On 10/3/2023 at 7:34 PM, Eleftheros said:

Massive harm.Trust takes a long time to build, and a very short time to break...When people come to understand that their government is lying to them, they will seek other forms of authority to follow, some of which may be even worse than the government itself.

Hmmm,,,

Thanks for the warning. Again

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Such hyperbolic language! Perhaps you should temper your starry-eyed zeal, take a step back and consider the actual results of this experiment. Most people wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

(Re: mRNA.)  "Such hyperbolic language!" ? Consider the last sentence...Irony, oh irony.

34 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

If twisting facts is your preferred method. 

 

I prefer verifiable facts. Not opinions.

The problem is plain to see.

 

Do you believe in God?

No.

Prove there isn't one.

 

The natural state of the body is good health. These people are trying to out-do nature. Getting very well paid for their efforts too. We can't improve on nature. It has seen us good for billions of years. Messing with nature can only end in disaster. We must learn from it. Not impose our filthy ways on it.

 

Nature can be destructive. It can be devastating. It can be viscous. But never ugly.

 

25 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The problem is plain to see.

 

Do you believe in God?

No.

Prove there isn't one.

 

The natural state of the body is good health. These people are trying to out-do nature. Getting very well paid for their efforts too. We can't improve on nature. It has seen us good for billions of years. Messing with nature can only end in disaster. We must learn from it. Not impose our filthy ways on it.

 

Nature can be destructive. It can be devastating. It can be viscous. But never ugly.

 

Wise words, Owl.

4 hours ago, watthong said:

For the sake of anyone's supposedly non-lacking "sincerity and intellect," "anti-vax" is not a derogatory term by any means, Such sentiment is rather in the "eye of the beholder."  It might be divisive by its nature, but not demeaning or degrading. Other examples: "communists" (vs "socialists") or "republicans" (vs "democrats" for us Yanks) - and in this case, "anti-vaxxers" (vs "vaxxers," if there is such a thing.)

In my world context matters.  The poster I was referring to also usually attaches other derogatory insults to the label.  I personally try no to make habit of not doing this but we all make mistakes.  Just pointing out his mistake  IMO.  By all means feel free to disagree.  Cheers

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

"Take another course of Ivermectin."

 

I have a full box of it but have never used it as I have never caught Covid.

Still amazed you never caught Covid.  100% of my friends caught it and a good amount twice.  I had it it and it wasn't any fun but only dreadful for a few days and my lungs were almost 100% in a month.  No biggie and life marches on.  

 

Apparently some can't let go of the glorious Covid days where they could pummel anyone that disagreed with their narrative.  I think secretly they have wet dreams thinking about the next pandemic where they can thirst off the fear and deceive themselves into thinking they are relevant.

4 hours ago, xylophone said:

I see you are in the same camp as the "owl", and as for your comment about "most people wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole any more", well many millions have, and many millions will continue to do so, more so when the mRNA technology leads to treatments and cures for cancer and other incurable diseases.

There are more from ("the same camp") where these came from. It's not hard to spot (though hard to listen to.) But if you can stomach the dreg, they usually volunteer their own confession after the 1st paragraph. Or sentence.

1 hour ago, watthong said:

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  5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Such hyperbolic language! Perhaps you should temper your starry-eyed zeal, take a step back and consider the actual results of this experiment. Most people wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole anymore.

 

Re: mRNA.)  "Such hyperbolic language!" ? Consider the last sentence...Irony, oh irony.

That isn't hyperbolic but it is a cliché. You get the difference?

1 minute ago, atpeace said:

Still amazed you never caught Covid.  100% of my friends caught it and a good amount twice.  I had it it and it wasn't any fun but only dreadful for a few days and my lungs were almost 100% in a month.  No biggie and life marches on.  

 

Apparently some can't let go of the glorious Covid days where they could pummel anyone that disagreed with their narrative.  I think secretly they have wet dreams thinking about the next pandemic where they can thirst off the fear and deceive themselves into thinking they are relevant.

I have been following the Zelenko protocol daily for 3 years and I am pretty sure that's what prevented me from catching it (or anything else for that matter): zinc, quercetin, vitamin C, vitamin D. Also NAC and turmeric.

 

This whole Covid episode revealed quite a few Gestapo wannabes, in real life and virtually.

11 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I have been following the Zelenko protocol daily for 3 years and I am pretty sure that's what prevented me from catching it (or anything else for that matter): zinc, quercetin, vitamin C, vitamin D. Also NAC and turmeric.

 

This whole Covid episode revealed quite a few Gestapo wannabes, in real life and virtually.

I only come to the forum occasionally and sometimes disappear for 2-6 months.  For some reason the Covid threads enthrall me. 

