Detoxing from Marijuana

[stoner]

i detox every night for a couple hours while i sleep. 

[EVENKEEL]

On 8/12/2023 at 9:27 PM, Pumpuynarak said:

Bingo, i've been consuming since i was 15 yo and i'm now 73yo. In that time i've stopped smoking it numerous times for years at a time. Its not addictive, end of story.

If you use it for a sleeping aid and quit there is a bit of sleeplessness till you get it sorted out.

[Pumpuynarak]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

If you use it for a sleeping aid and quit there is a bit of sleeplessness till you get it sorted out.

We are all different in how we respond to not smoking it anymore, i've never had a problem when i've packed it in over the years.

[Tropicalevo]

18 hours ago, Irish star said:

Mostly the alcoholics who hate pot smokers 

Where is the evidence for that please? I could not find any.

[bamnutsak]

9 hours ago, rice555 said:

Why not post on the medical/self help forum where people would look for

such info?????

 

Agreed.

 

Or the Mods could start a pinned thread here where all these concerned members can post about Cannabis Addiction issues and how to obtain help.

 

Title: I Smoke too Much Cannabis.

 

 

For the OP, are there Cannabis Addicts Anonymous meeting locations in Thailand? That might have been a good thing to add to the original post?

 

And if there are, do you bring donuts?

 

 

 

There is a small, select group here who feel the need to tell everyone how dangerous and addictive cannabis is. I honestly do not understand their reasons for telling other people how to make life choices? They may have their own demons and struggles and this sort of behavior helps them cope with their own challenges. 

 

People claim addictions to all sorts of things: energy drinks, too much exercise, sex, porn, Cheetos, food, work, video games, phone/social media. If they want help they can find it.

 

Must stop, Garretts Chicago Mix. Very addictive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bobbin]

54 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Agreed.

 

Or the Mods could start a pinned thread here where all these concerned members can post about Cannabis Addiction issues and how to obtain help.

 

Title: I Smoke too Much Cannabis.

 

 

For the OP, are there Cannabis Addicts Anonymous meeting locations in Thailand? That might have been a good thing to add to the original post?

 

And if there are, do you bring donuts?

 

 

 

There is a small, select group here who feel the need to tell everyone how dangerous and addictive cannabis is. I honestly do not understand their reasons for telling other people how to make life choices? They may have their own demons and struggles and this sort of behavior helps them cope with their own challenges. 

 

People claim addictions to all sorts of things: energy drinks, too much exercise, sex, porn, Cheetos, food, work, video games, phone/social media. If they want help they can find it.

 

Must stop, Garretts Chicago Mix. Very addictive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haters are going to hate, that's what they do...

 

On a happier note, Germany is about to legalize recreational weed. Probably within the next 30 days. Basically a done deal..

 

Good ammunition for Anutin..

 

Only thing being complained about, is that the police are saying "don't burden us with lots of petty restrictions on a (proposed) legal product"   ????

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Agreed.

 

Or the Mods could start a pinned thread here where all these concerned members can post about Cannabis Addiction issues and how to obtain help.

 

Title: I Smoke too Much Cannabis.

 

 

For the OP, are there Cannabis Addicts Anonymous meeting locations in Thailand? That might have been a good thing to add to the original post?

 

And if there are, do you bring donuts?

 

 

 

There is a small, select group here who feel the need to tell everyone how dangerous and addictive cannabis is. I honestly do not understand their reasons for telling other people how to make life choices? They may have their own demons and struggles and this sort of behavior helps them cope with their own challenges. 

 

People claim addictions to all sorts of things: energy drinks, too much exercise, sex, porn, Cheetos, food, work, video games, phone/social media. If they want help they can find it.

 

Must stop, Garretts Chicago Mix. Very addictive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm far from a hater, in fact one of my favourite songs is Legalize It by Peter Tosh.

Spent months on a Koh Panga beach in 1992 smoking weed and was the main reason I stayed. 

