"Biden is trying to jail his leading political opponent"

[mikebike]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Don't you think it might be because he is President?

Impeach him. It's a political process. GOP controls the house. Why rant to the media when you have the power to crush Biden? 

 

Oh, I know... That pesky evidence thang ????????

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Don't you think it might be because he is President?

These allegations were floating around for the entire time that Trump was president.

[GroveHillWanderer]

21 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I've no idea who Comer is. 

Comer is the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee, the body that is being used to propagate all the (as yet unfounded) allegations about a Biden influence peddling scheme.

 

So you're basically responding to a post about the allegations against Joe Biden and admitting to being clueless about the entire basis of the subject.

[xylophone]

22 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Don't you think it might be because he is President?

Duh.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Comer is the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee, the body that is being used to propagate all the (as yet unfounded) allegations about a Biden influence peddling scheme.

 

So you're basically responding to a post about the allegations against Joe Biden and admitting to being clueless about the entire basis of the subject.

Thanks. 

Was the personal flame necessary?

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Thanks. 

Was the personal flame necessary?

Well, if you don't know who Comer is, maybe we should just say that you are profoundly unacquainted with the facts?

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Thanks. 

Was the personal flame necessary?

You commented on a case in which Comer has been the chief antagonist of late and yet you didn't know who he is. People have a right to be skeptical about how well informed you are on the matter.

Edited June 13, 2023 by ozimoron

[Neeranam]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You commented on a case in which Comer has been the chief antagonist of late and yet you didn't know who he is. People have a right to be skeptical about how well informed you are on the matter.

What has Comer got to do with this case?  

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What has Comer got to do with this case?  

Incoming GOP chair says House investigation into Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents ‘will not be a priority’

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/19/politics/comer-trump-documents-house-oversight/index.html

 

Comer: House won't investigate Trump classified docs despite Biden probe

 

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/15/comer-trump-classified-docs-investigation

 

Comer Presses Remus on White House’s Unraveling Narrative About Biden’s Stashed Classified Documents

 

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-presses-remus-on-white-houses-unraveling-narrative-about-bidens-stashed-classified-documents/

 

GOP House Oversight Chair Can’t Explain Why He’s Investigating Biden Classified Docs But Not Trump’s

"Do you only care about classified documents being mishandled when Democrats do the mishandling?" Jake Tapper asked the congressman

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gop-oversight-chair-james-comer-biden-trump-classified-documents-hypocrisy-1234661634/

[pedro01]

15 hours ago, billd766 said:

President Biden does not have handlers.

 

What he and every other POTUS had/have are advisors who are specialists within their own skills.

 

Just about every POTUS, with the exception of Trump, rely on their advisors for information and suggestions and mostly follow their advice.

 

OTOH, Trump, who claims that he knows more about every single subject than anybody else, went his own way and simply cannot comprehend why he was so wrong.

So what does Biden mean when he says things like "They won't let me answer questions today" - who is the "we" that is telling him what to do?

 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

So what does Biden mean when he says things like "They won't let me answer questions today" - who is the "we" that is telling him what to do?

 

He means he had intended not to answer questions and probably told his minders that he wouldn't be doing so but decided to answer them anyway. There's not actually much to see here.

Edited June 13, 2023 by ozimoron

[Neeranam]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Incoming GOP chair says House investigation into Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents ‘will not be a priority’

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/19/politics/comer-trump-documents-house-oversight/index.html

 

Comer: House won't investigate Trump classified docs despite Biden probe

 

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/15/comer-trump-classified-docs-investigation

 

Comer Presses Remus on White House’s Unraveling Narrative About Biden’s Stashed Classified Documents

 

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-presses-remus-on-white-houses-unraveling-narrative-about-bidens-stashed-classified-documents/

 

GOP House Oversight Chair Can’t Explain Why He’s Investigating Biden Classified Docs But Not Trump’s

"Do you only care about classified documents being mishandled when Democrats do the mishandling?" Jake Tapper asked the congressman

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gop-oversight-chair-james-comer-biden-trump-classified-documents-hypocrisy-1234661634/

Thanks. 