 

I wonder how individuals in the name of good can become so evil.  My guess is that their personal life is devoid of substance or any real success.  the internet and covid allowed them to ban together with other similar people and do bad things.  They became important in their mind and forgot how to be kind to people that disagreed with them.  Interesting...

39 minutes ago, atpeace said:

In my world context matters.

Then judge the context, not the term ("anti-vax") itself.

If you can't differentiate that, then take English 101 before making any further argument.

Just now, watthong said:

Then judge the context, not the term ("anti-vax") itself.

If you can't do that, then re-take English 101 before making any further argument.

OK

24 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I have been following the Zelenko protocol daily for 3 years and I am pretty sure that's what prevented me from catching it (or anything else for that matter): zinc, quercetin, vitamin C, vitamin D. Also NAC and turmeric.

 

This whole Covid episode revealed quite a few Gestapo wannabes, in real life and virtually.

None of which will prevent getting infected. Thanks for again showing you have no clue.

9 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I only come to the forum occasionally and sometimes disappear for 2-6 months.  For some reason the Covid threads enthrall me. 

 

I wonder how individuals in the name of good can become so evil.  My guess is that their personal life is devoid of substance or any real success.  the internet and covid allowed them to ban together with other similar people and do bad things.  They became important in their mind and forgot how to be kind to people that disagreed with them.  Interesting...

I have a similar experience with this forum. I have been living here since 2009, but hardly ever used it, until two years ago when I just couldn't just sit there and let them get away with the stuff they were saying (forced vaccination is the only way to get over this, the unvaxxed are nutcases, a danger, they shouldn't be allowed in hospitals, should be deported etc.). I have screenshots of the worst ones.

 

In radical times, people reveal themselves unequivocally.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

None of which will prevent getting infected. Thanks for again showing you have no clue.

No clue, but never infected (nor were any of the people I know who did the same). Life is unfair, Steve, I should have died ten times in horrible pain, screaming "why did I not get the jab" in my final throes, and yet here I am, fit as a fiddle.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Wise words, Owl.

Thanks. As you are probably aware I am somewhat restricted in what I can post. And would like to say. But here goes.

 

All of nature has evolved through billions of years. There are species, and plants, and animals that have died out through a multitude of reasons. We, at the present time are top of the heap. Instead of rejoicing and trying to understand how and why, we are seemingly heading for self destruction. If H-bombs and poison gas were not enough we now want to mess with our DNA. Why? Some of us ask.

 

What can a mRNA jab do that nature can't? In my book; nothing at all. We are a wonderful bit of kit. We, through or defence/immune and maintenance systems. can cope with just about anything. Just being here shows that.

 

However, there are a couple of problems. One, as has already been said, is the research, production and experimentation of ugly, filthy weapons. But there is more; much more. The adulteration of our food. The contamination of our beautiful rivers and oceans. The dubious quality of much of the air. And now the belief that we can somehow poison a perfectly healthy back to health. If that sounds gobblegook, it is because it is. But that's what is planned, and coming our way soon.

 

Toxins are all around us. Mostly our bodies can easily deal with them. But not always. We can help our bodies, or hinder them, in fighting toxins. And what are these toxins? Some are naturally occurring. But the vast majority are human made. From metal fillings in our mouths. The stuff we put onto our bodies. The additives in our food. The contaminants in our water. Pesticides, fungicides. Herbicides, DDT! I could go on but life is too short.

 

In my book the role of the WHO should be to ensure that we - as humans - do not foul the very earth that we depend upon of our survival. To help fight against the filth that is pumped into our water, and into the ground. As it is, the WHO has IMHO, completely lost its way. Of course big money steers it away from what it should be doing.

 

That brings me nicely onto the subject of 'modern health care'. A pill of every ill. I prefer to say 'modern ill-health care'. Soon a mRNA jab for every complaint that poor living, and an unhealthy environment; happens to bring along. Weight challenged; a jab. Cancer; a jab will sort it. Arthritis; no problem. There will be a jab for this and that. It's absolute madness.

 

What we should be doing is ensuring that everyone has fresh air, clean water, appropriate food and able to live in a loving. caring world.

 

The body will look after us, if look after it. Don't need no pills. Don't need no jabs. Nature will see to it that we not only survive, but thrive beyond our dreams.

 

 

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

No clue, but never infected (nor were any of the people I know who did the same). Life is unfair, Steve, I should have died ten times in horrible pain, screaming "why did I not get the jab" in my final throes, and yet here I am, fit as a fiddle.

Extremely unlikely. More likely you did catch it but didn't get sick due to a healthy lifestyle and diet 

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

In my world context matters.  The poster I was referring to also usually attaches other derogatory insults to the label.  I personally try no to make habit of not doing this but we all make mistakes.  Just pointing out his mistake  

"The poster I was referring to also usually attaches other derogatory insults to the label" - That's your accusation of him and "just pointing out his mistake" (according to you.)  But in the "context" below, this is what you said about his use of the term ("anti-vax"). 

