Trump is dominating the primaries. That doesn’t mean he’ll beat Biden

[candide]

10 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Quite a few Haley voters in NH were Dems who didn't want to waste a perfectly good vote, because the DNC isn't counting primary votes from NH. 

 

That's why 70% of Haley voters were registered as "undeclared", while 70% of Trump voters were registered as Repubs.

 

 

Just another Trump lie (among others) during his speech! Despite Trumps record as liar, you don't check his claims before reposting them?

 

"Trump misleadingly claimed that “they accept Democrats to vote” in New Hampshire’s Republican primary. Only people registered as Republican or undeclared can vote in the primary, and the deadline for Democrats to switch their party affiliation was Oct. 6."

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/factchecking-trumps-new-hampshire-victory-speech/

[novacova]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

Just another Trump lie (among others) during his speech! Despite Trumps record as liar, you don't check his claims before reposting them?

 

"Trump misleadingly claimed that “they accept Democrats to vote” in New Hampshire’s Republican primary. Only people registered as Republican or undeclared can vote in the primary, and the deadline for Democrats to switch their party affiliation was Oct. 6."

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/factchecking-trumps-new-hampshire-victory-speech/

You are aware that these so called fact checkers are nothing more than a lying propaganda tool for the left, right?

[novacova]

On 1/24/2024 at 4:52 AM, Social Media said:

Trump is dominating the primaries. That doesn’t mean he’ll beat Biden

…as long as they can tinker with the votes.

[candide]

17 minutes ago, novacova said:

You are aware that these so called fact checkers are nothing more than a lying propaganda tool for the left, right?

You are aware It's just a pathetic attempt to divert attention from the content of my post, right?

Edited January 25 by candide

[impulse]

29 minutes ago, candide said:

Just another Trump lie (among others) during his speech! Despite Trumps record as liar, you don't check his claims before reposting them?

 

"Trump misleadingly claimed that “they accept Democrats to vote” in New Hampshire’s Republican primary. Only people registered as Republican or undeclared can vote in the primary, and the deadline for Democrats to switch their party affiliation was Oct. 6."

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/01/factchecking-trumps-new-hampshire-victory-speech/

 

NH voted in February, last year to hold the first-in-the-nation primary, as they have since 1920.  The DNC rules from 2022 said that any state holding a rogue primary wouldn't only get half the delegates, and any candidate that visits the state will get none from that primary.  Meaning that the Dem primary didn't count for nuthin.  (DNC thumbing their nose at the voters, yet again)

 

So that was plenty of time for Dems to change their registration to "undeclared" by Oct 6 so they could vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary.  Since a vote in the Dem primary would simply be wasted, I'm surprised that any of them even cast a vote in the Dem primary. 

 

In fact, why do you figure that, in a Blue state, over 310,000 voted in the Red primary and only about 120,000 voted in the Blue primary?  (I'm basing that on about 95+% of the votes counted by AP)

 

Exit polls showed that 70% of Trump voters were registered Repubs and 70% of Haley voters were registered undeclared.

 

The question is whether that was a grassroots effort of individual voters or yet another DNC dirty trick to hurt Trump and the Repubs.

 

https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2023/02/09/defying-dnc-state-senate-passes-unanimous-resolution-supporting-first-in-the-nation-primary/

 

 

Edited January 25 by impulse

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

NH voted in February, last year to hold the first-in-the-nation primary, as they have since 1920.  The DNC rules from 2022 said that any state holding a rogue primary wouldn't only get half the delegates, and any candidate that visits the state will get none from that primary.  Meaning that the Dem primary didn't count for nuthin.  (DNC thumbing their nose at the voters, yet again)

 

So that was plenty of time for Dems to change their registration to "undeclared" by Oct 6 so they could vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary.  Since a vote in the Dem primary would simply be wasted, I'm surprised that any of them even cast a vote in the Dem primary. 

 

In fact, why do you figure that, in a Blue state, over 310,000 voted in the Red primary and about 120,000 voted in the Blue primary?

