Has Immigration lost their mind? Retirement Visa Extension requires a 1 year rental contract?

[glegolo18]

15 hours ago, Plern said:

Sorry, no.

 

Most of us are smart enough not to own property

You think most members at Aseanow are tourists here in Thailand??? You do not know that you can own a yellow housebook while living in your wifes house???

[BTB1977]

Name the office and let us know how much you had to but in a brown envelope to get it approved.  That way the next farang will know . It's done all the time. 

[amexpat]

On 6/8/2023 at 9:01 PM, DrJack54 said:

My guess is they want a bribe or you use agent

Same thing. 

 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, amexpat said:

Same thing. 

 

No

[chalawaan]

On 6/8/2023 at 8:23 PM, Jingthing said:

I'm sure some immigration people do read this forum. This was discussed here many years ago.  Likely policy maker types at a higher level to get a feel for what the great unwashed f-rangettis are thinking and doing. Yes, stuff they read here can be used against us.

As far as your personal concern at a provincial office, not likely a problem. 

Monitored for reasons other than immigration, you can take that to the bank. 

Our "visa status" and presence in Thailand is a back back back burner issue for any government of the day. 

In any case, immigration services should be removed from the RTP, they are rubbish at keeping track of us anyway, as the recent Phuket debacle proved. 

[amexpat]

On 6/8/2023 at 10:49 PM, DrJack54 said:

There is no such thing as a retirement visa. 

Please tell the immigration offices, embassy, etc to remove  "Retirement" from their signs, links, etc to avoid confusion. 

 

[4MyEgo]

On 6/8/2023 at 10:45 PM, NotReallyHere said:

There is no early cancellation provision in my rental agreement.  I am told an early cancellation provision in rental contracts is not common in Thailand.

Talk to your landlord to accept that you only want 3 month contract at a time, but immigration want a year contract for you to renew your extension.

 

I don't think he will decline your request to insert a clause in the contract that states that either party can give xyz days, weeks notice for the occupant to move out and the contract becomes null and void, on that day.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by 4MyEgo

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, amexpat said:

Please tell the immigration offices, embassy, etc to remove  "Retirement" from their signs, links, etc to avoid confusion. 

 

I'm not confused.

 

In the visa forums "Retirement Visa" conveys nothing.

 

Could be a Non O-A

Or Non O based on retirement

Could mean Extensions to either of those 2 visas.

Or ME non O retirement.

 

All different.

[FritsSikkink]

20 hours ago, Plern said:

Why is the B always done in Bangkok.?

 

*B is basically the next leg up the visa ladder after tourist btw.

"Why is the B always done in Bangkok.?"

Because i work there.

 

"*B is basically the next leg up the visa ladder after tourist btw."

You have no clue at all.

[amexpat]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm not confused.

 

In the visa forums "Retirement Visa" conveys nothing.

 

Could be a Non O-A

Or Non O based on retirement

Could mean Extensions to either of those 2 visas.

Or ME non O retirement.

 

All different.

So there is no such thing as a Retirement Visa except in its several forms. 

I guess I was confused. 

[connda]

On 6/8/2023 at 7:48 PM, RAZZELL said:

Get a retirement extension in Pattaya and use an agent.

 

Problem solved.

I'm literally 'married to Thailand' as someone who have been married to a Thai women for 15 years who doesn't want to move to America. 
However - if I was a on a retirement visa?  I would have been gone a decade ago and moved to Mexico or The PI or perhaps certain places in South America or even Europe.  I would not be here unless I was married.

Thailand is one of the most unfriendly, foreigner hating countries in the world.  And yet?  Ya'll keep coming, and then complain when the obvious racial discrimination rears its' ugly, nationalistic head.

Hey retired people.  Why are you still here.  This country hates you unless your net value is in the millions. 
My question OP is:  Why are you still here?

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, amexpat said:

So there is no such thing as a Retirement Visa except in its several forms. 

