Despite U.S. pressure, the idea of a Palestinian state seems farther away than ever

[simple1]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

It's not advisory. It's an order when they issue a ruling.

 

Unfortunately it's all rather "so what". Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations U.N. Accordingly I assume Israel will ignore any advisory / ruling of the ICJ the Israelis consider not to their advantage.

[Jeff the Chef]

The state of Israel has violated many international laws, including United Nations Resolutions and the Laws of War and
Occupation as stated in the Fourth Geneva Convention. Below is a summary of some of those violations. Much of the fact sheet was taken from the Israeli Law Resource Center (ILRC). Related articles and laws by the ILRC are linked below.

 

 

https://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

USA is not a State member of ICJ so cannot veto any decision by the Court.

The ICJ has no power of enforcement, so any resolution to do so has to go to the UN, and the US will veto it there.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The ICJ has no power of enforcement, so any resolution to do so has to go to the UN, and the US will veto it there.

 

 

   Israel are complying with the ICJ resolutions , Hamas have not complied with the iCJ

 resolutions .

[simple1]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel are complying with the ICJ resolutions , Hamas have not complied with the iCJ

 resolutions .

 

One month after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered “immediate and effective measures” to protect Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip from the risk of genocide by ensuring sufficient humanitarian assistance and enabling basic services, Israel has failed to take even the bare minimum steps to comply, 

 

https://www.amnesty.org.au/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/#:~:text=One month after the International,bare minimum steps to comply%2C

[ezzra]

On 2/29/2024 at 3:10 PM, Jeff the Chef said:

The state of Israel has violated many international laws, including United Nations Resolutions and the Laws of War and
Occupation as stated in the Fourth Geneva Convention. Below is a summary of some of those violations. Much of the fact sheet was taken from the Israeli Law Resource Center (ILRC). Related articles and laws by the ILRC are linked below.

 

 

https://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf

 

 

 

 

I wonder, why there is absolutely no stance from the international community who cares SO MUCH for the Palestinians for the 600,000 dead and the devastating mortality rate in a war the Ethiopian government has deliberately tried to shield from international public,

And with 5.5 million displaced, starving Sudanese. I wonder why there are no repercussions for Syria’s President Assad who murdered over 300,000 Syrians. Where are the furious voices demonstrating the “disappearance” of an estimated 12 million mainly Muslim Uighur in China. Well, that's because they're not Jews
Let’s be clear, to this very day, the Hamas charter calls for the obliteration of Israel,  And just to be even more clear, there are 22 Arab countries in the Middle East with an estimated population of 330 million Muslims. and tiny Israel is fighting for its life...

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

One month after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered “immediate and effective measures” to protect Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip from the risk of genocide by ensuring sufficient humanitarian assistance and enabling basic services, Israel has failed to take even the bare minimum steps to comply, 

 

https://www.amnesty.org.au/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/#:~:text=One month after the International,bare minimum steps to comply%2C

 

  

   As the Palestinians are not complying with the ICJ ruling then why should Israel have to comply ?

Its not fair that only one side needs to comply to he rules and the other doesn't 

[sirineou]

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Despite U.S. pressure, the idea of a Palestinian state seems farther away than ever

It is as far away as it always were. 

The Israelly plan is to be there enough generations so that they are the de facto indigenous population of that area.

There never was a Palestinian state option, aside from all the other issues the demographics do not allow it.  

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, sirineou said:

It is as far away as it always were. 

The Israelly plan is to be there enough generations so that they are the de facto indigenous population of that area.

There never was a Palestinian state option, aside from all the other issues the demographics do not allow it.  

Jews already are indigenous to Israel. Have been for thousands of years. Long before Arab colonialists entered the area. 

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Jews already are indigenous to Israel. Have been for thousands of years. Long before Arab colonialists entered the area. 

then there should be no problem 

[simple1]

37 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 As the Palestinians are not complying with the ICJ ruling then why should Israel have to comply ?

Its not fair that only one side needs to comply to he rules and the other doesn't 

 

As Hamas is not a State what ICJ ruling applied to Hamas? In any case it is expected democratic elected governments comply with and recognise international law. I seriously doubt anyone expects a terrorist group to do so. It is true to say some democratic countries are hypocrites by viewing themselves as exceptions from the norms of international laws, whilst demanding others comply.

[Bkk Brian]

52 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

As Hamas is not a State what ICJ ruling applied to Hamas? In any case it is expected democratic elected governments comply with and recognise international law. I seriously doubt anyone expects a terrorist group to do so. It is true to say some democratic countries are hypocrites by viewing themselves as exceptions from the norms of international laws, whilst demanding others comply.

As Hamas is not a State what ICJ ruling applied to Hamas?

 

You could always read the ICJ orders and provisional measures issued 26th Jan to find out what Hamas has ignored

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

then there should be no problem 

Whatever that's supposed to mean.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

As Hamas is not a State what ICJ ruling applied to Hamas? In any case it is expected democratic elected governments comply with and recognise international law. I seriously doubt anyone expects a terrorist group to do so. It is true to say some democratic countries are hypocrites by viewing themselves as exceptions from the norms of international laws, whilst demanding others comply.

