1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s a link for you, enjoy:

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2018/08/how-second-world-war-made-britain-multicultural

 

 

Thanks. Where's the bit about "for centuries" and " spoke thier own language all of the time". 

39 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No comment on the strength of the UK economy? Did you miss the link? ????

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66680188

 

I seem to remember you were one of the biggest proponents of Project Fear. Would you like to admit the UK is performing better far, far than you predicted? (that's a rhetorical question BTW ????). 

 

Must be irritating to have been so wrong.

If you are going to base an argument on the ‘strength of the British economy’ then you might want to include the measure of economic performance that determine its long term health ‘productivity’:

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02791/

 

 

15 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Thanks. Where's the bit about "for centuries" and " spoke thier own language all of the time". 

Putting aside the fact the UK is a nation of mixed cultures and languages and has been for centuries of recorded history, Welsh, Irish, Scotts and their respective languages. 
 

The UK has for centuries been home to numerous diasporas, European Jews, and the Huguenots being two example.

 

https://jewishmuseum.org.uk/schools/asset/interns-choice-the-jewish-naturalisation-act-1753/
 

https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10146427/1/PhD Whole 4.5 (1).pdf

 

https://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/discover/languages-london

 

Always a pleasure to provide a teaching lesson for a ‘teacher’.

 

Please get back to me with a quotation of me stating immigrants to the UK spoke their own language ‘all the time’.

 

If you can’t produce evidence of me making such a claim I’ll accept you made it up.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you are going to base an argument on the ‘strength of the British economy’ then you might want to include the measure of economic performance that determine its long term health ‘productivity’:

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02791/

 

 

Looks fine to me.

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Looks fine to me.

Perhaps it does, but then economics might not be your strong point.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/06/09/britains-productivity-problem-is-long-standing-and-getting-worse?utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&utm_source=google&ppccampaignID=18156330227&ppcadID=&utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4LGwgqyQgQMVUhKDAx0u2wEOEAAYASAAEgJn-vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

30 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

Did you live in the UK 30 years ago, 40, 50? If you did, whereabouts? If you cannot see a massive difference over that time then something is wrong (perhaps with me, but I don't think so).

 

On the wider topic, multi culturalism, to me, is much more than just differing cultures living within a closer proximity. It is about those differing cultures integrating, accepting, empathising, sharing and many other "ings". I've rarely seen that happen and I'm really not surprised. To directly push for it, force it through with laws and criticism of any opposition is, IMHO a huge mistake. That is the main reason that I wasn't oh so bothered about leaving the EU (although again I think it was a mistake). The UK's position on immigration and multi culturalism is now more in its own domain, so any blame also lies there.

 

We have no chance when the aliens finally arrive. We typically can't tolerate the same species from a few hundred miles away. How do you think we'll react to a different species from a few hundred light years away...?

I certainly was in the UK thirty years ago and I was there all this summer.

 

I see a lot of improvements over that time, though a dramatic decline over the past ten years, non of which is related to immigration.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Good post. I agree with much of it but not the last paragraph. It was not a mistake, it was the correct decision.

 

But there is zero chance of us returning. The EU would indeed want a huge Euro of flesh to "punish" the UK for leaving in the first place. This would mean ditching the pound and getting a worse deal than we had before (which wasn't very good hence us leaving). This would never work as it would create huge resentment and bitterness, and as soon as we rejoined there would be an immediate campaign to leave again, and that is the last thing the EU wants.

 

So it's better for the Europhiles to just accept they lost and move on. In the meantime, the UK's next step should be to leave the ECHR. We can't have the UK's parliament being over-ruled by appointed judges in Strasbourg. It's anti-democratic.

 

Meanwhile the truth about the strength of UK economy is starting to leak out following all the lies during and even after Project Fear. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66680188

 

 

 

What lies? They changed the calculation system. Using the SUT system instead of the previous one increased the level of GDP.

Other European countries have not revised their estimates according to the SUT system, so It's now impossible to compare numbers.

Sure seems like a messed up country. 

49 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putting aside the fact the UK is a nation of mixed cultures and languages and has been for centuries of recorded history, Welsh, Irish, Scotts and their respective languages. 
 

The UK has for centuries been home to numerous diasporas, European Jews, and the Huguenots being two example.

 

https://jewishmuseum.org.uk/schools/asset/interns-choice-the-jewish-naturalisation-act-1753/
 

https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10146427/1/PhD Whole 4.5 (1).pdf

 

https://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/discover/languages-london

 

Always a pleasure to provide a teaching lesson for a ‘teacher’.

 

Please get back to me with a quotation of me stating immigrants to the UK spoke their own language ‘all the time’.

 

If you can’t produce evidence of me making such a claim I’ll accept you made it up.

 

 

That's a great twist. I'm surprised you didn't trip over your own feet, although you may have done.

 

I admit my terminology was inaccurte. You did say" always spoken their own language".

 

Strangley, I was speaking to a Welshman recently. He didn't speak Welsh. ( you have to accept that as legitimate as personal experiences are allowed now) .I've read that Welsh is such a dying language they're bringing Welsh classes to schools. Hardly them speaking " always in Welsh".

 

Anyway, you referred to immigrant communities. The Scots and Welsh would love to be called " immigrants", I'm sure.

 

Now, that link you have to immigrant communities have "always spoken their own language".

 

Not sure what lesson you are trying to teach. What ever it is you need to try harder.

3 hours ago, transam said:

Brexit has not been completed yet, as far as I am a where

'aware' and it was completed the day the UK officially exited.  Simple, really.  The Brits gave themselves years to prepare an still stuffed it up. 

