Hi all, is it true that a TM30 has to be filled out in blue ink?

14 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

is it true that a TM30 has to be filled out in blue ink

Correct.

It depends on what the Immigration official with whom you are dealing wants when you see him. There is no written rule about it.

4 hours ago, Maestro said:

It depends on what the Immigration official with whom you are dealing wants when you see him. There is no written rule about it.

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PLEASE NOTE: All the relevant documents must be certified in blue ink by the relevant party.

https://herorealtor.com/simple-guide-to-tm30-thailand-immigration-requirements/

Can anyone explain why it has to be completed in blue ink ?

2 minutes ago, Pumpuynarak said:

Can anyone explain why it has to be completed in blue ink ?

Easy to see that it is not a photocopy of the signature or form

4 minutes ago, Pumpuynarak said:

Can anyone explain why it has to be completed in blue ink ?

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I was told by io blue because they have to see it was a wet ink signature not photocopy which they cannot always tell with black

 

And if you take the one smelling of Toorian, then you get extra points. What a way of self-ridiculing bureaucracy ????

My wife and I have a few condo rooms for rent, mainly to CP/7Eleven scholarship students from Laos and Cambodia. I have registered all our rooms with Immigration online, intitially with my browser at https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/  (many bugs  in this software to navigate through), but now I'm using the Section 38 app, downloaded to my phone from PlayStore, for foreign tenants arriving or re-entering Thailand... No need for blue ink!!! And no need to go to an immigration office.

Most documents must be signed in blue ink. I don’t remember this being a big deal in the past, but now I have just gotten used to signing everything in blue ink. 

3 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

Easy to see that it is not a photocopy of the signature or form

Looks like you're a Thai immigration officer....

How about a color copy?

Once I had an argument about that when he said I should sign it with a blue pen for the same reason.
Also to him then I asked if he knew of the existence of color copy machines.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pumpuynarak said:

Can anyone explain why it has to be completed in blue ink ?

 

5 hours ago, bigt3116 said:

Easy to see that it is not a photocopy of the signature or form

 

5 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

 

2 hours ago, jcmj said:

Most documents must be signed in blue ink. I don’t remember this being a big deal in the past, but now I have just gotten used to signing everything in blue ink. 

 

1 hour ago, Tubulat said:

Looks like you're a Thai immigration officer....

How about a color copy?

Once I had an argument about that when he said I should sign it with a blue pen for the same reason.
Also to him then I asked if he knew of the existence of color copy machines.

 

So the reality of the situation is ''its just more Thai Immigration B******T''

5 hours ago, Pumpuynarak said:

Can anyone explain why it has to be completed in blue ink ?

yes, must be blue color.

 

because they want to see its not copy. 

1 hour ago, Tubulat said:

Looks like you're a Thai immigration officer....

How about a color copy?

Once I had an argument about that when he said I should sign it with a blue pen for the same reason.
Also to him then I asked if he knew of the existence of color copy machines.

 

color copies are not accepted. easy to see the difference between copy and wet pen writing or wet signature. 

Just now, problemfarang said:

yes, must be blue color.

 

because they want to see its not copy. 

See my reply above, what happens if you don't have access to a colour copier ?

1 minute ago, problemfarang said:

color copies are not accepted. easy to see the difference between copy and wet pen writing or wet signature. 

I learn something everyday lol

2 hours ago, problemfarang said:

color copies are not accepted. easy to see the difference between copy and wet pen writing or wet signature. 

With colour copies easy to distinguish from originals, one wonders why governments have spent hundreds of millions of dollars arranging for the firmware of top end photocopiers to be modified to recognise and refuse to copy legal banknotes.

PLEASE NOTE: All the relevant documents must be certified in blue ink by the relevant party.

 

The Thais just love blue ink, I often wonder what's the significance of it.

 

My only guess is blue ink defines an original not a copy, but these days with high resolution photocopy machines hard to tell the difference between the original and the copy.

Well, after spending 30 ++ yrs in Thailand as a snowbird, so have done many forms and extensions, I never knew that and nobody ever mentioned it. I do always use my own which are good quality biros. Never used *wet * ink. And I’m sure not blue either as I generally buy black. Never had a problem. I’ve never bought property though. 

1 hour ago, geisha said:

Well, after spending 30 ++ yrs in Thailand as a snowbird, so have done many forms and extensions, I never knew that and nobody ever mentioned it. I do always use my own which are good quality biros. Never used *wet * ink. And I’m sure not blue either as I generally buy black. Never had a problem. I’ve never bought property though. 

Misleading at best.

So what "many forms and extensions" have you signed  in front of io for extension and you pull out your BLACK pen as you prefer to use your own perfect pen.

Ridiculous. 

 

i dont know but probably this kind of posts i have read is like.. more than 5 now in 1 year...

and when i read these kind of post im just surprise more and more... and cannot understand why.

 

now there are points we all really get angry to immigration.. or something like this. personally speaking in some complains i agree and in most i dont.

 

now this blue link or blue color pen thing is one of the things i cannot understand why people need to complain about.. 

 

well the first question comes into my mind is why this is so important to ask about this... i mean just use a bloody blue pen! is it so difficult to do so?! 

second is.. if they want you to use blue color.. so what... use it?! again is it too difficult to use a blue color pen?! 

 

i mean people are talking about pen color.. color printer copy... dude, just print and use blue color.. OR just go there and use blue color.. i mean seriously whats so difficult about this.. or so complicated to complain about this or looking for other ways... 

On 6/2/2023 at 11:13 AM, Pumpuynarak said:

So the reality of the situation is ''its just more Thai Immigration B******T''

In exactly the same way as the strict requirement for us Brits to complete our passport renewal forms in BLACK ink "is just more British Government B*****T", do you not agree?

 

14 minutes ago, OJAS said:

In exactly the same way as the strict requirement for us Brits to complete our passport renewal forms in BLACK ink "is just more British Government B*****T", do you not agree?

No.  The UK requirement is technical in nature in that it improves the machine readability of the application form.

 

The Thai requirement, although argueably valid in its day, is now outdated as explained above and should be removed, but there's no gain to them for doing it so it'll likely remain.

On 6/2/2023 at 4:38 PM, DrJack54 said:

Misleading at best.

So what "many forms and extensions" have you signed  in front of io for extension and you pull out your BLACK pen as you prefer to use your own perfect pen.

Ridiculous. 

 

No, I always get the forms before hand for extension and fill in at home, ready to be presented at office with the   Passport / photo etc. Phuket , and Jomtien. Why would I make that up ? As I added, I’ve never bought a property which might require blue ink and * wet* as someone above wrote . Not rubbish. Done this since the 1980s and never been asked for blue ink. 

17 hours ago, OJAS said:

In exactly the same way as the strict requirement for us Brits to complete our passport renewal forms in BLACK ink "is just more British Government B*****T", do you not agree?

 

5555555, i was'nt aware of that but as i always use black ink it would never have been an issue. Yes indeed, its ALL B******T

 

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Why is blue or black ink for legal documents

 

' A blue ink signature is harder to reproduce and easily differentiates an original document. We know color copiers exist, but most financial and legal businesses use standard black ink copiers on a daily basis. Blue ink signatures are easier to distinguish on papers filled with lots of black print.

 

https://candysdirt.com/2021/02/09/title-tip-why-do-closing-documents-need-to-be-signed-in-blue-ink/#:~:text=' A blue ink signature is,with lots of black print.