That said, I know many who have relapsed from recovery from alcohol addiction by thinking cannabis was harmless. One friend died. 

I feel its important to remind people that just because it suddenly, miraculously became legal in Thailand, it can be dangerous for some. 

I agree that most smokers will have no serious consequences, apart from eating too many donuts, or antisocial behaviour. Paranoia can also be harmful. 

I doubt there are Marijuana Anonymous meetings in Thailand, just as the are no Sex Addicts Anonymous. That doesn't mean they're are no addicts! 

I don't smoke ganja as I find it better getting to the root of my problems, rather than use a substance as a crutch, like I did for 20 years since age 14.

I'm not telling anyone anything apart from there is help if wanted. If not wanted, just ignore. 

 

 

 

[bamnutsak]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I'm far from a hater

I did not call you a "hater". 

 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I feel its important to remind people

Why do you feel this is important? 

 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I'm not telling anyone anything apart from there is help if wanted.

Where?

 

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I doubt there are Marijuana Anonymous meetings in Thailand,

 

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

or antisocial behaviour. Paranoia can also be harmful. 

Yeah, you're not a hater. You just like calling people anti-social.

 

 

[Pumpuynarak]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I'm far from a hater, in fact one of my favourite songs is Legalize It by Peter Tosh.

Spent months on a Koh Panga beach in 1992 smoking weed and was the main reason I stayed. 

That said, I know many who have relapsed from recovery from alcohol addiction by thinking cannabis was harmless. One friend died. 

I feel its important to remind people that just because it suddenly, miraculously became legal in Thailand, it can be dangerous for some. 

I agree that most smokers will have no serious consequences, apart from eating too many donuts, or antisocial behaviour. Paranoia can also be harmful. 

I doubt there are Marijuana Anonymous meetings in Thailand, just as the are no Sex Addicts Anonymous. That doesn't mean they're are no addicts! 

I don't smoke ganja as I find it better getting to the root of my problems, rather than use a substance as a crutch, like I did for 20 years since age 14.

I'm not telling anyone anything apart from there is help if wanted. If not wanted, just ignore. 

 

 

 

I would seriously question that.......

[Neeranam]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

If you use it for a sleeping aid and quit there is a bit of sleeplessness till you get it sorted out.

Sleeplessness never killed anyone. 

[daveAustin]

23 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

How can you "detox" from something that's not toxic?

 

That's like asking how do I detox from fresh air, sunshine, good sex, healthy food and daily exercise. ????

Smoked weed is a bit more cloudy than fresh air, old bean. 

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, Pumpuynarak said:

I would seriously question that.......

Not sure why. This is my personal experience and observation.

When I smoke dope, I find it very hard to socialize due to paranoia. 

I have very dear old friends who have used for 40 years and on a recent visit to the UK, they were very reluctant to meet up with the rest of the crowd. 

However, I found they were much more interesting to be with than the drunks ???? 

[Neeranam]

There is a rehab in Thailand.

 

https://thedawnrehab.com/marijuana-addiction-treatment/

 

I also know a government place which is much cheaper. 

[Pumpuynarak]

22 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Smoked weed is a bit more cloudy than fresh air, old bean. 

Not in Thailand where fresh air is hard to come by lol

[pomchop]

Having done a lot of booze and a lot of pot for decades....if you ask me which would i most like to be done beacuse i think it causes my body and mind more harm and is the hardest to give up? 

 

the answer is pretty simple for me: no more booze.

 

will i do it?  probably not but i  have been trying to cut back on  booze at least some...and for me that is way more difficult to do then cut back on pot...i have certainly see the best and worst of both

 

that is my personal experience...yours may vary...

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, pomchop said:

Having done a lot of booze and a lot of pot for decades....if you ask me which would i most like to be done beacuse i think it causes my body and mind more harm and is the hardest to give up? 

 

the answer is pretty simple for me: no more booze.

 

will i do it?  probably not but i  have been trying to cut back on  booze at least some...and for me that is way more difficult to do then cut back on pot...i have certainly see the best and worst of both

 

that is my personal experience...yours may vary...

