Controversy erupts as Thai doctors clash over mRNA vaccine effect

[shunter]

Remember that drug panacea for all, ''Thalidomide''? The experts at the time wouldn't listen to or look at the delights that Thalidomide endowed upon babies.

 

Big Phara was and still is about profit over the collateral  damage known as people.

 

Thalidomide is now used as a cancer and leprosy  treatment, the babies of the time were Big Pharma lab subjects.

[Freddy42OZ]

This is a good article - https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/anti-vaccine-documentary-died-suddenly-wants-you-feel-not-think

It makes a very good point when the author says "People want to feel like their concerns are heard. Being dismissed can lead to loss of trust, which can send people looking for empathy in the wrong places."   

It never really occurred to me that part of the reason that so many people seem to gravitate towards conspiracies is they don't have the education to understand things that frighten them, and those of us who are educated do tend to treat these people as if they should just stop being stupid.  

Certainly in the western world there are vast numbers of people who are being dismissed as unimportant, there is a growing divide between let's call them "the struggling" and "the thriving". 

The "struggling" being working class people, who have been promised a good life by the great Western dream, or by all the marketing that tells everyone they can have a great life and all the nice things.  When in reality that isn't close to possible.   

Not everyone can have a nice middle class life, with no financial pressure.  Most people are going to have to scrimp and save if they want to amass any decent amount of money.  Unfortunately these people have also all been given credit and it seems most of them don't have the financial education to use that properly, hence millions of them in debt to credit card companies and banks.

Then you have "The Thriving" who are people who, for whatever reason, are making good money, have got a good life and are seen in marketing campaigns and social media flaunting their wonderful lives.  These people are typically well educated, and in positions of authority. 

The "struggling" are being made to feel more and more ignored and marginalised by the "thriving".   Which in turn makes them lose trust in the government (especially if it's a Gov they didn't vote for), and not trust anything coming from the side of the fence where the people who seem to get all the breaks are ie the 'Thriving". 

I really think this divide is largely caused by the class and socioeconomic differences.  The only people I see or hear believing in conspiracies seem to be working class types who I'm guessing  didn't have the best educations (beyond the basics of reading, writing and arithmetic).  They are not typically private school educated members of society, in highly technical or science based jobs. 

People in the West have been brainwashed to believe that everyone should have a comfy life, they forget how lucky they were to have been born in their society at all. Sure, they may be at the bottom of the UK (for example) social ladder, but at least they weren't born into a slum in Calcutta. 








 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, rtco said:

 

 

Being new technology the mRNA vaccine, and others that were new, were always going to be more of a risk than proven methods. A friend of mine had his first 2 of AZ but then a booster of mRNA, within weeks he developed bullous pemphigoid. He was in a very bad way mentally as the doctors struggled to bring the condition under control. He was unaware of any relationship with the vaccine and went along for his second booster, the condition flared up again. Fortunately second time around the doctors were better placed to bring it under control much quicker. There is no cure and he will have to live with the condition and medication for the rest of his days.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9339096/

[spidermike007]

I got 3 shots, only because I needed it to travel. Now that they are not required anymore for travel, I will never get another one. I depend on my healthy immune system. And I am far more concerned about getting a flu, than a feeble version of covid. 

 

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trolling comment removed

[klauskunkel]

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Thai doctors clash over mRNA vaccine effect

scalpels at dawn

[deesquared]

14 hours ago, pomchop said:

you mean the maga morons who drank bleach and stuck a light up their butts or the excess deaths caused by people refusing the vaccines?

Literally, none of what you just said actually happened. Wow.

[jaywalker2]

14 hours ago, johng said:

Oopps !!!!!  Safe and Effective

 

There is also an article in the paper that cannot be named on here  entitled

Long Covid, vaccines may cause disease and death: Chula, Rangsit

 

also a new study

COVID-19 vaccines and adverse events of special interest: A multinational Global Vaccine Data Network (GVDN) cohort study of 99 million vaccinated individuals.

found here

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.vaccine.2024.01.100

which concludes

While our study confirmed previously iden­tified

rare safety signals following COVID-19 vaccination and contributed evidence on several other important outcomes, further
investigation is warranted to confirm associations and assess clinical
significance.

