South Dakota is set to ban nearly all forms of gender-affirming care for minors

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Those might be good reasons to RAISE the age to drive/marry rather than lower the age to consent to gender treatment.

 

But again, they are not permanent or irreversable in most cases. Most drivers don't die in car accidents. Most people who marry do so at a later age than 16, and don't have kids either.  You can change your mind and stop driving or stop being married, you can't change your mind after you have a double mastectomy and remove perfectly healthy body parts. 

 

Puberty blocking/delaying drugs are 'best' given before puberty, which means kids from 10 years old are being put on them. Half these kids still think Santa Claus is real and they are being given these drugs?  Sorry but it is ripe for abuse and the long term effects may be catastrophic.

May be you didn't read my post fully, fatal car accidents are permanent. "Teen drivers in this age group have a fatal crash rate almost three times as high as drivers ages 20"

 

In South Dakota having children at 16 is permanent.

 

If "you" feel its a good reason to "RAISE" the age to drive and have children to 18 rather than lower the age to 16 when someone can make a decision on whether they want gender treatment reinforces my views in my initial post.

 

Much more thought should have been taken before enacting this law.

 

My personal opinion, by the age of 16 you are mature enough to know so long as there is adequate counselling first.

 

 

[Jingthing]

People, don't conflate issues about what happens or not in schools to medical treatments such as prescribing hormones etc.

Schools don't offer medical therapies 

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

May be you didn't read my post fully, fatal car accidents are permanent. "Teen drivers in this age group have a fatal crash rate almost three times as high as drivers ages 20"

 

In South Dakota having children at 16 is permanent.

 

If "you" feel its a good reason to "RAISE" the age to drive and have children to 18 rather than lower the age to 16 when someone can make a decision on whether they want gender treatment reinforces my views in my initial post.

 

Much more thought should have been taken before enacting this law.

 

My personal opinion, by the age of 16 you are mature enough to know so long as there is adequate counselling first.

 

 

You're not going to get much serious thought from super maga extremists like Noem.

[seajae]

cant understand why people are trying to make this political when it isnt, children do not have the mental capacity to make these decisions when they at an age that can easily be confused or even pushed to do what others want. The problem is we are seeing older kids/adult that under  went these changes to the opposite gender saying they should never have done it and that they regret listening to others for convincing them to do so, they were not mature enough to make that decision, these kids do not have enough life experience  and always have others pushing them. I have no doubt that there are those that think they should have been born different  and can accept their decision to live as the opposite sex but even these people are usually against doing anything to young children, removing breasts or re-assigning ones genitals is not something kids should have to think about and when you look at this it is usually being pushed by others onto them. I have had many gay/trans friends over the years, even used to have some that were part of the aussie "les girls" scene back in the day(used to get into their shows free), they were all great people and I really enjoyed hanging with them even though I am hetero, they would have me in tears I would laugh that hard but they were all adults and were my friends, kids need to be kids, they shouldnt have to think about gender especially when there are so many teachers etc now pushing their own agendas onto them. If a child isnt sure they should be getting help from professionals/counselors not teachers etc, they need independant help and they need to be mature enough to know all the facts before they do any surgery, this is not something young children can do. Even in the lgbtq groups there are those that think its wrong to push these kids, these kids need to allowed to have a childhood without being pushed by their parents, teachers  etc into something they may regret later on, last thing we want is their lives destroyed by others pressuring their immature and easily manipulated minds.

[Jingthing]

Nobody is advocating pushing children.

That's a fear mongering red herring.

The what's taught and discussed in schools and fascist laws to make LGBT people invisible is really separate from fascist laws that seek to ban and criminalize medical care. This topic is the latter 

 

Of course this is political!!!!!

 

It's interesting how American maga fascism and Putin fascism are quite aligned on these types of issues.

 

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/trans-people-right-wing-media

 

The Narrative on Trans Rights Is Being Shaped by Right-Wing Media

[bamnutsak]

Interesting that so many find it acceptable for the State to tell parents how they can care for their children's well-being and health.

 

Normally, unless fired about some culture-war fake idea, the right is very much against the State infringing on the family.

 

 

Let parents and doctors determine the best options for children's healthcare. The State should not be involved.

[Hanaguma]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're not going to get much serious thought from super maga extremists like Noem.

