Rejected at Nong Kai border for unknown reason

[siwiek]

follow up to 

 

 

So like an honest citizen I followed what the Phuket immigration police told me (then again, they were 20 year old intern girls talking to me because the police officers refused to answer any questions during that experience)... and I stayed out of Thailand until 2024 and tried to enter again via Laos border. 

 

I told the IO my story and he kind of grinned and said don't worry, it's a new year you can enter here no problem. Then he saw something on my profile in the Thai Immigration database that confused him so we went to chat with the boss. She was also very nice and couldn't believe my story, but she seemed unsure what to do because of this warning on my profile. She said that since Phuket's initial reason for denying me entry was because they suspected I had fake boarding passes, this was therefore an airport problem and she asked me to go back to Laos and fly into Thailand into Bangkok airport to "clear this" and said after that I would have no more problems. Of course, no information about exactly what I'm "clearing" or how to "clear" it and also no guarantee Bangkok will allow me into Thailand despite her assurances.

 

After the Suvanabumi Airport immigration asked for 25,000 bribe in December that I politely turned down, I decided to do everything honestly and visit Laos like the Phuket intern girls instructed me (they said Chiang Mai airport is also fine).

 

But of course this also failed and I'm out $800 in airline tickets so far trying to come back to Thailand since December.

 

[highfive]

cool story bro

[jimn]

  On 1/12/2024 at 6:56 AM, siwiek said:

I told the IO my story and he kind of grinned and said don't worry, it's a new year you can enter here no problem.

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Why did you feel the need to say anything? You should have just given the IO your passport and say nothing. Chances are you would have been stamped in with no issues.

[siwiek]

  On 1/12/2024 at 7:26 AM, jimn said:

Why did you feel the need to say anything? You should have just given the IO your passport and say nothing. Chances are you would have been stamped in with no issues.

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I debated about this. But I stayed in touch with the other guy from Europe who had the same experience as me and he went to the Malaysia Thai border to chat with police and ask for advice and they seemed to appreciate his transparency, they can see your history in the computer anyways right. And the next day the same police stamped him into Thailand. I couldn't chat with them first since there's a bus you have to take in Laos border so I just tried to mention my story briefly and the police laughed about it abd said don't worry, but he was already reading my profile in the computer anyways. Crapshoot I guess 

[jimn]

  On 1/12/2024 at 7:31 AM, siwiek said:

 

I debated about this. But I stayed in touch with the other guy from Europe who had the same experience as me and he went to the Malaysia Thai border to chat with police and ask for advice and they seemed to appreciate his transparency, they can see your history in the computer anyways right. And the next day the same police stamped him into Thailand. I couldn't chat with them first since there's a bus you have to take in Laos border so I just tried to mention my story briefly and the police laughed about it abd said don't worry, but he was already reading my profile in the computer anyways. Crapshoot I guess 

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Big mistake I think. You gave him a reason to look more closely than he would have. That border has a reputation for being a very easy one to negotiate. Giving him something to look at most definately was an error.

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 9:15 AM, eisfeld said:

  On 1/12/2024 at 7:14 AM, siwiek said:

the Nong Kai immigration boss looked me in the eyes and said

 

"Never go to Phuket."

 

apparently the open secret of Thai Immigration, Phuket is the most corrupt sadistic shethole in all of Southeast Asia 

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And this is how we know you are making things up. No IO would ever do something like that.

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How do you know that ???...  Answer is you don't... you have no idea and are projecting dumb assumptions. 

 

 

[Pattaya57]

  On 1/12/2024 at 10:12 AM, richard_smith237 said:

How do you know that ???...  Answer is you don't... you have no idea and are projecting dumb assumptions. 

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That reminds me, last IO was gorgeous and she looked me right in the eyes and asked me for my phone number and if she could call me later...

 

So glad that everything everyone posts must be true and if anyone dares to call BS on my post you'll be there to say:

 

How do you know that ???...  Answer is you don't... you have no idea and are projecting dumb assumptions. 

 

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 10:38 AM, Pattaya57 said:

That reminds me, last IO was gorgeous and she looked me right in the eyes and asked me for my phone number and if she could call me later...

 

So glad that everything everyone posts must be true and if anyone dares to call BS on my post you'll be there to say:

 

How do you know that ???...  Answer is you don't... you have no idea and are projecting dumb assumptions. 

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Dumb <deleted> hyperbolae much....      The Op has posted of his difficulties of attempting to enter over the past month.

