Trump says he's been indicted in classified docs probe

[eisfeld]

A grand jury in Florida indicted him and he has to report to the federal court in Miami on Tuesday.

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[Tug]

They better pull his passport and have a government flight crew on his drump airplane to make sure he doesn’t pull a runner I just hope he hasn’t made electronic copy’s of the docs he sold to sell for safe haven 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

The chance that she got both Trump cases from the article:

 

Still, the odds of an indictment being randomly assigned to Judge Cannon were low. There are 15 active Federal District Court judges in South Florida, along with 11 on senior status who are still assigned to hear cases but at a reduced workload‌. Ms. Noble did not immediately respond to an email seeking clarification of what happened.

 

So she won 2 separate 1 in 15 random judge rump case assignments. The NYTimes article is questioning maybe they weren't so random.

 

I think she got it because it was regarded as a continuation of the same case after the special master debacle. She was admonished by the appeals court so she'd be on thin ice.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

They better pull his passport and have a government flight crew on his drump airplane to make sure he doesn’t pull a runner I just hope he hasn’t made electronic copy’s of the docs he sold to sell for safe haven 

Imagine his truth social posts if they do that!

Yes they should.

[Pink Mist]

Off topic Trolling misinformation posts removed 

[jerrymahoney]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I think she got it because it was regarded as a continuation of the same case after the special master debacle. She was admonished by the appeals court so she'd be on thin ice.

From the linked NY Times article:

 

The chief clerk of court for the Southern District of Florida has said that new cases there are randomly delegated to its judges even if they are related to previous ones. 

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1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the linked NY Times article:

 

The chief clerk of court for the Southern District of Florida has said that new cases there are randomly delegated to its judges even if they are related to previous ones. 

But as I recall, when the New York times call the clerk to ask if that's how  this second  selection was done, they got no response.

[jerrymahoney]

46 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But as I recall, when the New York times call the clerk to ask if that's how  this second  selection was done, they got no response.

From the linked NY Times article:

 

Published June 9, 2023Updated June 10, 2023, 12:02 p.m. ET

This article was updated to reflect more detailed information about the usual procedure in the Southern District of Florida for assigning cases to judges.

 

The chief clerk of court for the Southern District of Florida has said that new cases there are randomly delegated to its judges even if they are related to previous ones. It was not immediately clear whether Mr. Trump lucked out, or if an exception was made. Either way, legal specialists said Judge Cannon’s return was significant.

[earlinclaifornia]

16 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I don't want him to run 2024. But not because he scammed some kids who are lost causes anyway if they enrolled in his college. He simply has too much baggage. Time to cut him lose, there's others with similiar policies but better statesmanship. You don't seem to understand why Trump won 2016, not really.

Can you tell us what was the tipping point for you?

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1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the linked NY Times article:

 

Published June 9, 2023Updated June 10, 2023, 12:02 p.m. ET

This article was updated to reflect more detailed information about the usual procedure in the Southern District of Florida for assigning cases to judges.

 

The chief clerk of court for the Southern District of Florida has said that new cases there are randomly delegated to its judges even if they are related to previous ones. It was not immediately clear whether Mr. Trump lucked out, or if an exception was made. Either way, legal specialists said Judge Cannon’s return was significant.

Actually, if you read the article further, it says this:

"Ms. Noble did not immediately respond to an email seeking clarification of what happened."

 

That said, the NY Times has a subsequent article which does feature the clerk's explanation. It turns out that, in practice, there were a lot less judges available. So the odds were considerably less than 15 to 1.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/10/us/politics/judge-aileen-cannon-trump-documents.html

to bypass paywall: https://archive.ph/rXL95

[earlinclaifornia]

This shocked me as the sources is one of the most Conservative possible.

'Damning' Trump Indictment Is Impossible to Read and 'Not Be Appalled,' National Review Editorial Board Says (msn.com)

 

[jerrymahoney]

47 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, if you read the article further, it says this:

"Ms. Noble did not immediately respond to an email seeking clarification of what happened."

 

That said, the NY Times has a subsequent article which does feature the clerk's explanation. It turns out that, in practice, there were a lot less judges available. So the odds were considerably less than 15 to 1.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/10/us/politics/judge-aileen-cannon-trump-documents.html

to bypass paywall: https://archive.ph/rXL95

OK. I did not yet see that one. Loose Cannon on the case. (Haven't seen that obvious one yet)

 

... and Mar-A-Lago is in Palm Beach in the West Palm Beach Court district.