I dont think you know much about Governor Noem if you seriously believe that. She is conservative but not extremist and does not think Trump would be the best choice of candidate in 2024.  Casually throwing phrases like "super maga extremist" does little to edify people reading.  The Governor balanced her state's budget, cut taxes, and didn't panic during Covid.  Won her state by more than 25 points. And is easy on the eyes. What's not to like?

[BangkokReady]

3 hours ago, seajae said:

cant understand why people are trying to make this political when it isnt

They have an agenda and they'll say anything to protect it.

 

Hence some people try to claim that anyone who says anything against trans issues is a far-right nutcase and any news or facts that contradict their narrative is a lie perpetrated by right-wing nutcase media.

 

It's quite amazing that there apparently happens to be literally just two groups in this debate: kind and good left-wingers who are pro-trans, and far-right nutcases who only say things that are lies because they hate everyone.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Interesting that so many find it acceptable for the State to tell parents how they can care for their children's well-being and health.

 

Normally, unless fired about some culture-war fake idea, the right is very much against the State infringing on the family.

 

 

Let parents and doctors determine the best options for children's healthcare. The State should not be involved.

???????????????????

This is IMO the state protecting children from life changing medical interference that should never have been permitted.

Shame on drs that have abandoned their oath to do no harm.

No child is mature enough to make those decisions.

[EVENKEEL]

It's the crazies that make these common sense laws necessary. By crazies I mean the very small % of out population who takes things just way too far.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's the crazies that make these common sense laws necessary. By crazies I mean the very small % of out population who takes things just way too far.

I call BS.

If your theory applies then why aren't assault weapons banned when there are multiple mass gun massacres of children?

Please be honest.

These laws are about hatred and intolerance of an especially unpopular minority passed only for political.gain.

[n00dle]

On 2/11/2023 at 6:50 PM, Black Ops said:

South Dakota is set to prohibit nearly all forms of gender-affirming treatment for transgender minors after a proposed law gained sweeping approval through its state legislature.

The state Senate passed a House bill banning surgical and non-surgical gender-affirming treatment for minors on Thursday in a 30-4 vote, advancing the legislation to Gov. Kristi Noem’s desk. Noem will sign the bill into law, a spokesperson for the Republican governor told CNN on Friday.

The legislation bars puberty blocking medication in patients under the age of 18, as well as sex hormones and surgery related to gender transition.

Good. At least one government on earth has common sense.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

Good. At least one government on earth has common sense.

Yes it is very common indeed to advance in politics by oppressing hated minorities.

[n00dle]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

These laws are about hatred and intolerance of an especially unpopular minority passed only for political.gain.

No. These laws are about preventing children from making irreversible decisions before they understand the ramifications. 

 

[n00dle]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes it is very common indeed to advance in politics by oppressing hated minorities.

It is you politicizing this. You are also using words like "hated minority" to promote a victim culture.  To the contrary, your oppressed minority is all about political gain and controlling speech as the undermine the rights women and gay populations have for for decades.   

  

Edited February 13, 2023 by n00dle

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, n00dle said:

No. These laws are about preventing children from making irreversible decisions before they understand the ramifications. 

 

Actually these laws will directly result in more suicides of trans youth. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

It is you politicizing this. You are also using words like "hated minority" to promote a victim culture. 

  

No way.

These right wing laws all come from the American right wing party.

Totally political. 

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, n00dle said:

It is you politicizing this. You are also using words like "hated minority" to promote a victim culture. 

  

Trans Americans suffer violence and murders at higher levels.

The righr wing doesn't care.

In fact they inflame it.

[n00dle]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Actually these laws will directly result in more suicides of trans youth. 

Nobody has suggested that trans youths should lack support or access to counselling until. It has also been suggested that gay, lesbian and bisexual youths are equally likely to consider or commit suicide due to stigmatization.

 

[Jingthing]

43 minutes ago, n00dle said:

Nobody has suggested that trans youths should lack support or access to counselling until. It has also been suggested that gay, lesbian and bisexual youths are equally likely to consider or commit suicide due to stigmatization.

 

The subject here is trans  non binary etc.

LGB people are generally cisgender and don't need gender affirming medical care.

While it's true that the American right wing is usually but not always anti LGBTQ civil rights in general, trans, non binary, drag queens etc. have been selected by the republican bigots for extra special scapegoating. 

[Jingthing]

I will also add that NOT taking puberty blockers is an irreversible decision. Those trans people that do will have a great lifetime benefit for having done so before puberty .

No politician fascist maga or otherwise should dictate such momentous decisions. 

