Work Permit now possible with retirement extension

[george]

A friend of mine in Hua Hin has managed to get a Work Permit after applying with full company documentation etc etc etc but with a one year retirement extension. And Labour will apparently continue to renew WP with no regards to extension type.

 

it seems that Labor Department (at least in Prachuap Khirikhan) does not require NON-B or NON-O Marrage in order to issue a WP.

 

He got a Tax-ID and social fund as well.

 

Anyone can confirm or comment on an important change here?

[blackcab]

The main impact of this is that he will not have to deal with immigration with regards to getting a Non O/Non B extension for the purpose of working with a Thai business, which is particularly onerous in terms of documentation.

 

Instead he can get a retirement extension, which is one of the easier extensions to get.

 

Lucky for him. I wonder if other provinces will follow suit?

[GammaGlobulin]

Work Permit for Retirees is an IMPORTANT Step forward because:

 

There are probably a heck of a lot of retirees, people who have amassed much knowledge and expertise throughout their lives, who are now ready to do some "paying back" for what society has given them when they were young.

 

The best way to stay young in mind, spirit, and body is to contribute toward helping the next generation, and the next-generation's next generation.

 

Sometimes a work permit might be required for working here to help others, at least to be certain that one is within the local laws.

 

Even if this type of work permit were restricted to doing charity work, etc., this would still meet the needs of many retirees, I feel.

 

Hope that this type of work permit will soon come into effect.

 

 

[BritTim]

I find this extremely surprising. I have never before heard of the Labour office issuing a work permit to someone on a retirement extension, and changing from an extension based on retirement to one based on working would not be possible without a work permit. I am not aware of this ever happening. It would be very interesting to see all the passport stamps.

 

The big selling point of the new LTR-WP (Long Term Resident Wealthy Pensioner) visa is that it optionally comes with a fairly unrestricted work permit. Are you sure this is not what your friend has acquired?

[Jack1988]

I would never need to work with a retirement visa. Just enjoy my life in Thailand without work

[Ralf001]

post up a pic (redacted) of the extension.

 

Most likely he was on retirement extension and it was converted work extension.

Edited August 18, 2023 by Ralf001

[Srikcir]

15 hours ago, george said:

He got a Tax-ID

I got a Tax-ID without a work permit. At the time had an O-A visa. 

[khunPer]

16 hours ago, george said:

He got a Tax-ID and social fund as well.

I got a tax-ID as well on a non-O with retirement extension. It's easy to get a tax-ID if you have any income to declare. In principle you are fully taxable to Thailand, if you stay in the country for 180+ days within a calendar year. Income from abroad is also taxable in Thailand – depending on Double Taxation Agreement – if the income is transferred within the same calendar year as it's earned. In some cases it can be a benefit to pay a lower Thai income tax instead of the full tax in a foreign country.

[arithai12]

15 hours ago, BritTim said:

I find this extremely surprising. I have never before heard of the Labour office issuing a work permit to someone on a retirement extension, and changing from an extension based on retirement to one based on working would not be possible without a work permit. I am not aware of this ever happening. It would be very interesting to see all the passport stamps.

 

The big selling point of the new LTR-WP (Long Term Resident Wealthy Pensioner) visa is that it optionally comes with a fairly unrestricted work permit. Are you sure this is not what your friend has acquired?

 

Being retired and being allowed to work seems a contradiction.

You may well be right BritTim: perhaps the OP's friend saw "WP" in his papers and interpreted it as Work Permit instead of Wealthy Pensioner?

[Jelli]

16 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

There are probably a heck of a lot of retirees, people who have amassed much knowledge and expertise throughout their lives,

Yes, but not really. They are retired and decades away from latest and greatest knowledge in whatever field. Add to this they've been retired. The best example of this is in medicine. The younger doctors will know the latest procedures and tricks. Old school doctors just do it the old school way. I'm sure this is the same in every profession and vocation

 

Given that it takes five years of hard work to become a teacher of any value stepping into this at 65 is not going to work for students and the old git will be exhausted. Did I mention starting salary of 35k? A school has to be really, really desperate to hire a totally inexperienced teacher 60+. Finally, again unless totally desperate schools simply don't hire even great teachers 60+.

 

Jus sayin

Edited August 19, 2023 by Jelli

[DrJack54]

This thread is off.

If the OP indeed has extension based on retirement he cannot work.

The OP is confused. 

[Gaccha]

12 hours ago, Jack1988 said:

I would never need to work with a retirement visa.

I suspect you are not aware of how broadly the concept of 'work' is defined by Thailand's immigration rules. Helping paint a friend's house, or doing some volunteer charity work, has resulted in fines and criminal charges.

[JAFO]

Let me add to my post.  Sometime back I was here on a retirement Visa extension.  As it turned out, I was offered a position by a western company and had to change my visa to a B Visa which then allowed me to have a WP ( actually they go together ).  That said, one can reside in Thailand, be married to Thai national and have an O Visa extension and a WP. I am  currently living here under those circumstances and have been for the last 8 years.   

Edited August 19, 2023 by JAFO

[DrJack54]

21 minutes ago, JAFO said:

As it turned out, I was offered a position by a western company and had to change my visa to a B Visa which then allowed me to have a WP ( actually they go together ).  That said, one can reside in Thailand, be married to Thai national and have an O Visa extension and a WP.

Exactly.

Your post outlines ways to work in Thailand.

The OP post does not.

Tooth fairy story. 

