20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I wonder if it’s occurred to these serially offended rightwingers gnashing their tooth over ‘drag shows’

Lots of normal people, including lots of people from the mainstream left, don't want drag queens for their children.

Only radical minded people call anybody who is not in their corner "rightwingers".

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Lots of normal people, including lots of people from the mainstream left, don't want drag queens for their children.

Only radical minded people call anybody who is not in their corner "rightwingers".

And they all have the right not to take their kids to drag shows.

 

It’s the ‘rightwing’ passing these laws to control other people’s choices.

 

Hence ‘rightwingers’.

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There are also lots of gogo bars in Phuket. Lots of people go there. It's just entertainment. 

If I would have children, I wouldn't take them to drag shows or ladyboy shows or gogo bars.

But in the theoretical game that I would have to take them somewhere then I would take them to the gogo bars. Sexy real girls are a lot more natural than men who pretend to be women.

Terrible comparison, go go bars provide a lot more than visual entertainment for men waiting to bar fine the girls and some of their shows are far more graphic than any ladyboy show.  

 

In fact just last week I dropped off my daughter (15) to meet up with her friends near Bangla Road for a lazer tag venue. I expressly told her not to venture into Bangla as it was not the place for teen girls, I picked her up from Jungceylon in the evening.

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There are also lots of gogo bars in Phuket. Lots of people go there. It's just entertainment. 

If I would have children, I wouldn't take them to drag shows or ladyboy shows or gogo bars.

But in the theoretical game that I would have to take them somewhere then I would take them to the gogo bars. Sexy real girls are a lot more natural than men who pretend to be women.

I think it’s perhaps better if you don’t go down the argument of taking kids to gogo bars being an acceptable alternative to you.

 

Oh, too late, you already did.

28 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

In fact just last week I dropped off my daughter (15) to meet up with her friends near Bangla Road for a lazer tag venue. I expressly told her not to venture into Bangla as it was not the place for teen girls, I picked her up from Jungceylon in the evening.

you can't be that naive can you ? 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your guess, is once again wrong.

 

An error which completely undermines your second assertion.

 

How about, not making laws to control what parents choose is or is not acceptable for their own children.

 

Nobody is forcing you, or anyone else to go see any drag show.

 

 

https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

 

These shows are at the school. Who in their right mind thinks this is fine for young kids?

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

 

These shows are at the school. Who in their right mind thinks this is fine for young kids?

Is that you backing down from the baseless claims I called you out on?

What the NYP claims and what is reality are not necessarily the same thing.

Their use of emotionally loaded language is a clue.

 

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Terrible comparison, go go bars provide a lot more than visual entertainment for men waiting to bar fine the girls and some of their shows are far more graphic than any ladyboy show.  

 

In fact just last week I dropped off my daughter (15) to meet up with her friends near Bangla Road for a lazer tag venue. I expressly told her not to venture into Bangla as it was not the place for teen girls, I picked her up from Jungceylon in the evening.

Things are different here in Thailand. They learn from an early age that there are boys that act like girls and so on. They aren't indoctrinated on the subject. TV shows have the wacky looking ladyboy.

 

At a restaurant I asked my 11 yr old about the worker. Man or woman, she giggled and said man lady. ahahaa   They don't need story books or drag shows here to educate them, it's a part of natural life here.

 

When she's 15 I doubt I'll drop her off near Walking Street to play with her friends.

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Things are different here in Thailand. They learn from an early age that there are boys that act like girls and so on. They aren't indoctrinated on the subject. TV shows have the wacky looking ladyboy.

 

At a restaurant I asked my 11 yr old about the worker. Man or woman, she giggled and said man lady. ahahaa   They don't need story books or drag shows here to educate them, it's a part of natural life here.

 

When she's 15 I doubt I'll drop her off near Walking Street to play with her friends.

Yes things are different here in Thailand, they are more accepting of ladyboy shows without the need to scream and charge parents with a crime if they take their kids to one. Just as it should be in the US

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is that you backing down from the baseless claims I called you out on?

What the NYP claims and what is reality are not necessarily the same thing.

Their use of emotionally loaded language is a clue.

