pleasure to have known him.

The latest information I have is the police suspect a road rage incident.

R.I.P. Neil gone but never forgotten.

Thanks for posting and very sorry for the untimely loss of your friend. I hope the police do their job, they find the culprit and you get justice for your friend.

Also sorry you have to read such insensitive dribble on here with people speculating and pointing fingers and coming up with theories about him and his girlfriend. Awful. Those posters should be utterly ashamed of themselves, it is disgusting really.

RIP to your friend.

 

Edited January 6, 2023 by josephbloggs

[jimrod]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

any particular motive for your post tubby - it just reafirms the naivety of some people posting here, as you get older you're supposed to get smarter and wiser - life has been wasted on you 

That must make you Benjamin Button, ????

[billd766]

5 hours ago, lor said:

As with most crime the answer is to follow the money.

What money would that be?

[billd766]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

any particular motive for your post tubby - it just reafirms the naivety of some people posting here, as you get older you're supposed to get smarter and wiser - life has been wasted on you 

It hasn't worked for you either.

[Aussieroaming]

RIP to the man.

[HuskerDo2]

4 hours ago, Doctor Tom said:

I think that you are making a few big assumptions there .   People don't get assassinated for nothing, unless its a case of mistaken identity.  I suspect that there is much more to this than has been reported. 

""People don't get assassinated for nothing".... Not true. It happens every day all over the world. Caused by people on drugs (usually Meth), others trying to get into a street gang need to "prove" themselves worthy, still others just trying to impress their friends. Others have mental issues. Look at the daily news in Chicago. People are shot every day for no obvious reason. Most of the time it's young black kids pulling the trigger. Where are their parents? Nowhere to be found until it's their kid who is the victim and then the parent wants to sue the police for not ensuring the kid was safe instead of taking that responsibility upon themselves where it should be.

 

I'm glad I was born when I was. I don't want to see what this world has become in 30 years. Won't be good. 

[Shop mak]

Many police and investigators are involved in the chase of the merciless gunman.

So far, the wife is not a person of interest

[IslandLover]

3 hours ago, petermik said:

I have only just joined this conversation and you are quite correct....such pointless and cruel speculation....and how do I know....because Neil was my best mate here in Thailand.....I have had the pleasure of knowing this gentleman for nearly 15 years and as nice a fellow as anyone could wish to meet.....I am the "Peter" mentioned but there was no arrangement to meet last night.....we meet up on Fridays....he didn`t smoke/do drugs or ANYTHING underhand....he was just a very nice human being and a pleasure to have known him.

The latest information I have is the police suspect a road rage incident.

R.I.P. Neil gone but never forgotten.

So sad.  Sorry for your loss.  ????

 

[HandsomeTallFarang]

Just goes to show that each day is a gift, it's not a given right. Makes no difference who you are, how careful you are, how tough a guy you might think you are, if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time, you're gonna get it.

[Harsh Jones]

11 hours ago, n00dle said:

it is all just a round about way of saying his woman did it.

As for the 20k, im pretty sure we all know where he pulled that from.

Well, this wasn't a very cunning plan. This is the most obvious of one of these cases I have ever seen. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Well, this wasn't a very cunning plan. This is the most obvious of one of these cases I have ever seen. 

Its quite likely that this was a road rage incident 

[Harsh Jones]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its quite likely that this was a road rage incident 

4 shots like this is typical assassination style. Plus the time of night doesn't strike me as road rage hours. But we'll see

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Harsh Jones said:

4 shots like this is typical assassination style. Plus the time of night doesn't strike me as road rage hours. But we'll see

How many shots are usually fired in road rage incidents ?

BTW, have you read all the posts in this thread ?

[Harsh Jones]

The lower you go down the age range, the more risk you are exposed to. I always understood the older guys who have older partners. Still far younger than them but not 30+. Its just more realistic that way. A 38 year old woman still has a lot ahead of her. 

[mancub]

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Sleeping in his room. He happens to work as a security guard at a hotel. He was sleeping in his room at the time. Is that not allowed?

Was merely correcting a previous pedantic post regarding the wording in the link .Don't believe I commented on his sleeping habits. Is that not admissible ? ????

[Farang Thay]

The Thai girlfriend,in the pickup,with a sidearm…..Case Closed!

[Farang Thay]

"Em", 23, a hotel security man, said that he had been sleeping 300 meters away.
 

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