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Gaccha said:

Helping paint a friend's house, or doing some volunteer charity work, has resulted in fines and criminal charges.

Really?  Have you got some actual evidence of that ever happening or is it just something that you've heard about, i.e. hearsay?   I know you haven't anything regarding the myth of prosection for helping a friend paint his house.

 

I am aware that doing volunteer work without a volunteer visa could attract prosecution but has it ever happened?  

[Gaccha]

29 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Have you got some actual evidence of that ever happening or is it just something that you've heard about, i.e. hearsay?

As you seem to be aware of the rules of hearsay, you'll know that the first exception in US law to the hearsay rule is an 'excited utterance'.

 

I can assure you that when I read a Thaivisa member mention his friend getting prosecuted he expressed it in a rather startled, and I would dare to suggest, even an excited fashion.

 

What's more, because what he said undermined his status in this forum, since it suggested he was living in Issan with little means to sustain a decent way of life,  it also comes under the second exception to the hearsay rule: statements against interest.

 

( Federal Rules of Evidence 804(b)(3))

[KannikaP]

3 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

a Thaivisa member

What is that please?

[Alex2554]

20 hours ago, george said:

A friend of mine in Hua Hin has managed to get a Work Permit after applying with full company documentation etc etc etc but with a one year retirement extension. And Labour will apparently continue to renew WP with no regards to extension type.

 

it seems that Labor Department (at least in Prachuap Khirikhan) does not require NON-B or NON-O Marrage in order to issue a WP.

 

He got a Tax-ID and social fund as well.

 

Anyone can confirm or comment on an important change here?

Labor Department does not require any visa, you can apply on visa exempt. Next step is to obtain a visa that allows to work
 

[ericthai]

3 hours ago, JAFO said:

Let me add to my post.  Sometime back I was here on a retirement Visa extension.  As it turned out, I was offered a position by a western company and had to change my visa to a B Visa which then allowed me to have a WP ( actually they go together ).  That said, one can reside in Thailand, be married to Thai national and have an O Visa extension and a WP. I am  currently living here under those circumstances and have been for the last 8 years.   

A B visa and a Work permit dont go together they are two separate things and need to be applied.

I had a B visa for 2 years before moving to Thailand and didn't have a work permit as I was only coming for meetings.

[DrJack54]

19 minutes ago, ericthai said:

I had a B visa for 2 years before moving to Thailand and didn't have a work permit as I was only coming for meetings.

The thread is about having a non O extensions based on retirement and working.

Very ridiculous when you think about it.

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, Alex2554 said:

Labor Department does not require any visa, you can apply on visa exempt. Next step is to obtain a visa that allows to work

This is not correct. Prior to possession of an appropriate entry from a visa or extended permission to stay, the Labour Department can give you a kind of pre-approval document that indicates you and the company qualify in principle. However, the work permit itself will only be issued once you have the correct immigration status.

[advancebooking]

21 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

There are probably a heck of a lot of retirees, people who have amassed much knowledge and expertise throughout their lives, who are now ready to do some "paying back"

except the main drawback is that they are one or all of the following: alcoholics, pot smokers (addicts) or pay for play men. 

[BritTim]

1 minute ago, advancebooking said:

except the main drawback is that they are one or all of the following: alcoholics, pot smokers (addicts) or pay for play men. 

It is more likely that they will fall into those categories if they do not have positive occupations to fill up their lives. Being aged over 50 does not guarantee that you will end up a sozzled pot head, addicted to bar girls. (Yes, quite a few can end up that way.)

[GammaGlobulin]

6 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

except the main drawback is that they are one or all of the following: alcoholics, pot smokers (addicts) or pay for play men. 

If this is true, as you maintain, then, in this case, they should not be issued work permits, obviously.

Instead, they should be made to do forced hard labour on a work farm behind barbed wire, and then forced to eat 50 hardboiled eggs within an hour, on Sundays, their only half-day of rest. 

 

[DrJack54]

19 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

except the main drawback is that they are one or all of the following: alcoholics, pot smokers (addicts) or pay for play men. 

Post something that relates to OP.

 

[DrJack54]

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

If this is true, as you maintain, then, in this case, they should not be issued work permits, obviously.

Instead, they should be made to do forced hard labour on a work farm behind barbed wire, and then forced to eat 50 hardboiled eggs within an hour, on Sundays, their only half-day of rest. 

 

Please go back to Pub Forum.

 

[DrJack54]

17 minutes ago, BritTim said:

It is more likely that they will fall into those categories if they do not have positive occupations to fill up their lives. Being aged over 50 does not guarantee that you will end up a sozzled pot head, addicted to bar girls. (Yes, quite a few can end up that way.)

Why feed into a troll.

The post you replied to is a nonsense post completely off topic..

[Paris333]

I smell little jealeus for foreigner retires .......If you are healthy and you want to work abroad whats the problem for "locals"?

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Paris333

[Maestro]

9 hours ago, KannikaP said:

What is that please?

 

My guess is that the reference to "a Thaivisa member" is a reference to a person who is a member of this here forum which is currently known as "ASEANnow forum" and was formerly known as "ThaiVisa forum"

 

Old habits die hard. 

[JayClay]

5 hours ago, Paris333 said:

I smell little jealeus for foreigner retires .......If you are healthy and you want to work abroad whats the problem for "locals"?

 

There is no problem. If a foreigner over 50 wants to work abroad they need an appropriate visa.

 

You can't get a work permit on a tourist visa. Why should a retirement visa be any different?