An analysis of the study. Maybe not as convincing as the testimony of an embalmer, but, still, actual evidence.

 

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/the-largest-safety-study-of-covid-vaccines-finds-rare-issues/

[jaywalker2]

1 minute ago, jaywalker2 said:

An analysis of the study. Maybe not as convincing as the testimony of an embalmer, but, still, actual evidence.

 

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/the-largest-safety-study-of-covid-vaccines-finds-rare-issues/

Two points: all of the adverse events are extremely rare and most seem to be due to the Astra Zeneca vaccine, which was never offered in the US and is no longer offered in Europe (Are they still offering it here?)

[stargrazer9889]

I feel lucky to be alive, one of my relatives,died from the first covid variant, before

vaccines were available. He was fit and only in his early 40s.

  Since I have been vaccinated against lots of other diseases, I have been healthy.

  I did not get typhoid, tb, or colera etc.so I feel fortunate to get those

shots. That is my opinion.

 

 

[ozimoron]

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This is exactly the the point. Cardiovascular is one of the reasons. If you want to find out I suggest researching. Why is the big question and it's a question not even being discussed by governments. One could even start thinking that the conspiracy isn't on the side of the so called nutters but from those who are running the show.

 

The nutters believe that doctors have no idea what is causing excess deaths.

[retarius]

14 hours ago, pomchop said:

you mean the maga morons who drank bleach and stuck a light up their butts or the excess deaths caused by people refusing the vaccines?

There's none so blind as those whop will not see. 

[retarius]

13 hours ago, Emdog said:

A forensic doctor from the Bhumibol Adulyadej Hospital, Auttasit Dunamnuay, disagreed with Thiravat shared information from the English YouTuber, and retired nurse educator,

If I were a gambling man, I'd put my money on a forensic doctor over a nurse educator knowing what's going on.

Any time something is ingested or shot into your body, there is a risk. Somewhere between 351 and 420,000 people die from food poisoning each year world wide. I'll keep on eating despite the risk

Some people have died from vaccines. That is a fact. But there are mountains of evidence that death rate from covid was far lower among populations that got a good vaccine compared to those who skipped

I'm gonna live forever or die trying

I'd put my money on someone honest. This cover cup has gone on far too long. The questions raised need answers not platitudes. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, deesquared said:

Literally, none of what you just said actually happened. Wow.

There were a large number of excess deaths from Covid in 2021. Most of these excess deaths were among the unvaccinated.

 

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The claim I replied to, "The narrative was NEVER that it will stop the virus from spreading", is false.

There was a brief period when the vaccines were very effective against the virus spreading. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, shunter said:

Remember that drug panacea for all, ''Thalidomide''? The experts at the time wouldn't listen to or look at the delights that Thalidomide endowed upon babies.

 

Big Phara was and still is about profit over the collateral  damage known as people.

 

Thalidomide is now used as a cancer and leprosy  treatment, the babies of the time were Big Pharma lab subjects.

So, modern medicine is not for you?

 

Are you a fan of leeches?

[Bday Prang]

               The whole charade has been lie after lie.  from the very start.regarding =:  Its origin ? Who was responsible? The death rate, (especially the projected numbers) ?    The computer modelling?  The effectiveness of lockdowns?  The ever increasing infectiousness?    Then add in the involvement of "big Pharma",     a good dosing of corruption ,   the breathtaking amount of money available for the taking , and the darker side of human nature.    Then finally top it off with a healthy dose of governmental incompetence, a bit more corruption,  political point scoring,  opportunities for  experimental social engineering,  and then finally add the ever present mainstream media who never let the truth get in the way of a good story

                 Those questioning anything are behaving perfectly rationally, who wouldn't have concerns, bearing in mind any of the above?  The asking of questions and seeking answers and or  the truth,  are fundamental aspects of human nature, "instinctive" for want of a better word and an essential part of our evolution and development

