The prospect of a second Trump presidency has the intelligence community on edge

[Walker88]

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

A legend in your own mind I see.

Have you been measured for the box yet? Times 'a wastin'

 

You're not getting any younger nor any more cognizant. It would be rude and unfair to foist the arrangements on those whom you think love you.

 

This began with you feeling you needed to tell me something, for reasons having everything to do with your own dissatisfaction with what you made of your one life. I can only guess why you felt compelled to take a shot at me, but the only thing I can figure is what I wrote: that you had little fun and little excitement since birth, and resent anyone who you suspect might have had more fun.

Edited February 29 by Walker88

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Mate it is as if the left are so blind that they cannot see that their 'reality' is falling apart all over the world. Right win conservative governments are being elected everywhere - because law and order and economic strength is more important to people than the feeelings of fringe elements in society or the idiocy of environmentalists tryinh to 'save the planet' by killing people and economies.  But reality will eventually win out - it was inevitable - all the things we righties have been saying would happen for decades are happenning. 

 

Look lefties this is an example of reality - the reality that us righties see a lot more clearly than yourselves.  USA and Europe - they are illegal invaders that should all be arrested and deported - they are not refugees 'seeking safety from wars and death'.  You want to see what those people look like - face west and look at what is coming our of Myanmar - that is what refugees look like - and what have you been doign about that - nothing - why - because you are 'followers of a narrative' and you have not been told to follow that issue.  More and more people are seeing reality and listening to the righties - and as soon as they do that they realiseand say to themselves 'WTF". Pandering to minorities and throwing human rights (and money) at people with problems is not how to solve a problem.  Start thinking critically - stop believing the BS - you have to want to see reality to see it - grow up and stop being a child - unicorns and utopia are not real  - it is all a lie - we will all do what is best for ourselves and our families - we cannot save all the people and the planet does not need us to save it - grow up dammit.  

If you truly believe in what you post, you should fall behind Liz Cheney and her like minded conservative allies. MAGA is not representing the right but representing Trump. Someone who instigate an insurrection, use language borrowed from Mein Kampf and called for retribution against his perceived enemies is not right conservative and I wouldn’t even call them a far right. Far far worse. 

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

 

It's entirely plausible that Western democratic governments have come to see Trump as an existential threat. Just look at what Trump has done to undermine trust and respect for Western institutions and values, (the judiciary, the scientific community, the press, law enforcement, intelligence services, election integrity, the rule of law, the balance of power between the president, congress and the courts, NATO.

 

Or how much damage he is has done to the US social fabric: (stoking racial tensions, encouragement of right wing militia groups (Proud Boys, Three Percenters, his remarks following Charlottesville), the threatening of political violence and civil war, stoking political polarization, disrespect for science and scientists (covid & climate change), income inequality (created by tax policies which overwhelmingly favored the wealthy), rollbacks in environmental protections, affirmative action programs and reproductive rights (all of which have disproportionally impacted lower income communities), and a general breakdown in political discourse caused by constant lying, and an unwillingness to agree on a set of facts.

 

Or how Trump has repeatedly cozied up to authoritarian leaders (Putin, Kim, bin Salman, Orban).

 

That Western alliance governments and intelligence services have come to view Trump as a threat should come as a surprise to no one. 

I had no idea that Trump was able to accomplish all of that in four years.  Sure you haven't missed anything?

[Walker88]

There are additional concerns for a 2nd trump disaster which would have the intel community concerned. They relate to capabilities of US intel and trump’s desire to use those capabilities against domestic critics.

 

I’ll give an example. Imagine an online Forum called, say, EU-Visa. Imagine there are members who use screen names like littlenok or HaveNoMoney on EU-Visa. From any post they upload, no matter if they use a VPN or TOR or anything to try to hide their identity, US intel can identify them. There is no place to hide online. The CIA or NSA can use such capability against non-US Persons, while the FBI can use it domestically. There are rules and checks, so it is not abused (of course those who know nothing will swear it is).

 

Within microseconds a complete picture of someone can be gained…any device they use or have previously used can be accessed. Who they are, where they are 24/7, every social media account they have ever had, their income and tax returns, bank accounts, subscriptions and memberships…everything. Their devices can be accessed and downloaded, so if they have anything untoward on their hard drive, it will be discovered. This is how pedos, white supremacist terrorists, etc., are rolled up, as well as how agencies directed at international crime and terror can find bad guys. It has only gotten better since 9-11.

 

The rules are strict, but if there is probable cause, warrants are issued. This is how the cooperation between the trump campaign and Russian operatives like Konstantin Kilimnik was discovered, and why Paul Manafort was convicted and only pardoned by trump, who likely feared exposure.