Of course nobody is suggesting that medical and psychological screening isn't needed for such things.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Jingthing

[JeffersLos]

On 2/11/2023 at 6:50 PM, Black Ops said:

gender-affirming

If anyone is unsure, and needs affirming, or reaffirming, just look on your birth certificate and it tells you your gender there. ???? 

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I call BS.

If your theory applies then why aren't assault weapons banned when there are multiple mass gun massacres of children?

Please be honest.

These laws are about hatred and intolerance of an especially unpopular minority passed only for political.gain.

Gun laws is a different topic as you well know.

 

Don't you want laws to protect our youth from making mistakes which will effect them for the rest of their lives? It's a shame that plain common sense doesn't work anymore and laws have to be passed.

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Gun laws is a different topic as you well know.

 

Don't you want laws to protect our youth from making mistakes which will effect them for the rest of their lives? It's a shame that plain common sense doesn't work anymore and laws have to be passed.

Bait ignored.

[Jingthing]

50 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

If anyone is unsure, and needs affirming, or reaffirming, just look on your birth certificate and it tells you your gender there. ???? 

Typical transphobic response.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, JeffersLos said:

If anyone is unsure, and needs affirming, or reaffirming, just look on your birth certificate and it tells you your gender there. ???? 

A guy back in the UK has jumped onto this "woke" bandwagon and has written to the NHS telling them that he "identifies" as a monkey, in which case he has asked for a weekly delivery of bananas to his house, so as not to be discriminated against.

[Jingthing]

32 minutes ago, xylophone said:

A guy back in the UK has jumped onto this "woke" bandwagon and has written to the NHS telling them that he "identifies" as a monkey, in which case he has asked for a weekly delivery of bananas to his house, so as not to be discriminated against.

Not a joke 

These maga fascists are criminalizing medically neccessary health care to a demonized minority just to get more votes. That is EVIL.

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255

 

"Adolescents and adults with gender dysphoria without gender-affirming treatment might be at risk of thinking about or attempting suicide."

 

 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Jingthing

[Credo]

The only people who should be involved in approving or denying gender-affirming care are the parents, the doctors and the medical ethics committee.  

 

Gender dysphoria is a diagnosable condition.  There is treatment for it, and laws like this are both discriminatory toward a mental condition and a denial of treatment.  

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, Credo said:

The only people who should be involved in approving or denying gender-affirming care are the parents, the doctors and the medical ethics committee.  

 

Gender dysphoria is a diagnosable condition.  There is treatment for it, and laws like this are both discriminatory toward a mental condition and a denial of treatment.  

Yes exactly.

As I'm not a medical professional, I have wondered in what situations surgery would be appropriate before 18. The needs for hormones and puberty blockers for some selected people is obvious. For surgery, all I could think of are people born with ambiguous genitals who are declared a gender at birth and then it turns out the person doesn't think they are that gender at all! That would likely happen very early in such a child's life. I assume that in such cases surgery to make their genitals fit their gender identity would be a huge benefit to them socially and psychologically as they grow up. 

But hey, these right winger demogogues really don't care about these children. Let's make it all illegal! That'll make them a maga-rific winner. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Jingthing

[Credo]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yes exactly.

As I'm not a medical professional, I have wondered in what situations surgery would be appropriate before 18. The needs for hormones and puberty blockers for some selected people is obvious. For surgery, all I could think of are people born with ambiguous genitals who are declared a gender at birth and then it turns out the person doesn't think they are that gender at all! That would likely happen very early in such a child's life. I assume that in such cases surgery to make their genitals fit their gender identity would be a huge benefit to them socially and psychologically as they grow up. 

But hey, these right winger demogogues really don't care about these children. Let's make it all illegal! That'll make them a maga-rific winner. 

There are some case studies involving young children that clearly suffering from dysphoria.  I'll see if I can find a link to it.  I know one was a young boy, who at 2, tried to cut his penis off because it didn't belong there.  There is also the case of an infant boy whose penis was badly injured in a botched circumcision.  The decision was made to change the sex to female and raise him as a girl.  The upshot of that case is that he spent his life identifying as male.  No amount of hormones, puberty blockers or surgeries could change his perception of himself.   

 

One of the more definitive methods of determining gender-identity is through brain scans.  The brain operates differently between males and females.  Those with gender dysphoria will show a scan that identifies with a gender different from the one assigned at birth.   

 

But, hey, surely a legislature has more insight than neurologists, neuro psychiatrists, endocrinologists, psychologists, the patient and the parents.