2 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Thats is almost laughable when you see the sheer distruction of residentail blocks one after another raised to the ground.  Do you seriously want us to believe their was a Hamas soldier hiding in every house in block after block?  Nice try lol!

Not every. Almost all, I believe it. 

Just now, couchpotato said:

Thats a bit of a hash statement there Nicky boy

 

   It is a straight forward question . 

Other than military means , how should Israel free the hostages and bring the Hamas criminals to justice ?

   What other way is there ?

 

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What other way is there to get the hostages released ?

Historically, there have been many hostages released without a full scale invasion and killing of what is in the main many innocent civilians, did the USA invade Iran for the Embassy hostages? It is likely a way to get the hostages killed too. Sure, Hammas made a grave error here, and appears not to care about it's own people....

This action will generate hate of Israel for decades in the Arab world. Israel is creating demonstration and terrorist behaviors in other countries too. 

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Historically, there have been many hostages released without a full scale invasion and killing of what is in the main many innocent civilians, did the USA invade Iran for the Embassy hostages? It is likely a way to get the hostages killed too. Sure, Hammas made a grave error here, and appears not to care about it's own people....

This action will generate hate of Israel for decades in the Arab world. Israel is creating demonstration and terrorist behaviors in other countries too. 

 

   So, what should Israel have done to get the hostages released ?

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, what should Israel have done to get the hostages released ?

Deal with Hammas on a diplomatic level.....

Have a non-invasive siege of the enclave.

Negotiation could have been tried.

I of course do not have the solutions, but is the current slaughter of innocents and abject misery being put upon families of poor people the only solution? Blowing up hospitals is the answer....?

 

 

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Deal with Hammas on a diplomatic level.....

Have a non-invasive siege of the enclave.

I of course do not have the solutions, but is the current slaughter of innocents and abject misery being put upon families of poor people the only solution? Blowing up hospitals is the answer....?

 

 

 

   Negotiate ?

Israel releases 1000's of convicted terrorists from their jails and pay huge amounts of money for the release of the hostages ?

   The release  of that would be many more October 7 ths in the future .

Do you think that the Hamas murderers and rapists and baby killers should evade justice 

 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Do you think that the Hamas murderers and rapists and baby killers should evade justice 

No, as much as I think the many thousands of poor families deserve to be slaughtered and forced from their homes. The Israelis have killed far more babies than Hamas. 

23 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

The world should know that. And the responsible killers be prosecuted by International court as demanded by South Africa. Probably UN peacekeeping forces should be sent to stop that genocide.

 

I suggest you try to find out the meaning of the word ‘genocide’ … because this is the second consecutive post in which you have used the word, without obviously having the faintest idea of its meaning

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

No, as much as I think the many thousands of poor families deserve to be slaughtered and forced from their homes. The Israelis have killed far more babies than Hamas. 

 

Oh, I see we have another Hamas apologist on here 

24 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Deal with Hammas on a diplomatic level.....

 

Difficult to believe that anyone could have so little grasp on reality that they could actually write those words

31 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Deal with Hammas on a diplomatic level.....

Have you ever read the founding charter of Hamas  ? ..... English translation is available, I suggest you acquaint yourself with it before making such puerile comments 

29 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

I suggest you try to find out the meaning of the word ‘genocide’ … because this is the second consecutive post in which you have used the word, without obviously having the faintest idea of its meaning

That's another useless post of yours. It's easy to make a point by saying somebody doesn't know anything. However, without giving your personal opinion it's just a joke, showing only a lack of knowledge and intelligence unfortunately.👍

13 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

That's another useless post of yours. It's easy to make a point by saying somebody doesn't know anything. However, without giving your personal opinion it's just a joke, showing only a lack of knowledge and intelligence unfortunately.👍

 

Balderdash; you incorrectly used the word ‘genocide’ in two consecutive comments, and I was merely pointing out your erroneous use of the word.