 

Nothing the Op has written seems contrived or exaggerated at all. 

 

However, pooling everyone on the bull<deleted> category simply because this is an anonymous website highlights a cynicism highlighting your own true nature.

 

The op is struggling to enter Thailand and get back to his family. Having known numerous  Immigration officers over the years the suggestion that one of them offered the advice 'do not enter via Phuket' is not far fetched at all.

 

[eisfeld]

  On 1/12/2024 at 10:12 AM, richard_smith237 said:

 

How do you know that ???...  Answer is you don't... you have no idea and are projecting dumb assumptions.

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Come on now. A bit real world experience and common sense. Not sure why you are so combatative in your recent posts.

[it is what it is]

 

assuming this tale is genuine, a little common sense goes a long way. at immigration never draw attention to yourself, just be another tourist arriving. only speak of spoken to, remain calm and polite at all times. if an IO behaves in any way unprofessionally to your detriment calmly and clearly ask to speak to a superior.

 

personally, i've never had any issue with a thai IO, those i have seen having issues have always been brought about by their words, actions or behavior, or the words, actions behavior of their thai partner! that's tip 2, go alone.

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 11:14 AM, eisfeld said:

 

Come on now. A bit real world experience and common sense. Not sure why you are so combatative in your recent posts.

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I'm quite sympathetic to the Ops plight... 

 

He posted another thread whereby he was rejected and it seems his treatment is extremely unfair... 

 

He initially tried to return to his family flying into Phuket (after being out of the country for 5 months) and was rejected entry at the airport for what appear to be the 'whim' of the immigration officer (If I'm not mistaken the reason given was not carrying enough cash, which was incorrect as the Op points out he was carrying cash and was never asked to show it) - the Op has since identified that Immigration logged the rejection in the system as 'fake boarding pass' which seems extremely strange (how did he arrive there then ???).... 

 

It seems he's now 'in the system' after being rejected and is facing further difficulty which would appear have been create by a very negative and spiteful Immigration Officer. 

 

The Ops has since refused to pay a 25,000 baht bribe to an immigration officers in Suvarnabumi...   others trying to take advantage of someone in a moment of weakness. 

 

And now, because he's still in the system, his attempt to enter has been rejected at a land boarder. 

 

This guy is simply trying to get back to his family and I can't see what he has done wrong at all. Neither can he. 

 

So when others imply he is bull$hitting etc, I am somewhat combative, I agree with you there, but I'm combative on his behalf... He's been through enough already without us lot jumping on his back like a bunch of ayholes kicking him while he is down.

 

He also seems to have remained very calm at those who've been less than polite and implied he's a liar and making up stories. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 12:56 PM, it is what it is said:

if an IO behaves in any way unprofessionally to your detriment calmly and clearly ask to speak to a superior.

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This worked for me when Immigration Officers were being difficult...  

Long story short, my Extension of stay based on Work expired the day after I'd landed back in BKK (after being away for a month and the contract had finished), the Immigration officer stamped me in for one day based on that expiry date.

I objected and had to go push the issue up two levels before speaking to someone with reason who agreed that it was ridiculous to stamp me in for one day - the junior officers really were unimpressed at being over-ruled.

 

So, I can see how some Immigration Officers can be deliberately difficult and it appears the Op had one of those people who should never be in the position they are in. 

At the time, when the Op had entered Phuket I advised that he speak with a supervisor and someone who can see reason, but it appears that it was too late and he was left without choice or didn't push firmly enough. 

 

 

[Captain Monday]

My boarding pass is on my mobile. 

Any paper boarding pass goes into the onboard trash  where it belongs

No problems, ever. 

[DrJack54]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:09 PM, Captain Monday said:

My boarding pass is on my mobile. 

Any paper boarding pass goes into the onboard trash  where it belongs

No problems, ever

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The boarding pass should be presented along with passport to the immigration officer at pp control upon arrival. 

 

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:19 PM, DrJack54 said:

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:09 PM, Captain Monday said:

My boarding pass is on my mobile. 

Any paper boarding pass goes into the onboard trash  where it belongs

No problems, ever

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The boarding pass should be presented along with passport to the immigration officer at pp control upon arrival. 

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I was once asked for my boarding pass on arrival in BKK and I didnt have it... luckily the Immigration officer was ok about it. 

I always ensure I hold on to them now.

