Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

1. AJ+ is mostly OK for me as news outlet.

 

2. Fine for me if you don't know the answer to my question as expected.

 

Thanks, anyway.

 

What is 'ok' for you doesn't mean a whole lot considering the host of bits from dodgy sources you often post on these topics.

[Rimmer]

Some posts have been removed, one is off topic the other talks about carpet bombing, this is misleading as there is no carpet bombing , one more is a personal attack.

 

Please see our Community Standards

[Hawaiian]

22 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

1. AJ+ is mostly OK for me as news outlet.

 

2. Fine for me if you don't know the answer to my question as expected.

 

Thanks, anyway.

Your answer has convinced me that this forum has become a circus with deflections, fabrications, accusations, innuendos, misinformation, name calling and other forms of juvenile behavior.

In other words, so much BS it has become a chore to read.  I know I won't be missed.  Who cares?  I don't.

[Rimmer]

Another history lesson has been removed

 

Latest developments and discussion of events in the Israel-Hamas War.

[Thorgal]

All quiet on the Gaza front...

 

Quote from link :

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-to-imprison-soldiers-deserting-from-regular-military-service-reserves/3063948

 

The Israeli army intended to imprison soldiers who had deserted from regular military service and reserves following the end of the war that Tel Aviv launched in the Gaza Strip on Oct. 7.

 

The Military Defense Department released a statement, which was cited on the radio, telling soldiers who refused to serve to "contact your units urgently before the harsher punishment policy comes into effect."

 

Many soldiers refused to participate in the war “for reasons of conscience.” However, observers link their desertion to the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip, which claimed the lives of dozens of soldiers, particularly in the ground battles that began on Oct. 27.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Thorgal said:

 

I asked : did Israeli army also commit "horrific acts" since 7th of October 2023?

 

No need to hide behind Hamas.

 

    You may regard them as horrific , I regard them as being justified and legitimate acts of war . 

You only regard then as being horrific because your side are losing this war 

[Thorgal]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    You may regard them as horrific , I regard them as being justified and legitimate acts of war . 

You only regard then as being horrific because your side are losing this war 

 

My side? I'm not a Palestinian...?

 

The poster I've replied is a Hawaiian national of 84 years and I've checked if he's looking at both sides of the conflict objectively.

 

I didn't try to curb his opinion.

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Thorgal

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

My side? I'm not a Palestinian...?

 

The poster I've replied is a Hawaiian national of 84 years and I've checked if he's looking at both sides of the conflict objectively.

 

I didn't try to curb his opinion.

 

 

   Israel's actions and Hamas actions cannot be compared .

The  inhumane atrocious acts carried out by Hams on October 7 th are incomparable to any actions by Israel .

   Taking ten month old babies are returning them dead . 

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

All quiet on the Gaza front...

 

Quote from link :

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-to-imprison-soldiers-deserting-from-regular-military-service-reserves/3063948

 

The Israeli army intended to imprison soldiers who had deserted from regular military service and reserves following the end of the war that Tel Aviv launched in the Gaza Strip on Oct. 7.

 

The Military Defense Department released a statement, which was cited on the radio, telling soldiers who refused to serve to "contact your units urgently before the harsher punishment policy comes into effect."

 

Many soldiers refused to participate in the war “for reasons of conscience.” However, observers link their desertion to the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip, which claimed the lives of dozens of soldiers, particularly in the ground battles that began on Oct. 27.

lol, Anadolu Agency or AA, launched in 1920 and was originally founded by Halide Edip Adıvar, Yunus Nadi Abalıoğlu. It is the official state-subsidized news agency of Turkey. 

“Turkey is again the world’s biggest prison for professional journalists.”

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/anadolu-agency/

[Nick Carter icp]

48 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0NbMSkhxlb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

Artist and film maker Yuula Benivolski denounce her Israeli citizenship in response to Israel’s barbaric assault on Gaza.

 

 

   She is a Canadian who lives in Canada and an anti Zionist , she isn't a proper Israeli .

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

My side? I'm not a Palestinian...?

 

The poster I've replied is a Hawaiian national of 84 years and I've checked if he's looking at both sides of the conflict objectively.

 

I didn't try to curb his opinion.