 

On 10/3/2023 at 1:18 PM, atpeace said:

 To use a derogatory  label (anti-vax) for a person is a sign of the the labelers lack of sincerity and intellect. 

So whose "lack of sincerity and intellect..." are you talking about? 

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Extremely unlikely. More likely you did catch it but didn't get sick due to a healthy lifestyle and diet 

Some deadly pandemic, eh?

2 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Thanks. As you are probably aware I am somewhat restricted in what I can post. And would like to say. But here goes.

 

All of nature has evolved through billions of years. There are species, and plants, and animals that have died out through a multitude of reasons. We, at the present time are top of the heap. Instead of rejoicing and trying to understand how and why, we are seemingly heading for self destruction. If H-bombs and poison gas were not enough we now want to mess with our DNA. Why? Some of us ask.

 

What can a mRNA jab do that nature can't? In my book; nothing at all. We are a wonderful bit of kit. We, through or defence/immune and maintenance systems. can cope with just about anything. Just being here shows that.

 

However, there are a couple of problems. One, as has already been said, is the research, production and experimentation of ugly, filthy weapons. But there is more; much more. The adulteration of our food. The contamination of our beautiful rivers and oceans. The dubious quality of much of the air. And now the belief that we can somehow poison a perfectly healthy back to health. If that sounds gobblegook, it is because it is. But that's what is planned, and coming our way soon.

 

Toxins are all around us. Mostly our bodies can easily deal with them. But not always. We can help our bodies, or hinder them, in fighting toxins. And what are these toxins? Some are naturally occurring. But the vast majority are human made. From metal fillings in our mouths. The stuff we put onto our bodies. The additives in our food. The contaminants in our water. Pesticides, fungicides. Herbicides, DDT! I could go on but life is too short.

 

In my book the role of the WHO should be to ensure that we - as humans - do not foul the very earth that we depend upon of our survival. To help fight against the filth that is pumped into our water, and into the ground. As it is, the WHO has IMHO, completely lost its way. Of course big money steers it away from what it should be doing.

 

That brings me nicely onto the subject of 'modern health care'. A pill of every ill. I prefer to say 'modern ill-health care'. Soon a mRNA jab for every complaint that poor living, and an unhealthy environment; happens to bring along. Weight challenged; a jab. Cancer; a jab will sort it. Arthritis; no problem. There will be a jab for this and that. It's absolute madness.

 

What we should be doing is ensuring that everyone has fresh air, clean water, appropriate food and able to live in a loving. caring world.

 

The body will look after us, if look after it. Don't need no pills. Don't need no jabs. Nature will see to it that we not only survive, but thrive beyond our dreams.

 

 

I agree with all your points except one: the WHO has not lost its way. This offshoot of the UN (ex League of Nations) was always about establishing a supranational world order.

 

I see sovereignty as the main contemporary issue. Nations and individuals need their sovereignty back.

3 hours ago, watthong said:

But if you can stomach the dreg, they usually volunteer their own confession after the 1st paragraph. Or sentence.

"Volunteer confessionals"? "What are you talking about"? you might ask,,, Well,

 

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

...until two years ago when I just couldn't just sit there and let them get away with the stuff they were saying (forced vaccination is the only way to get over this, the unvaxxed are nutcases, a danger, they shouldn't be allowed in hospitals, should be deported etc.). I have screenshots of the worst ones. In radical times, people reveal themselves unequivocally.

(btw, "in radical times," people also tend to dress funny and possibly wear mismatched socks - sorry, never mind my attempt at profundity - but I digress...) Anyway, onward,

 

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

I wonder how individuals in the name of good can become so evil.  My guess is that their personal life is devoid of substance or any real success.  the internet and covid allowed them to ban together with other similar people and do bad things.  They became important in their mind and forgot how to be kind to people that disagreed with them.  Interesting...

 "They became important in their mind and forgot how to be kind to people that disagreed with them.  Interesting.." Indeed, considering the following practice of "be kind to people that disagreed with them:"

 

On 10/3/2023 at 8:12 PM, atpeace said:

What a hypocrite you are - amazing how determined you are to be taken seriously.  Show me where the Orange fella said we should drink or inject bleach.  You can't because it was said by Biden when he incorrectly claimed Trump said it.  

I think the word "hypocrite" in the above "context" should be ALL CAPS.

(On a side note, sounds like someone has pushed the Orange button!!)

This conversation has devolved into people on all sides trading insults and not providing our readers with anything but the same insults going in circles. I'm personally getting tired of having to clean it up so let's just put it to rest.