[DrJack54]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:39 PM, richard_smith237 said:

I was once asked for my boarding pass on arrival in BKK and I didnt have it... luckily the Immigration officer was ok about it.

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You should be asked every time.

The immigration officers accept folk not presenting it as the requirement is so naively not known and MANY do not present it at passport control. 

 

[Captain Monday]

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:19 PM, DrJack54 said:

The boarding pass should be presented along with passport to the immigration officer at pp control upon arrival. 

 

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It should be or it must be?
 

If the IO want to know what flight I came off they can ask. Here is the check in kiosks at Changi airport for Scoot airlines.  No reason for me to stop here, I check in online, boarding pass on mobile, no “flipping thru the passport”  for an visa, onward ticket or the most ridiculous lie in The history of air travel to Thailand of 6 month passport validity needed. Leave that to the tattooed teenagers of Hot Springs, Arkansas Delta airlines check in counter. 

 

Even if you have checked baggage (a mugs game ) all you have to do is put your passport facial page into their machine. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Captain Monday]

Anyway I thought I was on “permanent ignore” I did not print out a boarding pass to purposely shame myself this month, just to prove that it can be thrown in the garbitch with no penalty and no question asked. 

[DrJack54]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:06 PM, Captain Monday said:

If the IO want to know what flight I came off they can ask

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Ridiculous. As I stated in post above.

The io overlooks the requirement as so many travelers are ignorant.

As your post indicates. 

Don't understand the departure reference and pic.

I'm referring to international arrivals as I did in several recent trips for arrival at destination and arrival return to Thailand 

[beautifulthailand99]

  On 1/12/2024 at 9:06 AM, bbi1 said:

Surprised the mods didn't ban that person after their initial 1st troll post. Now another troll post by the same bored old dude with too much time on his hands.

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They always know to disable the recent visitors on the profile as well..........

[Captain Monday]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:12 PM, DrJack54 said:

Ridiculous. As I stated in post above.

The io overlooks the requirement as so many travelers are ignorant.

As your post indicates. 

Don't understand the departure reference and pic.

I'm referring to international arrivals as I did in several recent trips. 

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I’m not sure what you are saying

I’m talking about international arrivals 

even at the Chiang Mai airport international arrivals counter there is a bit of paper that says present boarding pass. My boarding pass is in my Apple iOS wallet or in the trash on the airplane. If that is is unacceptable they can check their records or even send me back. I do not care. Requirement? Utter pish 

 

I have flown to Thailand hundreds of times over 26 years asked for a “boarding  pass “ a hand full of times. Meaning 3-5 times 

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:06 PM, DrJack54 said:

  On 1/12/2024 at 2:39 PM, richard_smith237 said:

I was once asked for my boarding pass on arrival in BKK and I didnt have it... luckily the Immigration officer was ok about it.

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You should be asked every time.

The immigration officers accept folk not presenting it as the requirement is so naively not known and MANY do not present it at passport control. 

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Upon departure, yes.... But upon arrival its something I've only ever been asked to show once (about two years ago) and I'm making about 8 International arrivals / entry's per year....  So its clearly not something they ask for with any degree of frequency.

 

That said, after being asked for it once, the boarding pass is something I always have in my possession at least until I depart the airport.

 

The issue the Op encountered is that the Immigration officers reported that they suspected he had a fake boarding pass and that was the reason for his rejection, although it appears at the time he was told his rejection was because he didn't show 20,000 Baht in cash (although he had it and was never asked for it).... 

 

That Immigration Officer at Phuket seems like a complete 'wrong-un' and set the ball rolling on a path of ridiculous inconvenience and hassle for the Op... 

 

[DrJack54]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:24 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Upon departure, yes.... But upon arrival its something I've only ever been asked to show once (about two years ago) and I'm making about 8 International arrivals / entry's per year....  So its clearly not something they ask for with any degree of frequency

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Been discussed many times.

Such an experienced traveller should know better.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1280942-suvarnabhumi-immigration-entry-processing-boarding-pass-required-from-your-arrival-flight-18122022/

 

That thread is BKK.

Other airports (eg Saigon) even moreso 

[Captain Monday]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:24 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Upon departure, yes.... But upon arrival its something I've only ever been asked to show once (about two years ago) and I'm making about 8 International arrivals / entry's per year....  So its clearly not something they ask for with any degree of frequency.

 

That said, after being asked for it once, the boarding pass is something I always have in my possession at least until I depart the airport.