 

There are two sides, one with the terrorists or the one without, its really as simple as that. Just because the poster is against the terrorists does not make him blind to faults on either side.

 

Of course we know which side you are on

[Eloquent pilgrim]

52 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Artist and film maker Yuula Benivolski

 

AKA educationally subnormal old slapper, traitor, and Hamas bicycle …… scrapping the bottom of the barrel here Danny.

[Danny Australia]

 

15 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

My side? I'm not a Palestinian...?

 

 

You don't have to be a Palestinian. Any slightest criticism of Israel, or not fully adopting its narrative, would automatically mean to them you are a Hamas sympathiser even you were a Jew or a Holocaust survivor :) 

[Bkk Brian]

Best start moving folks, you've been warned. Oh and blame your friends Hamas

 

The IDF published information regarding the evacuation of Gazan civilians for their safety in the next stage of the war.

The map published divides the territory of Gaza into zones according to recognizable areas. This enables the residents of Gaza to orient themselves and to evacuate from specific places for their safety if required.

The IDF's website and spokesperson in Arabic released the relevant information on social networks.

This map for Gazan civilians was published in announcements distributed by the IDF in Gaza: 

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1730527502127296998

 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

 

You don't have to be a Palestinian. Any slightest criticism of Israel, or not fully adopting its narrative, would automatically mean to them you are a Hamas sympathiser even you were a Jew or a Holocaust survivor :) 

 

   He was cheering on Hamas as they rampaged across Israel on October 7 th 

Why are you guys so shy and coy about stating your affiliations?

[Danny Australia]

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

AKA educationally subnormal old slapper, traitor, and Hamas bicycle …… scrapping the bottom of the barrel here Danny.

 

Can you name just one Israeli citizen, or any jew who criticized Israel and was not labelled a traitor/Hamas sympathiser/antisemitic/terrorist supporter...etc? Just one name is enough.

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Can you name just one Israeli citizen, or any jew who criticized Israel and was not labelled a traitor/Hamas sympathiser/antisemitic/terrorist supporter...etc? Just one name is enough.

 

   Ellie Goldstein who lives in Tiberius 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Nick Carter icp

[Danny Australia]

 

 

 

Australian James Elder is the spokesperson for the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF). He just filmed this video a short time ago after the resumption of bombardment of Gaza.

He is on the ground in Gaza right now and he sees this madness as War on Children, not war on Hamas.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

All quiet on the Gaza front...

 

Quote from link :

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-to-imprison-soldiers-deserting-from-regular-military-service-reserves/3063948

 

The Israeli army intended to imprison soldiers who had deserted from regular military service and reserves following the end of the war that Tel Aviv launched in the Gaza Strip on Oct. 7.

 

The Military Defense Department released a statement, which was cited on the radio, telling soldiers who refused to serve to "contact your units urgently before the harsher punishment policy comes into effect."

 

Many soldiers refused to participate in the war “for reasons of conscience.” However, observers link their desertion to the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip, which claimed the lives of dozens of soldiers, particularly in the ground battles that began on Oct. 27.

 

There is nothing by way of support for some of the claims made in the article. Given the media outlet you chose usually echoes government attitudes and positions, and given Turkey's current stance - not surprising.

[Morch]

21 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Can you name just one Israeli citizen, or any jew who criticized Israel and was not labelled a traitor/Hamas sympathiser/antisemitic/terrorist supporter...etc? Just one name is enough.

 

Are you for real? There's at least one major newspaper in Israel which regularly posts such opinion pieces. Many other, smaller internet websites doing the same. Can you find many voices critical of Hamas that way, among Palestinians?

[Morch]

14 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

 

 

Australian James Elder is the spokesperson for the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF). He just filmed this video a short time ago after the resumption of bombardment of Gaza.

He is on the ground in Gaza right now and he sees this madness as War on Children, not war on Hamas.

 

As Mom said: 'He sees what he wants to see'.

[Neeranam]

No, Israel does not have the “right” to “defend itself’ against a population living under its occupation.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/12/1/its-high-time-the-west-ends-its-stomach-churning-doublespeak-on-palestine

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

So you criticize all Middle Eastern media, saying it's biased. Do you think the USA news outlets are not biased?

