Seven shot dead at Jerusalem synagogue

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, stevenl said:

It wasn't anybody's, including the UN, to give away.

It was, the U.K were in power at the time and the U.K  went home and both Israel and Palestine claimed the land  and the U.N offered a solution to share the land, the other option would have been to let the two fight it out and the victor kept the land 

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was, the U.K were in power at the time and the U.K  went home and both Israel and Palestine claimed the land  and the U.N offered a solution to share the land, the other option would have been to let the two fight it out and the victor kept the land 

...and the Arab League chose the latter.  And lost.  They should be grateful that ANY Palestinians were allowed to stay in Israel after that atrocity. And hang their heads in shame at how they treated the Palestinians within their own countries afterwards.  

[candide]

And hear we go! Settlements are the main cause of Palestinian ire, and Netanyahu's response is to strengthen settlements.

Years of muscle flexing by Sharon and Netanyahu have never stopped attacks and have only aggravated the problem. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.....

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/29/middleeast/israel-attacks-settlements-strengthened-netanyahu-intl-hnk/index.html

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, candide said:

And hear we go! Settlements are the main cause of Palestinian ire, and Netanyahu's response is to strengthen settlements.

Years of muscle flexing by Sharon and Netanyahu have never stopped attacks and have only aggravated the problem. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.....

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/29/middleeast/israel-attacks-settlements-strengthened-netanyahu-intl-hnk/index.html

That is a punishment for the attacks .

In response to Palestinians murdering Jews , Jews will take more land from the terrorists and build more homes there .

   That is the more productive response. Rather than bombing Gaza again 

[candide]

Yet it never worked to reduce violence, for years and years. Making Palestinians more enraged is even likely to increase it.

 

Actually, it never worked anywhere. History shows that whenever an occupier resorted to collective punishment for individual acts of terrorism (or whatever one may call them), the effect was usually to increase the opposition from the local population.

[Mac Mickmanus]

23 minutes ago, candide said:

Yet it never worked to reduce violence, for years and years. Making Palestinians more enraged is even likely to increase it.

 

 

You don't know that  you , are just guessing .

Palestinians may very well have decided against more mass murdering Jews as they know that the consequence will be more land taken and more settlements built .

   Besides, Palestinians killing Jews will not stop whatever happens , so its something they will have to live with

 

[candide]

Palestinian

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You don't know that  you , are just guessing .

Palestinians may very well have decided against more mass murdering Jews as they know that the consequence will be more land taken and more settlements built .

   Besides, Palestinians killing Jews will not stop whatever happens , so its something they will have to live with

 

This policy has been applied for decades and never stopped violence. That's a fact, not a guess.

 

BTW, who are these "Palestians" who rationally decide whether there will be more or less mass murdering? 

Edited January 29, 2023 by candide

[Jingthing]

You know, totally useless saccharine sentiments of sending our hopes and prayers to the victims families would be remarkably better than the "they had it coming" and "Israel shouldn't have ever existed in the first place" type of posts here.

[2009]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You know, totally useless saccharine sentiments of sending our hopes and prayers to the victims families would be remarkably better than the "they had it coming" and "Israel shouldn't have ever existed in the first place" type of posts here.

Those types of crappy sentiments are for cross eyed religious Americans.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, 2009 said:

Those types of crappy sentiments are for cross eyed religious Americans.

They're not great but still not horrible in comparison to some of the hostility here. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

42 minutes ago, candide said:

Palestinian

This policy has been applied for decades and never stopped violence. That's a fact, not a guess.

 

BTW, who are these "Palestians" who rationally decide whether there will be more or less mass murdering? 

You cannot say whether Palestinians decided against carrying out more attacks , yes it didn't stop the attacks , but there may have been more if Israel didn't retaliate by taking more land .

   I don't know their names or who they are representing 

[ozimoron]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is a punishment for the attacks .

In response to Palestinians murdering Jews , Jews will take more land from the terrorists and build more homes there .

   That is the more productive response. Rather than bombing Gaza again 

Retaliating against civilians for any reason is a war crime.

Edited January 29, 2023 by ozimoron

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Retaliating against civilians for any reason is a war crime.

Is that reference to the O.P story where 7 civilians were murdered in retaliation  for terrorist being killed in a shoot out ?

   Is that the "war crime" that you are referring to ?

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is a punishment for the attacks .

In response to Palestinians murdering Jews , Jews will take more land from the terrorists and build more homes there .

   That is the more productive response. Rather than bombing Gaza again 

Collective punishment is In violation of international law, and the only way they get away with is because they are supported by the USA.

 

Now we have settlers attacking Palestinians in full view of the security forces. Reminds me of what happened to Jews in a different country last century. I suppose that's OK for you because they are only Palestinians.

 

https://www.anews.com.tr/gallery/world/settlers-attack-palestinian-owned-houses-shops-in-west-bank

A dozen settlers set an empty house ablaze and attacked a nearby house in the town of Turmus Ayya, east of Ramallah at midnight, Awad Abu Samra, the brother of a house owner, told the media outlets. "The attack took place under the watch of Israeli army forces, which were only 150 meters away from the scene," he said.

 

and then there is this.

 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/israel-un-experts-condemn-record-year-israeli-violence-occupied-west-bank

GENEVA (15 December 2022) – UN experts* condemned the rampant Israeli settler violence and excessive use of force by Israeli forces against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank this year that have made 2022 the deadliest in this area of the occupied Palestinian territory since the United Nations started systematically documenting fatalities in 2005.