 

The issue the Op encountered is that the Immigration officers reported that they suspected he had a fake boarding pass and that was the reason for his rejection, although it appears at the time he was told his rejection was because he didn't show 20,000 Baht in cash (although he had it and was never asked for it).... 

 

That Immigration Officer at Phuket seems like a complete 'wrong-un' and set the ball rolling on a path of ridiculous inconvenience and hassle for the Op... 

 

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It is a ridiculous assertion that boarding passes can be faked. Maybe the one you print at home on A4 or letter size.
 

Normal one on thermal paper or on that airline card stock? Then how do the fakirs get on the plane when the barcode does not match an open seat

[siwiek]

Anyone who says

 

"pics or didn't happen"

 

"there must be more to this story"

 

"we're you dressed like a dirty hippie"

 

should be banned from this board, I will keep reporting all your troll responses and hopefully mods continue removing the rest of your worthless use of bandwidth 

[siwiek]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:49 PM, Captain Monday said:

It is a ridiculous assertion that boarding passes can be faked. Maybe the one you print at home on A4 or letter size.
 

Normal one on thermal paper or on that airline card stock? Then how do the fakirs get on the plane when the barcode does not match an open seat

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don't you dare ask this to Phuket immigration or they will mark you as a international fugitive in the Thai Immigration database 😆

[Captain Monday]

  On 1/12/2024 at 4:05 PM, siwiek said:

 

don't you dare ask this to Phuket immigration or they will mark you as a international fugitive in the Thai Immigration database 😆

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I never doubted your submissions

Maybe just a new “excuse”

Like people who were denied entry for “insufficient funds” ignoring after they proffered the wad of thousands of dollars in $100 bills. 

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:40 PM, DrJack54 said:

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:24 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Upon departure, yes.... But upon arrival its something I've only ever been asked to show once (about two years ago) and I'm making about 8 International arrivals / entry's per year....  So its clearly not something they ask for with any degree of frequency

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Been discussed many times.

Such an experienced traveller should know better.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1280942-suvarnabhumi-immigration-entry-processing-boarding-pass-required-from-your-arrival-flight-18122022/

 

That thread is BKK.

Other airports (eg Saigon) even moreso 

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I have only ever been asked for a boarding pass upon arrival once...  (out of every country I travel to for over two decades of frequent travel)...  

Since that time, I always ensure I keep my boarding pass just in case.

 

So,.. I should know better, for what exactly ???

[richard_smith237]

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:49 PM, Captain Monday said:

  On 1/12/2024 at 3:24 PM, richard_smith237 said:

The issue the Op encountered is that the Immigration officers reported that they suspected he had a fake boarding pass and that was the reason for his rejection, although it appears at the time he was told his rejection was because he didn't show 20,000 Baht in cash (although he had it and was never asked for it).... 

 

That Immigration Officer at Phuket seems like a complete 'wrong-un' and set the ball rolling on a path of ridiculous inconvenience and hassle for the Op... 

 

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It is a ridiculous assertion that boarding passes can be faked. Maybe the one you print at home on A4 or letter size.
 

Normal one on thermal paper or on that airline card stock? Then how do the fakirs get on the plane when the barcode does not match an open seat

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Exactly, but apparently thats is what the Op was told was recorded into the system against his name. 

 

[Taopoon]

I read siwiek's latest posts and can explain what happened and how it all works. The real clue is what visa agent told... there is a note in the profile (immigration database). You've been refused entry in Phuket because you had too many tourist visa entries overall or in a short timespan. How many is too many... depends on the mood of IO. This is not related to boarding pass stuff in any way (maybe you misunderstood the situation).

 

Seems like you were not denied entry in Nong Khai, they just cancelled your exit stamp from Lao side, right? Every immigration checkpoint as every Thai embassy overseas is different in their policies so you might get lucky when you try another entry point, nothing stops you from that, you're not blacklisted. Get tourist visa in Vientiane, fly to Kuala Lumpur then fly local to Alor Setar, take Grab taxi to KTM station then it's 40 minutes to Padang Besar border checkpoint. They will take you to supervisor, tell them a better story about Phuket airport immigration asking to show 20,000 THB in cash and you didn't have that, also you didn't book return ticket at that time. Now you have all that and can show bank account statement, also they can ask where do you work and why do you visit Thailand so often. Prepare your answers beforehand. If they send you back, go try Sadao border nearby. In general, it's better to switch to long-term visa ASAP.