Same as me,  but I have quit the booze, by FAR the worse. 

 

Interestingly, the way I quit booze is spiritual in nature.

Some say that ganja is helpful in gaining a spiritual experience, others say it isn't. In my time in India, met many Sadhus who smoked dope, and many others who said it was detrimental to enlightenment. 

Bill Wilson, the founder of AA, which is what Marijuana Anonymous is based on, used LSD in his sobriety. 

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

That's not "science".

 

Psychiatrists don't DIRECTLY OBSERVE OR MEASURE THE VERY ORGAN THEY CLAIM TO BE TREATING:

 

THE HUMAN BRAIN

 

They base their conclusions on heresay, which is not factual, only subjective opinions.

 

I don't believe you are qualified to discuss "science" because you have no QUALIFICATIONS, EDUCATION OR TRAINING IN SCIENCE and are just some random weirdo who hates weed because you're an uptight Puritan. ????

Oh my, 

[rice555]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

There is a rehab in Thailand.

 

https://thedawnrehab.com/marijuana-addiction-treatment/

 

I also know a government place which is much cheaper. 

Again, why don't you have the mods move it to the health/self-improvement

forum where people would look for this info? To use another analogy from a

different vice, you remind me of a drunk crying in your beer.

[Neeranam]

17 minutes ago, rice555 said:

To use another analogy from a

different vice, you remind me of a drunk crying in your beer.

You are imaging things man. 

I don't think ganja is a vice, and don't know why you do. 

What has a drunk crying into his beer got to do with anything I've posted? 

 

[Neeranam]

7 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

Where is the evidence for that please? I could not find any.

I'm confused with that response too. 

[Neeranam]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

There is strong evidence that cannabis use may precipitate schizophrenia or exacerbate its symptoms. There is also reasonable evidence that cannabis use exacerbates the symptoms of psychosis (37).

Wow, I never knew this. 

Looks like a credible source. 

I've been telling my kids, who are legal age, that smoking ganja is OK. 

I'll have to rethink as there is a history of psychiatric illness in my family. 

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Wow, I never knew this. 

Looks like a credible source. 

I've been telling my kids, who are legal age, that smoking ganja is OK. 

I'll have to rethink as there is a history of psychiatric illness in my family. 

Well those who have high tolerance can claim they are not affected of it, because it becomes their daily normal.

 

For others, it involves alot more than just become normal, and Im very sensetive to every substance possible as well legimit medicine. Everyone speaks for themselves, but the peer rewieved science have the facts, and you just cant hide that. 

 

Anyway, for those who have the tolerance for using it daily, it is better than many other things, but does it improve their health more than compared to if they did put the effort in to more healthy habits like hitting the gym, eat healthy stay away from sugar, and whats maybe the reasons why they have to smoke daily to feel normal. 

 

It is a reality escape no matter whay say. Cannabis do not solve their problem, it masks their problems like any other drug. Enough said, 

[PanC]

There is a place in Chiang Mai called The Hills Rehab. You can check out there website.

 

https://thehillsrehabchiangmai.com/en/index.php
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100094357243316

[YaiJung]

JHC, rehab for weed?!  What is next, halfway house for six months to get off coffee and cigs? 

[1sickpuppy]

On 8/15/2023 at 1:42 AM, Hummin said:

Well, maybe science is wrong here to, or is it just another fabricated bull pie? More than 400 chemicals that plays in, and gives you a high is not toxic or making you addicted? Why most of the long term users I know never stop, even it impacts their daily lives like other substances that people use more than recrationally? 