150 Palestinians have been killed in the occupied West Bank by Israeli forces so far this year, including 33 children**. In addition, a boy was killed by either Israeli forces or Israeli settlers who were firing side-by-side.

 

IMO it is just a matter of time before world leaders can't accept it any more and do something despite the US cover for Israel. It's shameful, IMO that they have not done anything this far.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is that reference to the O.P story where 7 civilians were murdered in retaliation  for terrorist being killed in a shoot out ?

   Is that the "war crime" that you are referring to ?

No, it's an absolute truth that applies in every situation where innocent civilians become the victims of retaliation.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

...and the Arab League chose the latter.  And lost.  They should be grateful that ANY Palestinians were allowed to stay in Israel after that atrocity. And hang their heads in shame at how they treated the Palestinians within their own countries afterwards.  

Are you are in favour of ethnic cleansing then?

 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

No, it's an absolute truth that applies in every situation where innocent civilians become the victims of retaliation.

So, you mean "Yes" , rather than "No" ?

This attack on innocent civilians is a war crime ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Now we have settlers attacking Palestinians in full view of the security forces. Reminds me of what happened to Jews in a different country last century.

Once again , claims that Jews are Nazis .

Saying that Jews are Nazis is regarded as being Anti Semitic and is unacceptable these days 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was, the U.K were in power at the time and the U.K  went home and both Israel and Palestine claimed the land  and the U.N offered a solution to share the land, the other option would have been to let the two fight it out and the victor kept the land 

IMO the British bottled it in face of terrorism by Zionists and ran away, leaving a power vacuum.

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

Extremely anti-British, the group repeatedly attacked British personnel in Palestine and even invited aid from the Axis powers.

.......................................

The group’s terrorist activities extended beyond Palestine: two members assassinated Lord Moyne, British minister of state in the Middle East, at Cairo (November 1944).

 

and here's one about a future PM of Israel

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin

Begin ordered an attack on the British military and administrative headquarters at the King David Hotel following a request from the Haganah, although the Haganah's permission was later rescinded. The King David Hotel bombing resulted in the destruction of the building's southern wing, and 91 people, mostly British, Arabs, and Jews, were killed.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

So, you mean "Yes" , rather than "No" ?

This attack on innocent civilians is a war crime ?

I didn't say no, stop the rash posting. I stated quite clearly that any attack on innocent civilians is a war crime, whoever perpetrates them. That includes Palestinians who fire rockets at Israeli civilians. It also includes forced appropriation of land. And demolishing the house of a Palestinian gunman.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Once again , claims that Jews are Nazis .

Saying that Jews are Nazis is regarded as being Anti Semitic and is unacceptable these days 

Deflection.

I never said they were nazis. I only said it reminded me of it.

Edited January 29, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Once again , claims that Jews are Nazis .

Saying that Jews are Nazis is regarded as being Anti Semitic and is unacceptable these days 

Did someone say Jews? If I criticise my government or country am I being anti-Christian?

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the British bottled it in face of terrorism by Zionists and ran away, leaving a power vacuum.

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

Extremely anti-British, the group repeatedly attacked British personnel in Palestine and even invited aid from the Axis powers.

.......................................

The group’s terrorist activities extended beyond Palestine: two members assassinated Lord Moyne, British minister of state in the Middle East, at Cairo (November 1944).

 

and here's one about a future PM of Israel

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin

Begin ordered an attack on the British military and administrative headquarters at the King David Hotel following a request from the Haganah, although the Haganah's permission was later rescinded. The King David Hotel bombing resulted in the destruction of the building's southern wing, and 91 people, mostly British, Arabs, and Jews, were killed.

Let's imagine this is true. So then, the Jews and the Arabs fought it out for control. The Arabs lost.   Couldn't deal with it so they tried again and again, and kept losing.  By this point, they should be grateful that Israel is so forgiving and peaceful.

[Mac Mickmanus]

30 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, it's an absolute truth that applies in every situation where innocent civilians become the victims of retaliation.

 

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I didn't say no, stop the rash posting. 

You DID say "No" , look I quoted where you said it 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Let's imagine this is true. So then, the Jews and the Arabs fought it out for control. The Arabs lost.   Couldn't deal with it so they tried again and again, and kept losing.  By this point, they should be grateful that Israel is so forgiving and peaceful.

I can't believe that you post that last sentence.

You normally make good posts, so I'm not going to put you on ignore, but I won't be reading any more of your posts on this thread.

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Did someone say Jews?

Yes, TBL said it in the post that I replied to !!!!!!!!!

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

You DID say "No" , look I quoted where you said it 

You took my post out of context and did not quote the entirety of my post as required by the rules which led to confusion. Do not clip posts.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, TBL said it in the post that I replied to !!!!!!!!!

Calling people out as anti-semitic is the same as calling people nazis.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/28/2023 at 3:43 PM, JCauto said:

You are an anti-Semite singling out Israel and applying a uniform label on Israelis simply for being citizens of a country whose government you dislike. You talk about Israel, yet have nothing to say about the dozens of countries with far worse laws, human rights records, killings of journalists and repression of their population or minorities.

Deflection.

Those "dozens of countries with far worse laws, human rights records, killings of journalists and repression of their population or minorities" are off topic. If there were threads about them we'd have something to say about them as well.

[Scott]

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