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20 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

This shocked me as the sources is one of the most Conservative possible.

'Damning' Trump Indictment Is Impossible to Read and 'Not Be Appalled,' National Review Editorial Board Says (msn.com)

 

As I noted in another thread, in a Fox News interview legal expert Jonathan Turley called the indictment "damning". He is one of the very few legal experts who thought Durham had strong cases, who supported Aline Cannon's appointing of a special master, and who thinks that Alvin Bragg's prosecution of Trump is political. Yet when it comes to this case, even he thinks it looks very, very bad for Trump.

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[Pink Mist]

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[jerrymahoney]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As I noted in another thread, in a Fox News interview legal expert Jonathan Turley called the indictment "damning". He is one of the very few legal experts who thought Durham had strong cases, who supported Aline Cannon's appointing of a special master, and who thinks that Alvin Bragg's prosecution of Trump is political. Yet when it comes to this case, even he thinks it looks very, very bad for Trump.

The Republican National Convention is in Milwaukee July 15 to 18, 2024 at the Fiserv Forum.

 

In one sense, all DJT has to do is motion upon motion this thing to stall it out until then.

[earlinclaifornia]

His party is firmly supporting him after these inditements. Moving away from his hold is not going to happen. The sliver of hope is if many more competitors join in the Christy, Asa and Cheney position.

Not at all likely but stranger things have happened.

[Pink Mist]

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[eisfeld]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

As I noted in another thread, in a Fox News interview legal expert Jonathan Turley called the indictment "damning". He is one of the very few legal experts who thought Durham had strong cases, who supported Aline Cannon's appointing of a special master, and who thinks that Alvin Bragg's prosecution of Trump is political. Yet when it comes to this case, even he thinks it looks very, very bad for Trump.

It could be a bit of a turning point. I haven't before seen as many Trump supporters turn away from him as in the past days and weeks. When looking at the people who still try to argue in favor of him in this thread the arguments they present are so far out there ("were just personal letters to Kim Jong Un", "the FBI planted things", "he declassified documents so it's totally fine to have plans of a secret nuclear program lying around a place where thousands of random people go in and out") plus the severity of the matter being so high that I notice former Trump supporters seeing the end of the road at last.

 

The risk for the republican party to support him is growing over time as the stakes are getting raised and things escalate more and more into extremes. I'm just an outside observer and support neither democrats nor republicans but imho the republicans would be wise to drop him at this point and regroup behind someone less extreme. They should have enough good policies to rally people behind instead of playing this dangerous game of escalating tensions in the foundations of society.

[ThailandRyan]

Just saw this and thought to myself " who would have thunk this" surely not his supporters. He is being thrown under the bus.

 

Donald Trump arrested: MSNBC host warns former president leaks are coming from inside his house

 

The Morning Joe host said on Friday the former president should be worried about colleagues and friends spilling his close secrets.

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More evidence of Trump's wise decision making:

 

Donald Trump Just Got Dumped by His Lawyer Again

Donald Trump is bleeding lawyers as quickly as he needs them, with Jim Trusty—once representing the former president in both his criminal documents case and a defamation lawsuit—motioning to end his relationship with Trump altogether on Friday.

Trusty wrote in a motion that he was dropping Trump as a client in his defamation suit against CNN because of “irreconcilable differences” that made it impossible for him to “effectively and properly represent” him.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-just-got-dumped-by-his-lawyer-jim-trusty-again

[ThailandRyan]

He keeps on attacking Jack Smith and deflecting.  Wasn't he ordered to cease and desist, or did I miss him being able to attack the defense and witnesses.

 

Trump Drops New Video Attacking Prosecutor Who Got Him Arrested — With 16 Second Rant About Biden Probe (msn.com)

 

The former president is reported to be extremely worried following his arrest and arraignment on 37 counts related to violations of the Espionage Act, the product of an investigation spearheaded by Smith. If convicted, he faces what amounts to a life sentence.

 

Trump has consistently tried to accuse Biden of “having me arrested,” but fact-checkers and other journalists have just as consistently pointed out that the Justice Department and Smith are independent of the White House.

[Bkk Brian]

Not surprising otherwise he would be leaking it all over Truth Social.

 

DOJ seeks protective order to prevent Trump from releasing classified materials amid ongoing investigation

The suggested protective order, which will be reviewed by Judge Bruce Reinhart, would allow Trump to review the 31 documents the DOJ is using in the case only while in the presence of his attorneys.

“Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material. Defendants may take notes regarding Discovery Materials, but such notes shall be stored securely by Defense Counsel,” the DOJ wrote.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4054194-justice-files-for-protective-order-to-prevent-trump-from-releasing-classified-materials/

[ThailandRyan]

The far right are still in a state of denial as far as things go.  Just watched a video interview with a reporter who was in the court room audience seated just behind the secret service.  Her comments seem to echo those of Trumps inner circle,, which have been posted before, that he seems pretty concerned about these charges.  She indicated that Trump never looked back from the judge, never looked at Jack Smith and only leaned over to whisper to his attorney, all the while clenching his jaw.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reporter-who-sat-behind-trump-at-arraignment-i-ve-never-seen-that-kind-of-expression-on-donald-trump-before/vi-AA1cGyoU?ocid=msedgntp

 

Wall Street Journal reporter Deborah Acosta describes her observations while sitting directly behind Donald Trump at his Miami arraignment on Tuesday. "When he got up and turned to leave the courtroom, he was looking down at the ground and he was pressing his lips, pursing them tightly together," she tells Alex Witt. "And then the corners of his mouth just dropped into the deepest frown I've ever seen on anyone in my entire life."

[GroveHillWanderer]

The stupidest thing about this whole affair (to me at least) is the fact that this is a problem entirely of Trump's own making. If he had just returned the documents when asked, like so many of his advisors were telling him to (or like Biden and Pence did) he would not be having any of these current problems.

 

As pointed out in the article below:

 

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Trump time and again rejected the advice from lawyers and advisers who urged him to cooperate [...] They note that Trump was not charged for any documents he returned voluntarily.

Trump rejected lawyers’ efforts to avoid classified documents indictment

[eisfeld]

Turns out that even if Trumps imaginary declassification of documents somehow would stick there's just a wee little problem for him: even a president can't declassify nuclear secrets.

 

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Even when he was president, Donald Trump lacked the legal authority to declassify a U.S. nuclear weapons-related document that he is charged with illegally possessing, security experts said, contrary to the former U.S. president’s claim.

The secret document, listed as No. 19 in the indictment charging Trump with endangering national security, can under the Atomic Energy Act only be declassified through a process that by the statute involves the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lacked-power-declassify-secret-nuclear-arms-document-experts-say-2023-06-18/

[stevenl]

A non disclosure order has been issued.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/19/donald-trump-classified-documents-evidence-restrictions

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

A non disclosure order has been issued.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/19/donald-trump-classified-documents-evidence-restrictions

From the link:

 

"A Florida judge handed prosecutors in Donald Trump’s classified documents lawsuit a significant victory on Monday by ruling the former president cannot publicly disclose any of the evidence against him."

 

The ultimate test for Trump:  Can he keep his mouth shut?

 

The smart money is on "No!".

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

"A Florida judge handed prosecutors in Donald Trump’s classified documents lawsuit a significant victory on Monday by ruling the former president cannot publicly disclose any of the evidence against him."

Note that on the Court docket this motion is listed as an unopposed motion:

 

ORDER granting Unopposed Motion for Protective Order as to Donald J. Trump (1), Waltine Nauta (2). Signed by Magistrate Judge Bruce E. Reinhart  Magistrate Judge Bruce E. Reinhart.

 

From the motion request to the Court: 

The government has conferred with counsel for Defendant Donald J. Trump and Defendant Waltine Nauta, who have no objections to this motion or the  protective order.

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[heybruce]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Note that on the Court docket this motion is listed as an unopposed motion:

 

ORDER granting Unopposed Motion for Protective Order as to Donald J. Trump (1), Waltine Nauta (2). Signed by Magistrate Judge Bruce E. Reinhart  Magistrate Judge Bruce E. Reinhart.

 

From the motion request to the Court: 

The government has conferred with counsel for Defendant Donald J. Trump and Defendant Waltine Nauta, who have no objections to this motion or the  protective order.

I don't think what his lawyers did or did not do will be a factor when Trump decides to start running his mouth without engaging his brain.

[jerrymahoney]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

I don't think what his lawyers did or did not do will be a factor when Trump decides to start running his mouth without engaging his brain.

I was really only responding to the notion that an 'unopposed motion' that was drafted in consultation with the defense is a "significant victory" for the prosecution.