 

It is a word that is often incorrectly thrown at Israel by Hamas apologists because of its emotive, and sensationalist effect. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming that you didn’t know the meaning of the word, rather than that you were simply being an apologist for terrorists.   

 

 

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Blowing up hospitals is the answer....?

 

 

Well, maybe ask the Hamas affiliated Palestinian Islamic Jihad, who fired a rocket that blew up the al-Ahli Hospital; a tragedy that was then immediately, and completely incorrectly blamed on Israel by the BBC’s vile, antisemitic racist Jon Donnison.

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

I suggest you try to find out the meaning of the word ‘genocide’ … because this is the second consecutive post in which you have used the word, without obviously having the faintest idea of its meaning

 

81 statements by senior Israeli officials demonstrating genocidal intent.

13 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Well, maybe ask the Hamas affiliated Palestinian Islamic Jihad, who fired a rocket that blew up the al-Ahli Hospital; a tragedy that was then immediately, and completely incorrectly blamed on Israel by the BBC’s vile, antisemitic racist Jon Donnison.

 

link?

23 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

When was a 2,000 pound bomb dropped on an apartment building not indiscriminate bombing?

 

 

So all it takes is one going astray then it's "indiscriminate"? You are aware that the IDF take steps to try to minimize civilian casualties, correct? But it is war, and there's no way to avoid that completely.

 

Did Hamas try to avoid civilian casualties when they violated the ceasefire and kicked this whole thing off (with the support of Iran and Russia)? Actually it's clear that they deliberately targeted them and avoided any direct conflict with the IDF. No comment about that?

18 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Well, maybe ask the Hamas affiliated Palestinian Islamic Jihad, who fired a rocket that blew up the al-Ahli Hospital; a tragedy that was then immediately, and completely incorrectly blamed on Israel by the BBC’s vile, antisemitic racist Jon Donnison.

Then Hamas first claimed 800 Palestinians were killed before revising it down to 480+. Western Intelligence however marked it at far less, between 50 - 200. This is what happens when Hamas control death figures and try to blame Israel for launching the strike when it was Hamas own rocket.

1 minute ago, JCauto said:

 

So all it takes is one going astray then it's "indiscriminate"? You are aware that the IDF take steps to try to minimize civilian casualties, correct? But it is war, and there's no way to avoid that completely.

 

Did Hamas try to avoid civilian casualties when they violated the ceasefire and kicked this whole thing off (with the support of Iran and Russia)? Actually it's clear that they deliberately targeted them and avoided any direct conflict with the IDF. No comment about that?

 

There were hundreds and they don't go astray. That's complete BS. The aircraft were not under attack.

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

many, many links already posted.

 

Says the man that has just asked for a link to the remarkably well documented explosion at the al-Ahli Hospital ….

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Says the man that has just asked for a link to the remarkably well documented explosion at the al-Ahli Hospital ….

 

Not what I asked for a link to. A claim of fact was made without a link.

2 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

So all it takes is one going astray then it's "indiscriminate"? You are aware that the IDF take steps to try to minimize civilian casualties, correct? But it is war, and there's no way to avoid that completely.

 

Did Hamas try to avoid civilian casualties when they violated the ceasefire and kicked this whole thing off (with the support of Iran and Russia)? Actually it's clear that they deliberately targeted them and avoided any direct conflict with the IDF. No comment about that?

 

    Israel also send messages to the inhabitants to vacate the area , told them that it would be bombed soon 

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Deal with Hammas on a diplomatic level.....

Have a non-invasive siege of the enclave.

Negotiation could have been tried.

I of course do not have the solutions, but is the current slaughter of innocents and abject misery being put upon families of poor people the only solution? Blowing up hospitals is the answer....?

 

 

Blowing up hospitals is the answer....?

 

No hospitals have been blown up, a hospital car park was by a Hamas rocket which ended up killing lots of its own citizens.

 

Hospitals also lose their protected status when used as terror bases and run by terrorists.