 

Exit polls showed that 70% of Trump voters were registered Repubs and 70% of Haley voters were registered undeclared.

 

The question is whether that was a grassroots effort of individual voters or yet another DNC dirty trick to hurt Trump and the Repubs.

 

https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2023/02/09/defying-dnc-state-senate-passes-unanimous-resolution-supporting-first-in-the-nation-primary/

 

 

They were all voters, right?

 

They all get to vote as they wish.

 

Let us know when you have evidence of this ‘dirty trick’ you allude to.

 

 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

NH voted in February, last year to hold the first-in-the-nation primary, as they have since 1920.  The DNC rules from 2022 said that any state holding a rogue primary wouldn't only get half the delegates, and any candidate that visits the state will get none from that primary.  Meaning that the Dem primary didn't count for nuthin.  (DNC thumbing their nose at the voters, yet again)

 

So that was plenty of time for Dems to change their registration to "undeclared" by Oct 6 so they could vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary.  Since a vote in the Dem primary would simply be wasted, I'm surprised that any of them even cast a vote in the Dem primary. 

 

In fact, why do you figure that, in a Blue state, over 310,000 voted in the Red primary and about 120,000 voted in the Blue primary?

 

Exit polls showed that 70% of Trump voters were registered Repubs and 70% of Haley voters were registered undeclared.

 

The question is whether that was a grassroots effort of individual voters or yet another DNC dirty trick to hurt Trump and the Repubs.

 

https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2023/02/09/defying-dnc-state-senate-passes-unanimous-resolution-supporting-first-in-the-nation-primary/

 

 

So your conspiracy theory is that Dem voters would have changed their registration months in advance, so they can vote at the GOP primaries, in order to help the Republican candidate which is the more likely to beat Biden?

Ahem! What to say ...😁

Edited January 25 by candide

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

So your conspiracy theory is that Dem voters would have changed their registration months in advance, so they can vote at the GOP primaries, in order to help the Republican candidate which is the more likely to beat Biden?

Ahem! What to say ...

 

So your contention is that Dem voters aren't very smart?  And can't plan even one move ahead?

 

Edited January 25 by impulse

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So you're contention is that Dem voters aren't very smart?  And can't plan even one move ahead?

 

Or they could have been distracted doing other stuff instead, like for example, reading books.

 

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or they could have been distracted doing other stuff instead, like for example, reading books.

 

I'm sure that even a mental midget, given the 7 months between February and October, could brain through the thought that "I can't cast a meaningful vote for my guy, but I can vote against that guy I hate".  Even if they read a lot of books.  I do believe most Dems are capable of walking and chewing gum.  Multi-tasking is what I think the kids call it.

Edit:  Who knows, maybe they worked it out at their book club meetings.

 

Edited January 25 by impulse

[candide]

32 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So your contention is that Dem voters aren't very smart?  And can't plan even one move ahead?

 

My contention is that:

1. They likely had other things to do than to follow the script of this  conspiracy theory

2. Calculating individuals, who may have had in mind to influence GOP primaries, surely knew that Haley was the candidate most likely to beat Biden.

 

Edit: I checked the number, 4000 dems changed registration last year in NH, for whatever reason Haley got 139,469 votes. So even if your conspiracy theory is true, 4000 votes is peanuts.

Edited January 25 by candide

[ozimoron]

57 minutes ago, novacova said:

You are aware that these so called fact checkers are nothing more than a lying propaganda tool for the left, right?

 

So you're claiming that registered dems could vote in the NH GOP primary? Is the fact checker correct or not?

[stoner]

11 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You mean like in 2020?  Even if they did, it won't be enough.

 

i'll take that bet.

[Danderman123]

41 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So your contention is that Dem voters aren't very smart?  And can't plan even one move ahead?

 

What's your point?

 

Instead of beating around the bush, what are you trying to prove?

 

Trump lied about Dems being able to vote in the NH primary. Are you really trying to defend his lie?

 

There *are* open primaries, where anyone can vote for either party, but NH is not one of them. Trump must have had a brain fade, or was just lying to confuse you about something for some reason.