 

So…..be careful what you post on this site or Facebook or TikTok or Instagram or Reddit or anywhere, because nothing is anonymous.

 

The intel community knows full well trump would use this capability against critics; hence the fear.

[Roo Island]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If you truly believe in what you post, you should fall behind Liz Cheney and her like minded conservative allies. MAGA is not representing the right but representing Trump. Someone who instigate an insurrection, use language borrowed from Mein Kampf and called for retribution against his perceived enemies is not right conservative and I wouldn’t even call them a far right. Far far worse. 

Proof that the GOP has succumbed to Trump? McConnell will no longer be head of the Republicans in the senate.

[Roo Island]

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I had no idea that Trump was able to accomplish all of that in four years.  Sure you haven't missed anything?

January 6th

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, Dolf said:

The CIA, FBI are crooks. Have been since the start. Do some reading.

Where are you doing this reading? History books? You might as well read about your countrymen stealing lands from the native Australians or about British Colonialism. Ain't nobody innocent. Has the statute of limitations expired yet?

 

Things change. A shut-in like you in rural Thailand doesn't exactly have access to solid recent (i.e., last 45 years) information, but no doubt (goal) seek and ye shall find.

 

Let me guess...you think the agency ran drugs from South America or Afghanistan, or maybe was behind 9-11, because you "did research" on the internet.

 

Aren't you the guy who swears you can make money trading moving averages, in a world where guys like Jim Simons and Ken Griffin and DE Shaw exist?

 

LOL

 

Knock yourself silly if being "aware" (sic) gives your life meaning.

[Gecko123]

15 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I had no idea that Trump was able to accomplish all of that in four years.  Sure you haven't missed anything?

If you're suggesting that I've unfairly blamed Trump for all the evils in the world, chose the most egregious example you can find from my post, and I will be happy to expound further.

[Walker88]

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you believe that anyone as low in the food chain as your wife would be in the "deep state" I have a bridge for sale, perhaps 2 or 3.

 

We, the peasants that exist to make the 1% rich, will never know who they are, but they sure ain't married to people that post on AN.

You really don't know anything at all, and are as naive as a victim of a Nigerian 419 scam, if you believe in the silly fantasy called "Deep State".

 

Who would these Deep Staters be? I bet you think they commute via the Bathyscaph Trieste and shop at Titanic Duty Free and have voices lower than Barry White and Paul Robeson. Maybe 10' Shape-Shifting Green Lizard People?

 

Hard to believe some people reach adulthood with such childlike gullibility and naivete.

 

LOL

[Hawaiian]

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

 

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

If you're suggesting that I've unfairly blamed Trump for all the evils in the world, chose the most egregious example you can find from my post, and I will be happy to expound further.

Notice that I did not use the word blame?  And that was intentional.

Edited February 29 by Hawaiian
correction

[Dolf]

Trump is bad

Same thing daily

6am to midnight Trump is in their heads

 

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Just now, Dolf said:

Trump is bad

Same thing daily

6am to midnight Trump is in their heads

 

Do you believe that in a threat entitled  "The prospect of a second Trump presidency has the intelligence community on edge", members should not be mentioning him? Got any other ridiculous observations to share with us?

[TroubleandGrumpy]

20 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If you truly believe in what you post, you should fall behind Liz Cheney and her like minded conservative allies. MAGA is not representing the right but representing Trump. Someone who instigate an insurrection, use language borrowed from Mein Kampf and called for retribution against his perceived enemies is not right conservative and I wouldn’t even call them a far right. Far far worse. 

If you truly believe that you are being rational then you should fall in behind Kennedy and other Democrats that are trying hard to push back against the radical far left that has taken hold over the Party.  Your reasonable points alude to being a rational leftie, and it is you guys that need to get your Party back to the middle. As Elon so clearly conveyed, your Party has gone far left.   Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc. And to then have nothing happen to the sitting President, when it was ascertained he had similar documents stored in his garage, speaks volumes about what the Democrat Party has become. If you want more, just look at the attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) that has not been proven in a Court, but what is merely political rhetoric by the Democrats. The onyl reason Trump has not been charged with issurection is because that would give Trump the opportunity to prove that the claims fo an insurrection are compltete political fabrication.  And meanwhile there are Americans still being held in jail for allegedly attempting an unarmned insurrection, when in fact all they did was tresspass and protest a political matter - something that radical Democrats have done themselves in the past.  

 

Yes Trump is an idiot and a political incompetent and is extremely brash and rude at times. But the reason so many Americans voted for him, and will again, is because he speaks out against the Democrat Party and how it is trearing down the American values and all the PC rubbish they hate.  The biggest reason he won in 2016 was because Clinton was clearly guilty of breaking several laws and she got away with it right in front of the American people - they had enough of that going on and turned to Trump as a change.