 

I  thought that committee was only to investigate the government.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Thanks. 

 

I  thought that committee was only to investigate the government.

That committee was only to shore up the base for the next election.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I've no idea who Comer is. 

 

It shouldn't be up to the Republicans to arrest Biden if he has taken bribes. 

 

 

You admit you don't follow the news yet you keep posting and confirming you don't follow the news. 

 

Wouldn't your time be better spent actually following the news?

[Walker88]

On 6/10/2023 at 11:18 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

How can a President not have the power to see classified docs?

There are very good reasons why there is a system and procedure for the declassification of documents, not the least of which when a POTUS is an ignorant, mendacious, self-serving idiot like trump.

 

Classification often involves data critical to US national security. trump stole documents that contained such data as US nuclear weapons capability, US military vulnerabilities, the strengths and weaknesses of both US allies and adversaries, Order of Battle if the US were to engage in a war, and identities of clandestine assets who work with US intelligence. That is the nature of docs classified as---per the indictment---TS/SCI, Codeword, SAP, HCS and RD.

 

What possible reason would the owner of a country club have for such documents?

 

If any repub actually believes trump declassified anything (the paper trail---a requirement---doesn't exist), then let's publish every last one of the documents. Let the repubs live with that.

 

Of course only the most addled brain miscreants in the Party---which is to say about 95% of R House members---would agree. Even Miss Lindsey would hem and haw and not be in favor of that.

 

No POTUS, even a competent one (which trump never was) can know the full extent of the threat or damage declassification can do. That is why each and every document must first be vetted by agency heads, redacted if necessary, and approved or disapproved. WH Counsel supervises that procedure, and a detailed paper trail would exist for every single document. NONE of that exists. trump lied.

 

Twenty some odd years ago Pres Clinton initiated a procedure to declassify the operation that has come to be called Argo, where Tony Mendez (his wife constructed my disguise when I was at the agency) set up a fake film company as part of the ruse to get six US diplomats out of Iran. The process took some time, but Clinton followed the required procedures. It is now public information, and led to an Oscar-winning movie.

 

That^ is how actual declassification is done, not "in my mind" and not after a POTUS has lost an election and left office.

[billd766]

39 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

So what does Biden mean when he says things like "They won't let me answer questions today" - who is the "we" that is telling him what to do?

 

What a stupid question.

 

Why ask me? How would I know?

 

Why not send a message asking President Biden's team? They will have a far better idea than ANYONE here in Thailand as they work with him every day.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, pedro01 said:

So what does Biden mean when he says things like "They won't let me answer questions today" - who is the "we" that is telling him what to do?

 

Is this what you're referring to?

“You guys are bad. I’m not supposed to be answering all these questions,” the president said. “I’m supposed to leave, but I can’t resist your questions.”

https://nypost.com/2021/05/13/biden-to-press-im-not-supposed-to-be-answering-all-these-questions/

[onthedarkside]

Troll post removed.

[heybruce]

On 6/10/2023 at 7:18 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 

"Trump said that 'the ridiculous and baseless indictment… will go down as one the worst abuses of power on record.'

'This vicious persecution is a travesty of justice,' Trump insisted. 'You're watching Joe Biden [try] to jail his leading political opponent – an opponent that is beating him by a lot in the polls – just like they do in Stalin-ist Russia, or communist China. No different.'

'Our country has gone very bad. Just think of it – in three years.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12181341/Trump-attends-rally-Georgia-indicted.html

 

Seems I am an odd one out. I am about the only forum user here that just cannot comprehend how an ex President having some classified documents in safe storage while negotiating their return is the worst crime ever, while the senator and career politician that is persecuting his political opponent with a weaponized DOJ can have classified docs strewn around several unsecure locations including a house rented by his chummy with multiple foreign adversaries drug addict son and it is the GOLD STANDARD of good storage and certainly not a crime. I just don't buy it, sorry.