 

The examples are endless, so sad some hate the GOP so much their judgement gets clouded.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/drag-queen-story-hour-graders-philadelphia-school-outrages-parents

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes things are different here in Thailand, they are more accepting of ladyboy shows without the need to scream and charge parents with a crime if they take their kids to one. Just as it should be in the US

Do they have these shows at the schools here? I'm not talking about private venues like going to the movies.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What the NYP claims and what is reality are not necessarily the same thing.

Their use of emotionally loaded language is a clue.

The use of emotionally loaded language is generally a sign that the person has no rational or logical argument to make and thus resorts to abusive language or otherwise nonsensical inflammatory comments.

Here are some examples from this very thread. Of course there is no such thing as the "American fascist party" although the party that tried creating a ministry of truth headed up by a known laptop denier to continue punishing and censoring truth and forcing a self serving false narrative on Americans is close to fascism. And the last one is amusing. I often see prominent posters of the extreme left persuasion here mis-gendering Lyndsey Graham. Always the way isn't it. I can't remember ever having seen a conservative poster resort to abuse when their argument goes down the swanny. Lyndsey Graham - frequently mis-gendered by abusive posters. Michelle Obama - never mis-gendered. Food for thought...

 

"The GOP is all about anti LGBT all the time. Just like Putin. Fascists think alike."

 

"It's one of these fake issues the American fascist party promotes as important because they have no interest in addressing real problems."

 

"Well, there goes Lindsey Graham's side hustle.  I bet he does a great Blanche du Bois."

 

 

Funny how the left are suddenly so against cancel culture when it involves cancelling men dressed as women parading in front of children. ???? Suddenly they want government to stay out of people's lives. It seems there is no end to their hypocrisy. 

 

Now, ignoring their (predictable) double standards for a second, as long as the show is done tastefully and respectfully I don't have a massive issue with it. Pantomine, Thai comedy sketches complete with BOING noises etc. However, I've seen a lot of these drag shows where they all get a bit too excited with the flamboyance of it all and the bloke ends up dressed in a small thong, twerking in front of kids faces etc. I saw one where he took off his shirt to reveal his massive silicon implants, all with kids present. This is the type of thing I believe the law is trying to stop, and rightly so.

The whole drag queen thing was a non-issue until it was suddenly pushed into the spotlight by some people who for some reason wanted kids exposed to it as a form of "gender affirming education".  Then we suddenly got drag queen reading hour, school visits, burlesque-type shows "for all ages" and the like. 

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Do they have these shows at the schools here? I'm not talking about private venues like going to the movies.

No idea, I doubt it. But you responded to my post that was referring to shows not schools based on the OP "bills, which seek to ban children from drag performances"

 

Regards in school then personally I see no need for in person drag or ladyboy sessions in any country as I would expect adequate sexual and social education would cover differing gender issues. Oh wait, I hear they are stopping that also in the US

45 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Things are different here in Thailand. They learn from an early age that there are boys that act like girls and so on. They aren't indoctrinated on the subject. TV shows have the wacky looking ladyboy.

 

At a restaurant I asked my 11 yr old about the worker. Man or woman, she giggled and said man lady. ahahaa   They don't need story books or drag shows here to educate them, it's a part of natural life here.

 

When she's 15 I doubt I'll drop her off near Walking Street to play with her friends.

The Gender spectrum is part of natural life everywhere.

 

It’s accepted in Thailand, not so by the religious rightwing currently controlling the GOP in the US.

18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The whole drag queen thing was a non-issue until it was suddenly pushed into the spotlight by some people who for some reason wanted kids exposed to it as a form of "gender affirming education".  Then we suddenly got drag queen reading hour, school visits, burlesque-type shows "for all ages" and the like. 

It’s pushed into the limelight by the rightwing in their search for culture war battles.

 

Or did you miss that bit?

 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

 

These shows are at the school. Who in their right mind thinks this is fine for young kids?

The article there deals mostly with drag artists who are reading stories from a pre approved list. Not that shocking at all. 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

 

These shows are at the school. Who in their right mind thinks this is fine for young kids?

What do you think a drag queen show is going to do to the minds of young children? You seem to confuse sexually explicit or suggestive shows with shows where men are dressed as women.

Small children will just think of this as being silly and funny.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think it’s perhaps better if you don’t go down the argument of taking kids to gogo bars being an acceptable alternative to you.

 

Oh, too late, you already did.

Which part is so difficult to understand for you.

I clearly wrote: "If I would have children, I wouldn't take them to drag shows or ladyboy shows or gogo bars."