 

Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest'.  Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish, and then after 4 years the American people become more 'moderate' and elect a more 'central' POTUS that hopefully both the Democrats and Republicans will nominate. Trump will then become a part of American history - and seen as a response to the far left woke progressive lunacy that had taken over US politics, but not something that they want to see continue after he had done the job he was elected to do. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, johng said:

He is accused  he has not been judged.

please try to see the difference.

You think the ICC takes out arrest warrants for innocent people?

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4 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest'.  Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

 

Whatever case you might have had, and what evidence you did provide shows how poorly you understand the documents case against Trump, this paragraph of yours clearly indicates why your comments are laughable. Unless, of course, you can prove evidence that the election really was stolen from Trump.

[Walker88]

47 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If you truly believe in what you post, you should fall behind Liz Cheney and her like minded conservative allies. MAGA is not representing the right but representing Trump. Someone who instigate an insurrection, use language borrowed from Mein Kampf and called for retribution against his perceived enemies is not right conservative and I wouldn’t even call them a far right. Far far worse. 

I wonder what he means by "economic strength"?

 

The current US economy is the best it has been since the late 1990s under Clinton. It's booming under Biden.

 

The US does need a true Conservative Party, just as it needs a true Liberal Party. It currently has a fringe on the left that is more noise than anything else, but the majority liberal center has things going gangbusters. The right, however, ceased to exist and what remains is a cult of personality that is against everything the US was intended to be.

[Walker88]

14 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Trump is bad

Same thing daily

6am to midnight Trump is in their heads

 

And his rightful critics are in your head.

 

I assume you are disabled and a shut-in, which is why you post tens of thousands of comments under numerous names. I have sympathy for your affliction, but that doesn't mean I would refrain from criticizing you, as that would be treating you unfairly.

[Hawaiian]

49 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

There are additional concerns for a 2nd trump disaster which would have the intel community concerned. They relate to capabilities of US intel and trump’s desire to use those capabilities against domestic critics.

 

I’ll give an example. Imagine an online Forum called, say, EU-Visa. Imagine there are members who use screen names like littlenok or HaveNoMoney on EU-Visa. From any post they upload, no matter if they use a VPN or TOR or anything to try to hide their identity, US intel can identify them. There is no place to hide online. The CIA or NSA can use such capability against non-US Persons, while the FBI can use it domestically. There are rules and checks, so it is not abused (of course those who know nothing will swear it is).

 

Within microseconds a complete picture of someone can be gained…any device they use or have previously used can be accessed. Who they are, where they are 24/7, every social media account they have ever had, their income and tax returns, bank accounts, subscriptions and memberships…everything. Their devices can be accessed and downloaded, so if they have anything untoward on their hard drive, it will be discovered. This is how pedos, white supremacist terrorists, etc., are rolled up, as well as how agencies directed at international crime and terror can find bad guys. It has only gotten better since 9-11.

 

The rules are strict, but if there is probable cause, warrants are issued. This is how the cooperation between the trump campaign and Russian operatives like Konstantin Kilimnik was discovered, and why Paul Manafort was convicted and only pardoned by trump, who likely feared exposure.

 

So…..be careful what you post on this site or Facebook or TikTok or Instagram or Reddit or anywhere, because nothing is anonymous.

 

The intel community knows full well trump would use this capability against critics; hence the fear.

 

 

What makes you so sure that this hasn't already been used to spy on innocent Americans.  Check and balances?  If there is a will, there is a way. Some of the best hackers in the world work for America's adversaries.

[nauseus]

20 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump could not care less about stopping or starting wars. That's just feeding the gullible chooks. He wanted to attack Iran to boost his poll numbers in 2019.

All Trump cares about is staying out of jail, and he knows that's inevitable if he does not win.

 

Link-less rubbish..

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Have you been measured for the box yet? Times 'a wastin'

 

You're not getting any younger nor any more cognizant. It would be rude and unfair to foist the arrangements on those whom you think love you.

 

This began with you feeling you needed to tell me something, for reasons having everything to do with your own dissatisfaction with what you made of your one life. I can only guess why you felt compelled to take a shot at me, but the only thing I can figure is what I wrote: that you had little fun and little excitement since birth, and resent anyone who you suspect might have had more fun.

At least your posts are getting shorter. Jesus they were long winded. Seems to me your job is all you are, all you were. Without the job you're nothing but a boring old man. 

[placeholder]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

At least your posts are getting shorter. Jesus they were long winded. Seems to me your job is all you are, all you were. Without the job you're nothing but a boring old man. 

Flaming much? You've got nothing.

[transam]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

At least your posts are getting shorter. Jesus they were long winded. Seems to me your job is all you are, all you were. Without the job you're nothing but a boring old man. 