 

Cannabis Dependence and Tolerance

Cannabinoids appear to affect the same reward systems as alcohol, cocaine and opioids (34).Evidence for cannabis dependence is now available from epidemiological studies (6, 8) of long-term users (58, 59), clinical populations (75, 77) and controlled experiments on withdrawal and tolerance (35, 36, 37, 38). Tolerance to cannabis can occur in relation to mood, psychomotor performance, sleep, arterial pressure, body temperature, and antiemetic properties. The critical elements of cannabis dependence include preoccupation with its use, compulsion to use and relapse or recurrent use of the substance (39). Over 50% of cannabis users appear to have ‘impaired control’ over their use (40).Symptoms such as irritability, anxiety, craving and disrupted sleep have been reported in 61-96% of cannabis users during abstinence (36, 41, 42, 43).

Psychiatric Conditions Associated with Cannabis Abuse

In addition to producing dependence, cannabis use is associated with a wide range of psychiatric disorders (44).While there is a clear relationship between the use of cannabis and psychosis, different hypotheses for the same have been propounded. One such, which describes psychosis occurring exclusively with cannabis use has limited evidence. There is strong evidence that cannabis use may precipitate schizophrenia or exacerbate its symptoms. There is also reasonable evidence that cannabis use exacerbates the symptoms of psychosis (37).

Heavy cannabis(30-50mg oral and 8-30 mg smoked) use can specifically cause a mania-like psychosis and more generally act as a precipitant for manic relapse in bipolar patients (37, 44, 45). It is possible that cannabis exposure is a contributing factor that interacts with other known and unknown (genetic and environmental) factors culminating in psychiatric illness (46). It is noticed that in many developed countries, persons with severe mental disorders are more likely to use, abuse, and become dependent on psychoactive substances especially cannabis as compared to the general population (47, 48).The same phenomenon has not been established so far in India.

 

Read all 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3570572/

another _diot im 62 smoked since 14 years old stopped for nearly 20 years before they legalized it here, i physological same as Ciggs i gave up overnight after 15 years ago ciggs . some people are just weak, maybe the long term ones did not want to stop is way better 4 you than alcohol, plus you do not want to fight anyone like drunken idiots

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, 1sickpuppy said:

another _diot im 62 smoked since 14 years old stopped for nearly 20 years before they legalized it here, i physological same as Ciggs i gave up overnight after 15 years ago ciggs . some people are just weak, maybe the long term ones did not want to stop is way better 4 you than alcohol, plus you do not want to fight anyone like drunken idiots

Most people are weak one way another!

 

Why people smoke, eat, drink to much, and often move to little? 

 

What is the motivation to do something that is not good for you? 

 

 

[mrwebb8825]

This should clear things up - made before hippies or social groups or even the internet - just government and science at it's best:

 

 

[roietfortress]

detoxing from weed is easy. just find something else to do that's more fun.

 

wait, nothing is more fun except drinking and sex. my liver can't handle drinking anymore, and i get all i want of the other.

 

moderation is key. time for a morning bong hit ???? 

 

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[ChaiyaTH]

I smoke up to 1 gram a day maybe indoor for longer than 2-3 months, and then stop out of nowhere due to a flight elsewhere, it is usually absolute hell after the first day and I can really get days of amnesia and that kind of stuff.

 

But after that there is the super clarity, allowing me to get bulk load of the clarity things done in no-time. Then I see how bored it is again to always be sober, and that I can't even stick programming for 8 hours, I smoke again, build. what i prepared with clarity.

 

I did figure that it helps to have a very busy schedule already or all kinds of activities, as this distract you a lot in those first days and week. Alternatively to just make it a week of drinking instead, then you will still be calm and able to pass out and sleep, while the weed effects already go away, and then to not drink after a week is never a issue but a blessing.

 

Anyway: I think it is very important for all the regular smokers, to now and then have this break and reset. It is also rewarding because you usually can get by on less amount of weed again for a long time, saving money in the process.

[LaosLover]

On 8/14/2023 at 10:34 AM, Neeranam said:

 

 

So you know more than the American Psychiatric Association?

 

Did you know 'Cannabis Use Disorder' is the the DSM5?

https://www.verywellmind.com/cannabis-use-disorder-22295

Being gay used to be in the DSM5 too. Who's more nutty than shrinks?