                 Those turning on them often quite viciously hurling insults are not, there is little to be gained, by simply accepting everything we are told, especially by incompetent governments and those with vested interests    but they are however  a shining example  of the effectiveness of propaganda  and how through the skillful use of fear , people can not only be persuaded to believe anything that inspires hope and makes them feel safe.  but they can also be motivated to do the authorities work for them by attacking anybody who spoils their comforting illusion by  disagreeing or simply just questioning

                   Its quite telling that those questioning things on here are doing simply that, But without exception   Its those clinging to the narrative that are behaving aggressively

 

 

[transam]

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

 

 

Let's hope you don't get a serious ailment then.

Plus, we must assume you have never been to the doctors or needed hospital help.....?   🤔

Oh, if it wasn't for the things you despise, I would be blind now...........

[xylophone]

14 hours ago, proton said:

 

Campbell is a nurse not a medical Dr, his opinion is no better than anyone else's

More importantly, he has been censured for promoting ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as drugs that will cure Covid, and this nonsense has been debunked time and time again. 

 

There is an excellent link here that posters should read because it lays out the details of this charlatan, and how he only really started to make money when he jumped onto the Covid bandwagon.

 

John Campbell conspiracy theory nonsense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)

 

Just for the record, with some vaccinations there is a possibility that the body will react to this by producing a cytokine storm which in rare cases may cause death, but it is not the norm. And remember that many of us have been receiving vaccinations over decades past, and indeed I've had three Covid vaccinations.

[Cat Boy]

John Campbell has long noted excess deaths that are not attributed to Covid-19 and recently noted these white blood clots post mortem but he has NOT attributed the former with the later. Those excess deaths remain unexplained, while this Thai doctor's assertion of a relationship with mRNA vaccines is unsupported and unattributable to John Campbell. 

[NRGF]

There's no getting away from it, life kills. No one gets out alive. 

[Ben Zioner]

41 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

               The whole charade has been lie after lie.  from the very start.regarding =:  Its origin ? Who was responsible? The death rate, (especially the projected numbers) ?    The computer modelling?  The effectiveness of lockdowns?  The ever increasing infectiousness?    Then add in the involvement of "big Pharma",     a good dosing of corruption ,   the breathtaking amount of money available for the taking , and the darker side of human nature.    Then finally top it off with a healthy dose of governmental incompetence, a bit more corruption,  political point scoring,  opportunities for  experimental social engineering,  and then finally add the ever present mainstream media who never let the truth get in the way of a good story

                 Those questioning anything are behaving perfectly rationally, who wouldn't have concerns, bearing in mind any of the above?  The asking of questions and seeking answers and or  the truth,  are fundamental aspects of human nature, "instinctive" for want of a better word and an essential part of our evolution and development

                 Those turning on them often quite viciously hurling insults are not, there is little to be gained, by simply accepting everything we are told, especially by incompetent governments and those with vested interests    but they are however  a shining example  of the effectiveness of propaganda  and how through the skillful use of fear , people can not only be persuaded to believe anything that inspires hope and makes them feel safe.  but they can also be motivated to do the authorities work for them by attacking anybody who spoils their comforting illusion by  disagreeing or simply just questioning

                   Its quite telling that those questioning things on here are doing simply that, But without exception   Its those clinging to the narrative that are behaving aggressively

 

 

I am pretty sure you didn't go to Northern Italy in early 2020. Or anywhere to nearby France a couple of months later. Dunno UK, but I think they ended up short of hospital begs too.

 

And of course all these people (RIP), who died lying of their tummies were just the biggest hoax ever. 

 

Please AN do something about these post Covid threads, there is some entertaining manure but the stench can get overwhelming. IMHO  topics like this one should be vetted by a qualified moderator.

[xylophone]

13 hours ago, James105 said:

Did the vaccines contribute in any meaningful way to this figure?  Who knows, but it would require the idiotic governments who absolved Big Pharma of any liability to instigate some kind of investigation, and the scientists (no doubt funded by Big Pharma) to carry it out, so it would be a complete waste of time to spend even more millions on something that is already drafted to say "safe and effective and climate change is responsible" for any excess deaths.  