And you're not.......?  

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Reason? You should try some of that. "It'll be WILD!" (trump's Tweet calling his goobers to DC for 6 January). How about "Go fight like hell" and "You'll never take your country back being weak".

 

ALL of those were his fragile ego loser attempts to overthrow democracy. THAT is why decent people hate him. Democracy is something we cherish.

 

I wonder about your hate. I suspect most is self-directed. Heaven forbid you ever lost access to this Forum, as it seems to be pretty much all you have in life, what with tens of thousands of posts in numerous iterations.

 

This thread is about the intel community's fears for what trump has it mind. It is entirely justified, because trump has no understanding nor appreciation of what US ideals mean. He is 100% self-serving. That you and others cannot see that is astonishing, as he is a transparent as a jellyfish, with an equal strength of backbone.

 

The usual Walkers Book of Selective Quotations. Sales still struggling?

[Dolf]

50 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If you truly believe that you are being rational then you should fall in behind Kennedy and other Democrats that are trying hard to push back against the radical far left that has taken hold over the Party.  Your reasonable points alude to being a rational leftie, and it is you guys that need to get your Party back to the middle. As Elon so clearly conveyed, your Party has gone far left.   Another example - Invading the house of the ex President to recover documents allegedly stolen, only to have nothing happen as an outcome because nothing was 'stolen' or of a 'national security' level to warrant charges etc. And to then have nothing happen to the sitting President, when it was ascertained he had similar documents stored in his garage, speaks volumes about what the Democrat Party has become. If you want more, just look at the attempts being made by Democrat Judges to have Trump removed from the ballots for an allegation (insurrection) that has not been proven in a Court, but what is merely political rhetoric by the Democrats. The onyl reason Trump has not been charged with issurection is because that would give Trump the opportunity to prove that the claims fo an insurrection are compltete political fabrication.  And meanwhile there are Americans still being held in jail for allegedly attempting an unarmned insurrection, when in fact all they did was tresspass and protest a political matter - something that radical Democrats have done themselves in the past.  

 

Yes Trump is an idiot and a political incompetent and is extremely brash and rude at times. But the reason so many Americans voted for him, and will again, is because he speaks out against the Democrat Party and how it is trearing down the American values and all the PC rubbish they hate.  The biggest reason he won in 2016 was because Clinton was clearly guilty of breaking several laws and she got away with it right in front of the American people - they had enough of that going on and turned to Trump as a change.

 

Now it is even worse, as shown by the evidence that is becomming evident that the 2020 election was less than 'pure and honest'.  Yes Trump should have done what Al Gore did when he lost due to some clear 'anomolies' in the results in Florida, but as I said he is an idiot and he is very politically 'unaware'.  But to only see Trump's faults (and there are many), and to see no faults in the Biden administration, and to only believe the Democrat and media mates driven fabrications like Russiagate and an Insurrection etc etc etc, has resulted in a complete breakdown in by-partisanship in American politics. 

 

Hopefully Trump wins, tears down the far left swamp and all the PC rubbish, and then after 4 years the American people become more 'moderate' and elect a more 'central' POTUS that hopefully both the Democrats and Republicans will nominate. Trump will then become a part of American history - and seen as a response to the far left woke progressive lunacy that had taken over US politics, but not something that they want to see continue after he had done the job he was elected to do. 

Agree with all of that. Trump is only popular because the Democrats went crazy woke and corrupt jobs for all their friends and get away with so much. 

 

 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Most Trumpers are older, not very educated and very racist. They blame their problems on immigrants and the deep state. Rather than taking responsibility for their own situation. They are drawn like moths to a light for information that supports their feelings.

 

Too much hated from them. Really sad.

 

Too much hated from them? And you accuse seniors of being "not very educated"?

 

Don the pointy hat and stand facing the wall in the corner of the room. We'll call you.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Roo Island said:

I would never support an assassination of a world leader. A very slippery slope.

 

Comparing Trump to Biden is like comparing good to evil. Or, old to old and evil.

 

Perfect! 555

[johng]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

It has only gotten better since 9-11.

 

The rules are strict,

It's got completely out of hand since 9/11  the rules where never that strict  now they are virtually non existent.

 

Do you too believe that 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into their own foot print on that fateful day ?

[EVENKEEL]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Flaming much? You've got nothing.

I'm disappointed in your lackluster comment. 

[EVENKEEL]

24 minutes ago, transam said:

And you're not.......?  

Your mamma.....

[Roo Island]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Too much hated from them? And you accuse seniors of being "not very educated"?

 

Don the pointy hat and stand facing the wall in the corner of the room. We'll call you.

I stand by my post. It's well documented that angry, older, white, less educated people support Trump. And are very angry.

 

January 6th?