[Walker88]

Nikki Haley is finally taking off the gloves. She is calling out trump as a coward, asking why is he afraid to debate her? (Actually, his campaign team likely knows trump is cognitively impaired and would probably make dozens of gaffes in a live debate.)

 

Haley is also raising a lot of money after NH, despite her 2nd place finish, albeit 10 points higher than the pre-election polls suggested. She is now the recipient of big Republican donors like the Koch Brothers, and next week she is hosting fund raising programs on Wall Street.

 

trump already ranted about her fundraising, saying he will blacklist anyone who donates to her. Clearly he is scared. Haley is hitting trump where it hurts 2nd most (his ego), while NYC is hitting him where it hurts most (the Carroll Defamation trial and the penalty for his conviction for bank and insurance fraud).

 

trump is only going to behave even more erratically as an opponent--a WOMAN, at that---is coming after him. It is going to be such fun watching him meltdown like the Wicked Witch in the Wizard of Oz.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

…as long as they can tinker with the votes.

Who is "they"? Hugo Chavez?

[Danderman123]

34 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I'm sure that even a mental midget, given the 7 months between February and October, could brain through the thought that "I can't cast a meaningful vote for my guy, but I can vote against that guy I hate".  Even if they read a lot of books.  I do believe most Dems are capable of walking and chewing gum.  Multi-tasking is what I think the kids call it.

Edit:  Who knows, maybe they worked it out at their book club meetings.

 

Biden won the Dem primary with write in votes.  That's what the Dems were gaming.

 

Or else a bunch of Republicans changed parties last year so they could write in Biden.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

You are aware that these so called fact checkers are nothing more than a lying propaganda tool for the left, right?

Rather than an ad hominem attack, do you believe that registered Dems could vote for Haley in the NH primary?

 

I will take your silence or deflection as agreement that Trump lied about this.

Edited January 25 by Danderman123

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump lied about Dems being able to vote in the NH primary. Are you really trying to defend his lie?

 

Did he claim registered Dems can vote in the Repub primary?  Or just closet Dems, registered as undeclared?  Or did he just say "Democrats"?

 

Frankly, if registering as undeclared allows me to choose which primary I vote in on the day, I don't know why anyone would register otherwise.  Unless it's for the bumper sticker they send you...  Because I'm sure not going to attend their meetings.  Most voters won't.

 

[Walker88]

17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Who is "they"? Hugo Chavez?

Yes, Hugo is kind of like Haley's (sic) Comet (oooh, isn't she the comet coming for trump!).

 

Hugo rises from the dead once every four years and hacks voting machines via an Italian satellite...EXCEPT for down ballot Repubs, who insist their own elections on the very same ballots were 100% legit.

Edited January 25 by Walker88

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Did he claim registered Dems can vote in the Repub primary?  Or just closet Dems, registered as undeclared?  Or did he just say "Democrats"?

 

Frankly, if registering as undeclared allows me to choose which primary I vote in on the day, I don't know why anyone would register otherwise.  Unless it's for the bumper sticker they send you...  Because I'm sure not going to attend their meetings.  Most voters won't.

 

Trump said " Democrats" which was enough to make people think he meant that Nikki Haley was getting a bunch of votes from registered Democrats.

 

Do you agree that Trump gave the wrong impression?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

…as long as they can tinker with the votes.

Oh dear, another "the election was stolen" true believer. Hurry up and send your donation, although it will more likely go to pay the few incompetent lawyers he has left.

 

Trump has lost multiple times. He has a rusted-on base that terrifies Republicans That doesn't mean he can convince swing voters and independents to change back again, given the chaos of his single term.

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I'm sure that even a mental midget, given the 7 months between February and October, could brain through the thought that "I can't cast a meaningful vote for my guy, but I can vote against that guy I hate".  Even if they read a lot of books.  I do believe most Dems are capable of walking and chewing gum.  Multi-tasking is what I think the kids call it.

Edit:  Who knows, maybe they worked it out at their book club meetings.