 

   That puts terrorist groups at an advantage though and it would help them to win a war .

If terrorists don't abide to the laws and rules, then neither should the neither side . In what other contest does only one side have to abide by the rules ?

[sirineou]

49 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Whatever that's supposed to mean.

 

I think you do, but it does not fit your narrative, so you pretend that you do not.

But just in case you are sincere and you don't understand what the problem is, let me try and explain.  

Indigenous to a geographical location  people change as differed groups arrive,and live there for many generations,   depart, or are displaced. 

The western part (costal ) of Anatolia was Greek. The ruins are Greek , the inscriptions on the temples are in Greek there is along and documented Greek history there. . These facts are not in dispute.

 Turkish invaders arrived from central Asia and by force replaced the indigenous population. 

Constantinople Fell 1453

Fast forward about 600 years later do the Greeks have a claim to that area? and if they had the political and military power to do . what are the now indigenous Turks  that have lived there for close to  600 years (20 generations) supposed to do? 

That's  a problem.

I suggest that a similar problem exists in the area of interest to you. 

 

 

Edited March 1 by sirineou
typo

[Jingthing]

29 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 

I think you do, but it does not fit your narrative, so you pretend that you do not.

But just in case you are sincere and you don't understand what the problem is, let me try and explain.  

Indigenous to a geographical location  people change as differed groups arrive,and live there for many generations,   depart, or are displaced. 

The western part (costal ) of Anatolia was Greek. The ruins are Greek , the inscriptions on the temples are in Greek there is along and documented Greek history there. . These facts are not in dispute.

 Turkish invaders arrived from central Asia and by force replaced the indigenous population. 

Constantinople Fell 1453

Fast forward about 600 years later do the Greeks have a claim to that area? and if they had the political and military power to do . what are the now indigenous Turks  that have lived there for close to  600 years (20 generations) supposed to do? 

That's  a problem.

I suggest that a similar problem exists in the area of interest to you. 

 

 

Israel exists and isn't going anywhere.

Try to change that and you've got a big problem.

Edited March 1 by Jingthing

[sirineou]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Isreal exists and isn't going anywhere.

Try to change that and you've got a big problem.

sure!!

Take it easy!!  I don't want a problem

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

sure!!

Take it easy!!  I don't want a problem

 

Too bad the Palestinians don't feel that way.

[sirineou]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Too bad the Palestinians don't feel that way.

Or the Israelis 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

Or the Israelis 

 

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

Or the Israelis 

They do.

 

Isreal exists and isn't going anywhere.

Try to change that and you've got a big problem.

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

They do.

 

Isreal exists and isn't going anywhere.

Try to change that and you've got a big problem.

If Israel continues to break international law and kill innocent women and children, there will be a big problem. I can't believe there are non-Israelis supporting them. 

[sirineou]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

They do.

 

Isreal exists and isn't going anywhere.

Try to change that and you've got a big problem.

And there it is..

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

If Israel continues to break international law and kill innocent women and children, there will be a big problem. I can't believe there are non-Israelis supporting them. 

What about Hamas?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

That

 

So Israel should just passively accept genocidal terrorists?

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That puts terrorist groups at an advantage though and it would help them to win a war .

If terrorists don't abide to the laws and rules, then neither should the neither side . In what other contest does only one side have to abide by the rules ?

 

Disagree, as do many senior Western military commanders.

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

As Hamas is not a State what ICJ ruling applied to Hamas?

 

You could always read the ICJ orders and provisional measures issued 26th Jan to find out what Hamas has ignored

 

Can't be bothered. Know Hamas, as will Israel, ignore if not to their advantage.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Can't be bothered. Know Hamas, as will Israel, ignore if not to their advantage.

So you cant be bothered to read up on the basics of the topic, got it. 

[Neeranam]

23 hours ago, ezzra said:

 

I wonder, why there is absolutely no stance from the international community who cares SO MUCH for the Palestinians for the 600,000 dead and the devastating mortality rate in a war the Ethiopian government has deliberately tried to shield from international public,

And with 5.5 million displaced, starving Sudanese. I wonder why there are no repercussions for Syria’s President Assad who murdered over 300,000 Syrians. Where are the furious voices demonstrating the “disappearance” of an estimated 12 million mainly Muslim Uighur in China. Well, that's because they're not Jews
Let’s be clear, to this very day, the Hamas charter calls for the obliteration of Israel,  And just to be even more clear, there are 22 Arab countries in the Middle East with an estimated population of 330 million Muslims. and tiny Israel is fighting for its life...

Persecution complex. 

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So Israel should just passively accept genocidal terrorists?

What do you think of the latest attrocity, killing 100 civilians who were just trying to get food?

Can't believe you are still defending Israel on a public forum. 

[Nick Carter icp]

59 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What do you think of the latest attrocity, killing 100 civilians who were just trying to get food?

Can't believe you are still defending Israel on a public forum. 

 

    Israel have stated that most of those killed were killed by the trucks driving through the crowd and killed by being trampled on by other Palestinians