Can Thailand detonate the baby boom it needs as retirement time bomb looms?

[Mike Lister]

2 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Open the borders and give migrants a fair path to permanent residence and citizenship

Diversity Equity and Inclusion works

 

The borders are already open to wealthier foreigners, the country does not want them open to migrants who are just as poor or even poorer as the average of the native population.

[stoner]

i got a baby boom bomb in my pants ready to detonate. 

[newbee2022]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

 

Thai retirees started outnumbering people entering the workforce for the first time last year, sparking concerns that the country faces a future of economic and social breakdown.

 

An official report titled “Thailand’s Critical Birthrate Fall” estimates that the number of first-jobbers (people aged between 20 and 24) has already dropped below the number of people hitting retirement age (60 to 64 years old) in 2023.

 

“The gap between these figures threatens to cause labor shortages, raise the dependency ratio, and increase elderly healthcare expenses,” the report said.

 

Motivating people to have babies

 

If the trend of falling birthrate is not reversed, Thailand’s population will shrink from its current level of 66 million to just 33 million by 2083, says demographics expert Prof Kua Wongboonsin.

 

Projections also suggest that over the same period, the number of working-age people in the country will collapse from 46 million now to just 14 million. The number of retirement-aged Thais (over 65), meanwhile, is projected to jump from 8 million now to 18 million.

 

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Theoretically right. However, there are two issues to be fixed.

First set up a pension fund, funded by income tax or VAT.

Secondly open the borders and make Thailand a migrants "paradise". Means, give them the same rights as Thai people. (Burmese are second class people up to now)👍

[Henryford]

10 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Open the borders and give migrants a fair path to permanent residence and citizenship

Diversity Equity and Inclusion works

 

 

That has worked so well in the West !!

[Captain Monday]

9 minutes ago, Henryford said:

 

That has worked so well in the West !!

Has it not? I ask often ask my reactionary right-wing brothers to imagine the airports, Wal-Marts, factories, even the military etc of US. Now then guys please mentally subtract the prescence of all the workers and consumers who do not appear to be what they falsely consider original Americans. 

 

We have inequality and structural problems with the economy but without immigration it woould be a amall fraction of its current size

 

16 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

The borders are already open to wealthier foreigners, the country does not want them open to migrants who are just as poor or even poorer as the average of the native population.

And Xenophobia

[edwinchester]

"One of the most wonderful aspects of living in this day and age is that giving birth is now a decision, it's a choice, it's not something that's mandated like it was in the past"

 

The US seems to be trying it's hardest to change that.

[CartagenaWarlock]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Hopefully the birthrates will continue to decline worldwide, it will mean lower GDP,

By 2100, robotics and AI will take care of GDP. Countries like China, Japan, Thailand, etc. will have severe issues because of negligible immigration. The migration of Indians from the Indian subcontinent will silently conquer the USA (replacing European Americans with Indian Americans), and Western Europe will always be vassal states of the US (the USA has to take care of Europe's security so that they can run their nanny state paradise). 12% of the CEOs of the S&P 500 are now first-generation Indian Americans, and more C-suite executives are waiting in line to replace European Americans. By 2100, I bet 80% of the CEOs of the S&P 500 will be Indian Americans. The US will retain its dominance and economic might in the world due to immigration. Of course, there will be roadblocks, but America will overcome them.

Edited January 8 by CartagenaWarlock

[Captain Monday]

13 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

"One of the most wonderful aspects of living in this day and age is that giving birth is now a decision, it's a choice, it's not something that's mandated like it was in the past"

 

The US seems to be trying it's hardest to change that.

If by the US you mean red state reupublican politicians and their hand picked operatives masquerading as supreme court  judges, very true. Anyone with a uterus should move to blue state

[SiSePuede419]

80 Baht a month.

 

That's how much my 72 year old FIL collects each month from the Thai government.

 

Don't worry.  Old people in Thailand can raise vegetables, find fish in a river and live forever from one 50 pound sack of rice.

 

Old Thai people are tough. 😃

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

A new trend in the bar scene in Patts........Granny Town, not on Walking street but on Soi Zimmer Frame.

They will all be late for work then trying to get down soi Pothole!

[mikebell]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Women just don't want lots of children any more, and I don't blame them. Having to work and bring up kids as well sucks

Thai men don't either & desert the new mums-to-be at the onset of Morning Sickness.  Why are men are not made to pay for their children here? 

[thesetat]

3 hours ago, Henryford said:

So we can forget about any young girls coming into the bars. The average age now is about 40, will creep upto 50.

yeah pathetic isn't it. I have never seen so many fat old ladies trying to be bar girls that are out there now. It is scary to think what it will be like in 30 years hmm... 

As for their population, I donated 3 kids already. Can not give more haha... 

It begs to wonder with their acceptance and promotions of LBGT that perhaps they encouraged many to have same sex relationships which would never produce offspring? Hence aiding in the reduction of births. 

[brianthainess]

I can help, but only if I can be like a Thai male and never pay any maintenance.

[lordgrinz]

Well they could make porn legal, and condoms illegal, and keep bars open 24/7. It will work like magic!