 

And then I wrote that if I have to choose the lesser evil then I would prefer to bring the kids to gogo bars. Because in gogo bars they see girls in sexy girl clothes.

In the other places there are men in the same clothes.

What is worse: When kids see girls in sexy girls clothes or men in sexy girls clothes?

 

 

or

 

 

I don't remember "Drag Shows" being one of the top 10 or 25 issues with voters in the 2022 mid-term elections?

 

But if it's so important to "protect the children", and politicians feel that parents are unable to do that, then by all means spend valuable time (South Dakota has a pretty limited legislative schedule) passing these sorts of bills.

 

 

I think North Dakota had considered a bill which would invoke a $1,500 fine each time someone used a pronoun which did not match the birth certificate. Obviously wouldn't pass the First Amendment test, so thankfully that did not pass.

 

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/north-dakota-lawmakers-reject-bill-that-would-fine-people-1500-for-using-pronouns-different-from-ones-assigned-at-birth/3051023/

 

What's next on the legislative agenda?

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s pushed into the limelight by the rightwing in their search for culture war battles.

 

Or did you miss that bit?

 

Every time someone objects to extreme left wing ideology being rammed down the throats of normal, moderate people you label it as the "right wing" inventing a culture war.

 

Totally disingenuous.

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Every time someone objects to extreme left wing ideology being rammed down the throats of normal, moderate people you label it as the "right wing" inventing a culture war.

 

Totally disingenuous.

The laws being discussed have been passed by ‘rightwing’ legislators.

 

Hence ‘rightwing’.

 

This isn’t only a rightwing culture war game play, it’s also an example of the rightwing accusation of ‘cancel culture’ being what so many rightwing accusations are, a confession.

 

 

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Which part is so difficult to understand for you.

I clearly wrote: "If I would have children, I wouldn't take them to drag shows or ladyboy shows or gogo bars."

 

And then I wrote that if I have to choose the lesser evil then I would prefer to bring the kids to gogo bars. Because in gogo bars they see girls in sexy girl clothes.

In the other places there are men in the same clothes.

What is worse: When kids see girls in sexy girls clothes or men in sexy girls clothes?

 

 

or

 

 

I disagree, if there "had" to be a choice to take children to see a show then taking them to glorified whore house with men waiting to pay for sex or a ladyboy cabaret is a no brainier

 

Source

 

Source

 

48 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

However, I've seen a lot of these drag shows where they all get a bit too excited with the flamboyance of it all and the bloke ends up dressed in a small thong, twerking in front of kids faces etc. I saw one where he took off his shirt to reveal his massive silicon implants, all with kids present.

You seem to go to a lot of drag shows, with children in attendance. Where was this?

 

If this is such a huge concern why isn't the Republican-led House of Represenatives taking this issue up, holding hearings and writing a bill?

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Which part is so difficult to understand for you.

I clearly wrote: "If I would have children, I wouldn't take them to drag shows or ladyboy shows or gogo bars."

 

And then I wrote that if I have to choose the lesser evil then I would prefer to bring the kids to gogo bars. Because in gogo bars they see girls in sexy girl clothes.

In the other places there are men in the same clothes.

What is worse: When kids see girls in sexy girls clothes or men in sexy girls clothes?

 

 

or

 

 

Are you claiming that this is how drag queens dress when they go to schools?  Does the photo you include here link to a site that provides evidence to support that? 

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Should parents take their children also to strip shows?

Ever been to Walking Street in Pattaya?

European families, with pre-teen kids, going into the open-front girlie/dance bars, posing for pics with katoeys on the street. 

 

 

US is fast becoming a nanny state, courtsey of the radical right GOPs. In this age of internet and social media, can you effectively able to restrict anything from being viewed? 

 

I don't know where this was taken, but I can tell you NYC and San Francisco no man doing drag would be caught dead in those shoes!

 

 

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I disagree, if there "had" to be a choice to take children to see a show then taking them to glorified whore house with men waiting to pay for sex or a ladyboy cabaret is a no brainier

 

Source

 

Source

 

So you call a gogo bar a glorified whore house.

But with the ladyboy cabaret you pretend that they do the show and nothing else will possibly happen.

I am not sure if you are ignorant on purpose or you have no idea about real life.

 

And yes, it's a no-brainer. I prefer real girls any day.