 

What mental midgets can brain through is not in question.

 

You’ve floated a conspiracy, but have zilch to back it up.

 

So you get all hurt and sarcastic.

 

Update us when you have some evidence.

 

 

 

Edited January 25 by Chomper Higgot

[Walker88]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Update us when you have some evidence.

 

 

 

trumpers have changed the name of 'evidence' to 'alternative facts'.

 

Also, they coined the non sequitur 'truth isn't truth'

 

They've also re-written the famous George Costanza line (Seinfeld):

 

"It's not a lie if the goobers believe it".

 

Cut them some slack, to a person they're, at best, in the remedial class.

Edited January 25 by Walker88

[Lacessit]

The only president in US history to have non-consecutive terms in office was Grover Cleveland, who won the popular vote three times in a row. He definitely did not have Trump's indictment baggage.

Trump has lost the popular vote twice, in 2020 by 7 million. He has alienated millions of women voters by taking credit for the Supreme Court striking down Roe vs Wade.

 

IMO that would tell any sensible person Trump is toast in 2024, one way or another.

 

[Tug]

Obviously trump is vulnerable I’m hoping Nicky can hang in and continue to rip trump I feel she can be far more effective with the retrumplikans than any msm source (Fox isn't btw) and if by some reason she does become president she will be ok,not my choice but she will be just fine.I hope she points out the willful torpedoing of the border security at the hands of congress and the betrayal of a nation bravely fighting for its life all at the behest of one Mr trump im personally horrified at what the republicans have become under trump,almost perhaps fully a tool of Putin………

[NoDisplayName]

On 1/24/2024 at 4:52 AM, Social Media said:

Iowa Caucuses: Weakness in Numbers:
Contrary to the media's portrayal of Trump's victory in Iowa as a landslide, a closer look reveals a more nuanced reality. Trump garnered just 56,260 votes out of 2,083,979 registered voters in Iowa, representing less than 3% of the electorate. This raises questions about the extent of his actual dominance, especially when considering that 50% of Republican caucus-goers identified as non-Maga, with three-quarters of them opposing Trump.

 

That's a strange take on Iowa.

 

Considering the weather......
 

Quote

 

Wind chills are expected to be between minus 35 degrees and minus 45 degrees. Caucus sites open at 6 p.m., but there could be lines as people register or check-in. Be sure to keep skin covered up with hats, gloves, and coats — frostbite can set in in just 10 minutes in those temperatures, according to the National Weather Service.

 

Republicans here were expecting a flurry of political activity in the closing days before Monday's caucuses. Instead, they got a "life-threatening" blizzard that, along with bone-chilling temperatures, imperils voter turnout.

 

 

..........I'm surprised that many showed up for a primary.

 

And claiming Trump "only" got 51%?

 

Quote

Since the advent of the modern primary process in 1972, the previous record for margin of victory in a competitive GOP race in Iowa was set by Sen. Bob Dole, who beat evangelical heavyweight Pat Robertson by 13 points in the 1988 caucuses. Dole won 37.4% of the straw poll....

 

Sets new records = losing?

 

That doesn't make any sense.

 

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

…as long as they can tinker with the votes.

Got any evidence of significant voter fraud?

 

Or is it just something you saw on Russia Today?

[NoDisplayName]

On 1/24/2024 at 4:52 AM, Social Media said:

This raises questions about the extent of his actual dominance, especially when considering that 50% of Republican caucus-goers identified as non-Maga, with three-quarters of them opposing Trump.

 

How many opposing Trump were actually Republican?

 

Quote

 

Any person voting at a precinct caucus must be a registered voter and resident of Iowa, and a registered member of the political party living in the precinct in which they intend to caucus. Individuals may register to vote or change their party affiliation at the caucus.

 

https://www.thegazette.com/iowa-caucuses/can-you-change-your-party-on-caucus-day-in-iowa-yes-heres-how/

 

 

Iowa has day-of party registration. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

 

Trump has just pulled out of another rally, no explanation given.

 

A pattern is emerging.