Where do you get your news? apart from here lol

 

I do not criticize all ME media, that's something you claim - and that is not true. It is correct that there are many media venues in the ME which are not very reliable, controlled by governments etc. or are dedicated to certain causes in a way which effects their credibility.

 

You can mock Western (or USA) media all you like, but there's no competition when it comes to standards. I'm not saying they are perfect, but better.

 

Also, unlike many of you, I'm not limited to English language news and social media. And having some experience with this, I often know which authors/reporters/journalists/commentators are worth reading or listening to.

 

Any other nonsense comments you need to air?

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

No, Israel does not have the “right” to “defend itself’ against a population living under its occupation.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/12/1/its-high-time-the-west-ends-its-stomach-churning-doublespeak-on-palestine

 

Yet another biased, daft OP from AJ.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

I do not criticize all ME media, that's something you claim - and that is not true. It is correct that there are many media venues in the ME which are not very reliable, controlled by governments etc. or are dedicated to certain causes in a way which effects their credibility.

 

You can mock Western (or USA) media all you like, but there's no competition when it comes to standards. I'm not saying they are perfect, but better.

 

Also, unlike many of you, I'm not limited to English language news and social media. And having some experience with this, I often know which authors/reporters/journalists/commentators are worth reading or listening to.

 

Any other nonsense comments you need to air?

Can you name one ME news source that you find up to your standards?

I am a dual national and speak 3 languages, so not limited to English. Thai news is not great but at least isn't biased like CNN!  - not sure where that flame came from?

Can you speak Hebrew? Maybe there are some good news channels in that language? My friend learned Hebrew when he was in his 50s.

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

55 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Can you name just one Israeli citizen, or any jew who criticized Israel and was not labelled a traitor/Hamas sympathiser/antisemitic/terrorist supporter...etc? Just one name is enough.

Norman Finkelstein my hero 

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Can you name one ME news source that you find up to your standards?

I am a dual national and speak 3 languages, so not limited to English. Thai news is not great but at least isn't biased like CNN!  - not sure where that flame came from?

Can you speak Hebrew? Maybe there are some good news channels in that language? My friend learned Hebrew when he was in his 50s.

 

 

 

 

I'm not interested in your nonsense, and not about to argue specific sources with you - as you obviously either don't know what you're talking about or trolling. Similarly, unless at least one of them languages you claim pertains to the area in question, what would be the significance of mentioning it?

 

There are Israeli online websites for most mainstream newspapers, channels etc. Some have English versions as well. Quoted on these topic numerous times. Most of them have varying degrees of pro-Israeli bias, some less so.

 

When it comes to Palestinian media - it's basically a wasteland as far formal media outlets are concerned. Pretty much unreliable all around, towing the party line (of whichever faction), and picking any nonsense story etc. There are several social media accounts doing a better job, but not many - at least not in English.

 

There are several online websites/tools which help gauge credibility etc. for media outlets, news channels, think tanks and so on. The methodologies and scope differ, as does their own reliability - but they are often good enough to get a clue.

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I'm not interested in your nonsense, and not about to argue specific sources with you - as you obviously either don't know what you're talking about or trolling. Similarly, unless at least one of them languages you claim pertains to the area in question, what would be the significance of mentioning it?

 

There are Israeli online websites for most mainstream newspapers, channels etc. Some have English versions as well. Quoted on these topic numerous times. Most of them have varying degrees of pro-Israeli bias, some less so.

 

When it comes to Palestinian media - it's basically a wasteland as far formal media outlets are concerned. Pretty much unreliable all around, towing the party line (of whichever faction), and picking any nonsense story etc. There are several social media accounts doing a better job, but not many - at least not in English.

 

There are several online websites/tools which help gauge credibility etc. for media outlets, news channels, think tanks and so on. The methodologies and scope differ, as does their own reliability - but they are often good enough to get a clue.

I wouldn't trust 99% of main stream media no matter where it comes from, they all do there owners bidding or there out of a job.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I wouldn't trust 99% of main stream media no matter where it comes from, they all do there owners bidding or there out of a job.

 

You seem to trust AJ.....So guess just another nonsense post.

[Nick Carter icp]

Ding -Ding, Round 2