I guess I was confused. 

Stop.

I have explained the term "retirement visa" means and conveys zero information for replies in forum.

You are just being ...

 

If someone requires information often the main thing is current status in Thailand.

Be that extensions or visa or whatever.

"Retirement Visa" means nothing

[DrJack54]

29 minutes ago, connda said:

Hey retired people.  Why are you still here.  This country hates you unless your net value is in the millions. 
My question OP is:  Why are you still here?

Ridiculous post.

I'm living in Thailand on extensions based on retirement from a non O.

Very simple annual extension.

 

Hardly millions .

I maintain 800k baht for the financials. Easy peasy.

 

I don't find Thai people hate me at all.

Quite the opposite.

Very sad post from you. 

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post and the reply to it.

[stat]

On 6/9/2023 at 4:44 PM, DrJack54 said:

That could not occur.

A non O-A visa is valid for one year and is a multi entry visa.

No way known that a lease would be a requirement.

 

In any event the OP has not contributed for 24 hr and never stated immigration office.

Waste of time. 

Just stating a fact. If you do not believe me that is up to you... I even phoned with the "lady" at the embasy, my guess was they wanted me to sign a lease with someone they know back in TH.

 

DrJack your posts in this thread already show a lack of respect of facts retirement visa etc so I guess waste of time to post a reply to your post anyway.

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by stat

[amexpat]

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Stop.

I have explained the term "retirement visa" means and conveys zero information for replies in forum.

You are just being ...

 

If someone requires information often the main thing is current status in Thailand.

Be that extensions or visa or whatever.

"Retirement Visa" means nothing

You are quite right. More specific info is required in order to be helpful to someone with their retirement visa. 

 

I was responding to the smug pedantic few who claim there is no "retirement visa". There are several such visas. 

[watchcat]

23 hours ago, amexpat said:

Please tell the immigration offices, embassy, etc to remove  "Retirement" from their signs, links, etc to avoid confusion. 

 

They actually stamp "Retirement" in the passport if the extensions are based on retirement.

Edited June 11, 2023 by watchcat

[BritTim]

48 minutes ago, watchcat said:

They actually stamp "Retirement" in the passport if the extensions are based on retirement.

In that situation, there is no ambiguity.

 

I completely agree with the view of others that discussion of "retirement visas" needs to be clear about what is meant. There is a huge difference between

• single entry Non O from an embassy/consulate;
• multiple entry Non O from an embassy/consulate;;
• Non O applied for and issued at an immigration office in Thailand;
• Non O-A (always from an embassy/consulate;);
• Non O-X visa;
• extension of stay based on retirement after initial entry with a Non O-A visa;
• extension of stay based on retirement after initial permission to stay based on a regular Non-? visa;; and
• LTR-WP (Long Term Resident Wealthy Pensioner) visa.

All of these (at least informally) can be regarded as "retirement visas". Sometimes, the situation can be inferred by context. Also, we cannot expect members who are asking questions to always be aware that their posts are unclear. Tolerance, and a gentle request for clarification, is all that is required when that happens.

[Maestro]

4 hours ago, watchcat said:

They actually stamp "Retirement" in the passport if the extensions are based on retirement.

That's correct, and this type of extension is generally referred to as retirement extension, which is shorthand for the "extension of temporary stay in the Kingdom for the reason of retirement" for which which an application was submitted with the form TM.7

 

Confusion and ambiguity has arisen because many people and even the website of the Immigration Bureau erroneously use visa to mean "permission to stay", eg visa extension, and this has resulted in the use of the erroneous derivative "retirement visa" to mean retirement extension. As a result, it is often necessary to ask a poster to ask what he really means.

 

The only true and correct use of "retirement visa" I would consider to be any non-immigrant visa received from a Thai embassy or consulate for the purpose of visiting Thailand for the reason of retirement and the non-immigrant visa issued by an immigration office with TM.86 or TM.87 for the reason of retirement in Thailand