 

3 hours ago, transam said:

though you smarting folk don't seem to have moved on yet.

Says the guy posting on a Brexit thread. ????

 

3 hours ago, transam said:

As for the video, not interested, there have always been folk at the poor end, should see how folk lived when I was a kid

Nice deflection, and irrelevant

 

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

No comment on the strength of the UK economy?

Strength? ????????

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

That's a great twist. I'm surprised you didn't trip over your own feet, although you may have done.

 

I admit my terminology was inaccurte. You did say" always spoken their own language".

 

Strangley, I was speaking to a Welshman recently. He didn't speak Welsh. ( you have to accept that as legitimate as personal experiences are allowed now) .I've read that Welsh is such a dying language they're bringing Welsh classes to schools. Hardly them speaking " always in Welsh".

 

Anyway, you referred to immigrant communities. The Scots and Welsh would love to be called " immigrants", I'm sure.

 

Now, that link you have to immigrant communities have "always spoken their own language".

 

Not sure what lesson you are trying to teach. What ever it is you need to try harder.

So you didn't read the links I sent

 

'Always have spoken' is not the same thing as spoke their own language 'all the time'.

I've always spoken my own language but I certainly do not speak my own language 'all the time'.

 

I see you are now not disputing that the UK has been multicultural for centuries.

 

 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you didn't read the links I sent

 

'Always have spoken' is not the same thing as spoke their own language 'all the time'.

I've always spoken my own language but I certainly do not speak my own language 'all the time'.

 

I see you are now not disputing that the UK has been multicultural for centuries.

 

 

Not in dispute at all. Have never said so.

 

I was I intrigued by you talking about immigrant communities in the same breath as Scots, Welsh and Irish. A strange comparison.

 

By the way, you must have missed the bit where I acknowledged the mis use of " all the time". Still, it's not unusual for you to suffer from selective reading.

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see you are now not disputing that the UK has been multicultural for centuries.

 

Only a fool would think otherwise - unless new evidence comes to light that the 'English race/ethnicity' have been all alone for centuries. 

 

11 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

I was I intrigued by you talking about immigrant communities in the same breath as Scots, Welsh and Irish. A strange comparison.

Because . . . ?

6 hours ago, Sing_Sling said:

Only a fool would think otherwise - unless new evidence comes to light that the 'English race/ethnicity' have been all alone for centuries. 

 

Because . . . ?

Because they are not immigrants.

27 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Because they are not immigrants.

But they are part of the centuries old multicultural history of the UK.

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But they are part of the centuries old multicultural history of the UK.

In that, we are in agreement. 

 

However, your post was regarding immigrant communities. 

 

 

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Because they are not immigrants.

They have been there for . . . how long?  

 

Define 'immigrant' and you'll see why.

1 minute ago, Sing_Sling said:

They have been there for . . . how long?  

 

Define 'immigrant' and you'll see why.

Oh dear.

 

It's seems you are the immigrant troll.

22 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Oh dear.

 

It's seems you are the immigrant troll.

So, you're too inadequate to answer the question.  Should be quite simple, even for you.  Try it. 

41 minutes ago, Sing_Sling said:

So, you're too inadequate to answer the question.  Should be quite simple, even for you.  Try it. 

" inadequate"?. Looks like Google translate dished out the incorrect word. 

Never mind.

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

" inadequate"?. Looks like Google translate dished out the incorrect word. 

It's actually very appropriate, too many syllables for you?  

 

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Never mind.

So, nothing.  Again.   Aren't you getting tired of looking the fool time and again?

 

On 9/5/2023 at 12:03 AM, youreavinalaff said:

Still, it's not unusual for you to suffer from selective reading.

Or your selective responding.

3 hours ago, Sing_Sling said:

It's actually very appropriate, too many syllables for you?  

 

So, nothing.  Again.   Aren't you getting tired of looking the fool time and again?

 

Or your selective responding.

For a troll to view me as a fool is no hardship at all. 

 

In fact, it's like wetting yourself whilst wearing a dark suit. It gives you a warm feeling but no one notices.

 

Oh, such irony.

So, still nothing regarding the discussion - only your usual sophomoric rans?  ????

1 hour ago, Sing_Sling said:

So, still nothing regarding the discussion - only your usual sophomoric rans?  ????

Said he, to himself. 555

2 hours ago, Sing_Sling said:

So, still nothing regarding the discussion - only your usual sophomoric rans?  ????

Rans? Sounds like a disease. Anyway it's about time you two went private.

37 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Rans? Sounds like a disease. Anyway it's about time you two went private.

I don't see why you should think so. You could scroll past or hit ignore.

 

Besides, I think it's best to see his posts on the open forum. That way, everyone can see him for what he is 

3 hours ago, Sing_Sling said:

So, still nothing regarding the discussion - only your usual sophomoric rans?  ????

What is a "Sophomoric Rans"............?  ????

10 minutes ago, transam said:

What is a "Sophomoric Rans"............?  ????

A nasty growth where da sun don't shine.

Another step closer to the EU:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/sep/07/horizon-brexit-eu-science-rishi-sunak

On 8/14/2023 at 11:38 PM, vinny41 said:

Unsurprisingly, it is Remain voters who are most in favour of a new EU referendum, with 41% saying there should be one this year, 61% saying so within the next five years, and 70% in the next ten years. By contrast, only 8% of Leave voters support a referendum in 2023, 16% think there should be one in the next five years, and 20% within the next ten years.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/08/14/46-36-britons-say-there-should-be-another-eu-refer

 

I haven't seen anything from the EU that indicates it wants the UK back in the EU fold and on what terms

Have to go back in our knees.. they'd love it