[NedR69]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

One of the most wonderful aspects of living in this day and age is that giving birth is now a decision, it's a choice, it's not something that's mandated like it was in the past, and many many couples are simply saying NO! We are not going to have children, or we're only going to have one child.

 

Raising children has become very expensive, the world's becoming incredibly complicated, and a lot of us are just saying why on earth would I want to bring a child into this world right now? 

 

Hopefully the birthrates will continue to decline worldwide, it will mean lower GDP, it will mean a loss of labor force, there will probably be a certain amount of pain, but overall it's good for the planet. 

Labor shortages - maybe human labor will likely continue to get replaced by automation...self check-outs at stores, self order kiosks, autonomous driving cars/trucks, robotic manufacturing, etc.   Raising babies in LOS appears to be cheap, just continue to offload the kids to the grandmothers to care for and raise.  

[brianthainess]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

“The gap between these figures threatens to cause labor shortages, raise the dependency ratio, and increase elderly healthcare expenses,” the report said.

SM on. Needs more child labour like India and China, problem solved. Sarcasm mode off. 

[Purdey]

The majority of people here are farmers and other cheap labor. Having more babies under the current education system mean a nation of dunces one day. Giving people a future of poverty is not a choice.

[ikke1959]

Thailand will suffer indeed, not because there are more elderly, but because of the many unnecessary deaths of youth in  and because of the traffic, secondly because the daily wage is far to low to raise 1 kids how can you raise more kids as you have to problems to make end meets with 1 already?? Solve these problems first.. Start with traffic education and real tests, inform parents that Prathom 5 students are not allowed to drive motorcycles, crack down on wearing helmets, and bigger fines and severe punishments for traffic offenders to really get less accidents..And than although everybody says it is impossible raise the daily wages to a decent level... Less millions/billions profit for the business should be no issue, but almost all businesses are in hands of the Government people and the other one and they are all too rich already... Share a bit and you will get more in return

[ikke1959]

31 minutes ago, thesetat said:

yeah pathetic isn't it. I have never seen so many fat old ladies trying to be bar girls that are out there now. It is scary to think what it will be like in 30 years hmm... 

As for their population, I donated 3 kids already. Can not give more haha... 

It begs to wonder with their acceptance and promotions of LBGT that perhaps they encouraged many to have same sex relationships which would never produce offspring? Hence aiding in the reduction of births. 

If adoption is allowed by samesex couples there would be more kids, sorry to see  that you don't understand.... Homophobic reaction. Indeed samesex can't get kids, but they be adopted and lesbians maybe will carry their own babies, but the Government is doin nothing for them.. Still have to wait maybe another year...or more... promises, but no actions

[fondue zoo]

45 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Well they could make porn legal, and condoms illegal, and keep bars open 24/7. It will work like magic!

 

Isn't there a bump in pregnancies during prolonged blackouts?   Can't Charge iPad -> Genital Poker

Start sporadically turning off the power.

[Scouse123]

No shortage of kids up here in the sticks!

 

How useful this lot is in the workforce or for a labour shortage, however, is debatable.

[Scouse123]

4 hours ago, Coota said:

Judging by the number of teenage mothers walking around carrying babies at my local market here in rural Surin yesterday there is no problem, getting the them to work could be a problem though, when they grow up.

 

Up here as well, where I live.

[quake]

1 hour ago, fondue zoo said:

 

Isn't there a bump in pregnancies during prolonged blackouts?   Can't Charge iPad -> Genital Poker

Start sporadically turning off the power.

 

Yes.

But Somchai the Tea Leaf will come out to go on the rob.

[PETERTHEEATER]

5 hours ago, Denim said:

 

Could be worse.

 

It's when the action moves to soi colonoscopy bag that it's  time to quit .

Bognor Regis will start to look good for retirement  again.

Colonoscopy? It's not my bag man.

[OneMoreFarang]

"detonate"

"retirement time bomb"

 

Who comes up with those stupid terms?

I guess next they call it war on retirement, or war against people without babies or something idiotic like that.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, stoner said:

 

don't forget snaggle tooth alley in hua hin. 

If anyone is familiar with Virgin's corner in Nee Soon, age may not be a disincentive if they have dentures.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, mikebell said:

Thai men don't either & desert the new mums-to-be at the onset of Morning Sickness.  Why are men are not made to pay for their children here? 

Why don't Thai females use contraception?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Denim said:

 

Could be worse.

 

It's when the action moves to soi colonoscopy bag that it's  time to quit .

Bognor Regis will start to look good for retirement  again.

You might want to check out the difference between colonoscopy and colostomy!

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

If by the US you mean red state reupublican politicians and their hand picked operatives masquerading as supreme court  judges, very true. Anyone with a uterus should move to blue state

Having been present at many births if I woke up as a woman the first thing I'd do would be to have my uterus removed. No <deleted> would be putting a parasite in me.

[Captain Monday]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Having been present at many births if I woke up as a woman the first thing I'd do would be to have my uterus removed. No <deleted> would be putting a parasite in me.

100 percent agree but I think a tubal ligation is just as effective less invasive and you get to keep your lady parts. Maybe similar to getting snipped.

 

At least a woman can give it away I never wanted is ungrateful parasite draining my wallet from zero to 18 years of age.