I wondered when someone would roll out the "big Pharma" catchphrase, and it's a wonder that Bill Gates hasn't been mentioned somewhere in amongst the nonsense.

 

Out of the many hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of doctors and, physicians, professors and lab workers in the world, is it really possible that they all could be silenced if there was a major fault in this vaccination/program – – not really when you think about it logically, but then logic rarely means anything to those people who quote "big Pharma", Bill Gates and various other conspiracy theories.

 

I had my first vaccinations in 1952 or thereabouts and I've had plenty since, and with working in tropical countries, they were mandated, I also had a shot of immunoglobulin in 1970 before going to work overseas, something which is being looked at again to assist in long Covid symptoms, and new research suggests that it's the actual Covid virus that causes this, nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccination.

[namatjira]

16 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Only big news in Thailand on many other news website around the world there is no mention of anything yet

Not true there are doctors discussing this on YouTube 

[xylophone]

13 hours ago, dinsdale said:

By the way he has had professors on his channel. Now please say they are not experts.

Unfortunately there are a one or two medical folks out there who can be just as stupid as the likes of the doctors who promoted ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as cures for Covid.....America’s Frontline Doctors:

 

Simone Gold, a Beverly Hills physician who founded a doctors’ organisation that challenged pandemic public health measures and promoted unproven covid therapies, has been sentenced to 60 days in prison by a US federal court in Washington, DC, for illegally entering the US Capitol building during the riot on 6 January 2021.

Gold came to prominence in July 2020 with a viral video introducing America’s Frontline Doctors on the steps of the US Supreme Court. Seven white coated physicians denounced lockdowns and masks, questioned the utility of vaccines, and touted the benefits of hydroxychloroquine, a drug which had recently been endorsed by Donald Trump.

Most of the organisation had no experience treating covid patients, but Gold was then a working emergency department physician. Trump later retweeted the video, making her an overnight star in the conservative media. She has 482 000 Twitter followers, is banned by Facebook, and …

https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o1533

 

 

 

 

[cdemundo]

Sadly, there is no unambiguous yawn emoji, so lacking that:

"Yawn".

 

Edited February 22 by cdemundo

[xylophone]

5 hours ago, Zab1e said:

No a lot is being mentioned  … 

 

Jeez.......You've got to be desperate quoting Marjorie Taylor Green, because she is an absolute nut job, out and out, and then some!

[ChrisParis75]

"In a peer-reviewed pre-proof accepted for publication in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, researchers presented two cases that demonstrate, for the first time, the ability of COVID-19 vaccines to penetrate the fetal-placental barrier and reach the inside of the uterus. Additionally, researchers detected spike protein in placental tissue, indicating the bioactivity of the mRNA in reaching the placenta."

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002937824000632

 

No link whatsoever of course with the steep decline of births observed in many countries in 2021, 2022 and 2023...

 

And remember that they told  us in 2021 that the "vaccines" STAYED in the location of the injections...

 

It's funny how "science" can evolve... in just a few years...

 

Enjoy your products "safe and effective".

[connda]

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

I know many. Some still suffering from long covid.

If you have long covid, make sure to get all your shots and get your boosters as soon as they come out.  Mix and match experts say.  Get them as often as you can. 
Safe and effective.  Don't listen to conspiracy theory.  Keep your mRNA spiked protein levels titrated on the high side or the deadly covid mutations will get you for sure.  Keep the faith. Get the shots.  And mask up.

[pomchop]

18 hours ago, dinsdale said:

You need to check some facts regarding excess deaths. A % are attributed to covid deaths but not all. 

 

Estimated preventable COVID-19-associated deaths due to non-vaccination in the United States

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10123459/

 

u mean like the estimated 230 k extra deaths in usa in 15 months?  did anybody say all?

[pomchop]

4 hours ago, retarius said:

There's none so blind as those whop will not see. 

 

Estimated preventable COVID-19-associated deaths due to non-vaccination in the United States

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10123459/