 

How can a President not have the power to see classified docs? How can a senator have more legal ability than a President to have classified documents at home? Why was Trump's classified document scandal dealt with by dozens of hysterical threads yet when it was known biden did the same an urgent message appeared stating it's absolutely normal for govt people to have classified docs at home no big deal? Is a vindictive 3rd world justice system used to attack political opponents really in the left's best interest after the euphoria wears off?

 

 Seeing America hurtle toward civil war thanks to a broken justice system is heartbreaking but not in the least surprising. 

"How can a President not have the power to see classified docs?"

 

Trump is no longer President. 

 

Considering his reckless disregard for classified, and many other things, that is a very good thing.

[ThailandRyan]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"How can a President not have the power to see classified docs?"

 

Trump is no longer President. 

 

Considering his reckless disregard for classified, and many other things, that is a very good thing.

Yet in his mind he believes he is still the POTUS and is only in a Time out that will be overturned one day when he is reinstated.....in his mind.  He really does need some kind of help in seeing the light at the end of the tunnel like some of well make that all of his followers.  I am not a Republican, nor a Democrat, and I hate politics, yet as a retired former LEO with a Military background, his taking of documents against the PRA and without turning them over to the National Archives should be prosecuted.  If he takes a plea deal, he will have technically been found guilty, and as such under he 14th amendment be ineligible to run or take office.  His followers just do not understand this.

 

Once again Biden is not trying to jail the Donald, it is the legal system and the DOJ, and outside of Bidens control, ie... Jack Smith who is a is a Special Counsel. Smith is outside of the DOJ in regards to his investigations.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_counsel

 

The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and—

 

(a) That investigation or prosecution of that person or matter by a United States Attorney's Office or litigating Division of the Department of Justice would present a conflict of interest for the Department or other extraordinary circumstances; and

 

(b) That under the circumstances, it would be in the public interest to appoint an outside Special Counsel to assume responsibility for the matter.

 

The attorney general sets the subject jurisdiction of the special counsel:

The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

If he takes a plea deal, he will have technically been found guilty, and as such under he 14th amendment be ineligible to run or take office.  His followers just do not understand this.

What Is the Disqualification Clause?
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

 

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

[placeholder]

Here's some more comment from Jonathan Turley, the legal expert who has previously backed the Trump cause in every instance.

Fox News’s Turley: Trump could face ‘terminal sentence’ if DOJ proves even one count

Now, we have not heard their other side. Generally, the indictments are a lot stronger on the day they are issued than on the next day, so they may be able to knock down some of these issues,” Turley said. “But some of the evidence is coming from his former counsel, and these are very damaging statements made against him.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4045592-fox-news-turley-trump-could-face-terminal-sentence-if-doj-proves-even-one-count/

[jerrymahoney]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

“But some of the evidence is coming from his former counsel, and these are very damaging statements made against him.

How a Trump-Appointed Judge Could Influence His Documents Case
Judge Aileen M. Cannon will wield sweeping power over the case’s tempo and what evidence to allow in or exclude.

 

During the investigation, Judge Beryl A. Howell of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the exception applied, forcing Mr. Trump’s lawyers to provide information to the grand jury. But Judge Cannon is not bound by Judge Howell’s decisions when it comes to what information should be presented to a jury.

During pretrial motions, if Mr. Trump’s lawyers ask Judge Cannon to suppress the evidence to protect attorney-client privilege and she does so, prosecutors could appeal — but that would further delay the case.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/us/judge-aileen-cannon-trump-trial.html

 

https://archive.is/sm8Jm

Edited June 13, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

How a Trump-Appointed Judge Could Influence His Documents Case
Judge Aileen M. Cannon will wield sweeping power over the case’s tempo and what evidence to allow in or exclude.