 

The head of a Gaza hospital has admitted to being a senior Hamas commander — and detailed how the terror group transformed the medical site into an operational hub that once housed a kidnapped Israeli soldier.

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Deal with Hammas on a diplomatic level.....

Have a non-invasive siege of the enclave.

Negotiation could have been tried.

I of course do not have the solutions, but is the current slaughter of innocents and abject misery being put upon families of poor people the only solution? Blowing up hospitals is the answer....?

 

 

 

First of all, there had been a negotiated ceasefire before Hamas decided to violate it by carrying out a pogrom in a deliberate attempt to provoke the Israelis into retaliation. This succeeded. They knew this would be the result and gleefully ensured it with their appalling rape and violence. They did so while making sure that all their military facilities were surrounded by innocent Palestinians so that their human shields would die and they could parade the dead before the gullible fools who take their words at face value.

Tell me about Hamas negotiating position with respect to Israel. You should know it already, it's clearly written in their charter and they repeat it ad infinitum. It can be summed up by "all Israelis dead". "Non-invasive siege" - that's essentially the situation pre-conflict. Didn't work so well for either side. You did write one cogent thing - that you don't have the solution. Neither does anyone else. But it surely isn't one where Hamas is agreeing to peace, giving up the hostages and moving towards development of their land and people instead of a single-minded focus on the destruction of Israel. Should be, but never will until these terrorists are destroyed.

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Balderdash; you incorrectly used the word ‘genocide’ in two consecutive comments, and I was merely pointing out your erroneous use of the word.

 

It is a word that is often incorrectly thrown at Israel by Hamas apologists because of its emotive, and sensationalist effect. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming that you didn’t know the meaning of the word, rather than that you were simply being an apologist for terrorists.   

 

 

You're just one of those ignorants. Useless for any discussions, incapable to learn but proud of knowing nothing. 🙏

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

There were hundreds and they don't go astray. That's complete BS. The aircraft were not under attack.

 

LOL. You new to warfare? There's smart bombs, and there's dumb ones. The smart ones are expensive, and they're not the majority of what's dropped in any war for that reason. Have you observed anything in Ukraine? It's such a dumb comment, you'd have to be living in a box to have such a lack of understanding.

22 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Thats is almost laughable when you see the sheer distruction of residentail blocks one after another raised to the ground.  Do you seriously want us to believe their was a Hamas soldier hiding in every house in block after block?  Nice try lol!

 

Read the responses, it's easily explained. Trying to be droll and disingenuous isn't very convincing.

26 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You're just one of those ignorants. Useless for any discussions, incapable to learn but proud of knowing nothing. 🙏

 

It is not my fault if you do not know the correct meaning of certain English words; assuming that your first language is English, that responsibility lies with the authority responsible for your English language education ….. I guess the irony of calling me ignorant is somewhat lost on you.

 

 

On 1/15/2024 at 7:50 AM, newbee2022 said:

The world should know that. And the responsible killers be prosecuted by International court as demanded by South Africa. Probably UN peacekeeping forces should be sent to stop that genocide.

ÚN peacekeeping forces are utterly, utterly, useless.

 

The vast majority are there for the money. The UN pays their governments a lot of money to hire the troops, who are supposed to arrive trained, equipped and ready to go.

 

I remember the Bangladeshi Battalion which arrived in former Yugoslavia. Understrength, barely trained, light arms only, virtually no ammunition, virtually no vehicles or communications, no rations or procurement ability, no cold weather equipment, no real medical services. They were starving, sick and shivering within a couple of weeks - had to be fed and looked after by the rest of the UN forces. 

 

They were known as the Olympic Flames, as they never went out!

On 1/15/2024 at 7:37 AM, newbee2022 said:

If the genocide war against the Palestinian civilians will stop I suppose the hostages will get back to their families.....or had died already, killed by Israel's war machine.😕

 

What 'genocide'?

 

As for your 'I suppose' - what is this based on?

 

Your last part is just the usual vile nonsense. Apparently not an issue that they were taken hostage, even.