 

During the investigation, Judge Beryl A. Howell of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the exception applied, forcing Mr. Trump’s lawyers to provide information to the grand jury. But Judge Cannon is not bound by Judge Howell’s decisions when it comes to what information should be presented to a jury.

During pretrial motions, if Mr. Trump’s lawyers ask Judge Cannon to suppress the evidence to protect attorney-client privilege and she does so, prosecutors could appeal — but that would further delay the case.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/us/judge-aileen-cannon-trump-trial.html

 

https://archive.is/sm8Jm

No doubt that she could trash the whole ting.

[earlinclaifornia]

Some amount of GOP shifting, ie Haley,, Scott and the first Governor (Oklahoma) to endorse DeSantis. Time will tell...  

[heybruce]

25 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

How a Trump-Appointed Judge Could Influence His Documents Case
Judge Aileen M. Cannon will wield sweeping power over the case’s tempo and what evidence to allow in or exclude.

 

During the investigation, Judge Beryl A. Howell of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the exception applied, forcing Mr. Trump’s lawyers to provide information to the grand jury. But Judge Cannon is not bound by Judge Howell’s decisions when it comes to what information should be presented to a jury.

During pretrial motions, if Mr. Trump’s lawyers ask Judge Cannon to suppress the evidence to protect attorney-client privilege and she does so, prosecutors could appeal — but that would further delay the case.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/us/judge-aileen-cannon-trump-trial.html

 

https://archive.is/sm8Jm

So all Trump needs is a good lawyer.  Could be a problem:

 

"Donald Trump spent the day before his historic appearance in federal court scrambling to find a qualified Florida lawyer willing to join his defense team as he faces the Justice Department’s first prosecution of a former president."

 

"Several prominent Florida attorneys declined to take Trump on as a client after two of the key lawyers handling the documents matter — Jim Trusty and John Rowley — resigned last week, according to people familiar with the matter."

 

"Trusty and Rowley’s departure was sudden and unexpected, leaving Trump jockeying to identify a lawyer ahead of his Tuesday appearance in federal court in Miami, where rules require practicing attorneys to be a member in good standing of the Florida bar or to be sponsored by one before appearing."  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/12/trump-documents-lawyer/

[jerrymahoney]

13 hours ago, heybruce said:

"Trusty and Rowley’s departure was sudden and unexpected, leaving Trump jockeying to identify a lawyer ahead of his Tuesday appearance in federal court in Miami, where rules require practicing attorneys to be a member in good standing of the Florida bar or to be sponsored by one before appearing." 

Trump's legal team downplays Tuesday's arraignment as simply "procedural"
According to sources familiar with the planning, Trump is expected to be joined by lawyers Todd Blanche and Chris Kise. Meetings with local attorneys are continuing. 

 

But for now, he's leaning on Blanche, who he sees as a "killer," and Kise, who knows Florida, to help him navigate this terrain. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/live-coverage-trump-arraignment-miami-court-federal-indictment/

 

 

[pedro01]

On 6/13/2023 at 12:49 PM, placeholder said:

Is this what you're referring to?

“You guys are bad. I’m not supposed to be answering all these questions,” the president said. “I’m supposed to leave, but I can’t resist your questions.”

https://nypost.com/2021/05/13/biden-to-press-im-not-supposed-to-be-answering-all-these-questions/

 

 

At the end, he references getting in trouble for going off script. In trouble with who, exactly? It's why I don't get the line "Biden is trying to Jail Trump" - I don't think Biden has anything to do with it. It's his handlers that are clearly pulling the strings. 

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by pedro01

[Tug]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:36 PM, pedro01 said:

So what does Biden mean when he says things like "They won't let me answer questions today" - who is the "we" that is telling him what to do?

 

Most likely the incredible team we have working for us advised him not to answer 

[billd766]

On 6/13/2023 at 4:28 PM, placeholder said:

No doubt that she could trash the whole ting.

Equally no doubt that her ruling could be overturned on appeal.