8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Israel government continues to block aid response despite ICJ genocide court ruling, says Oxfam

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-government-continues-block-aid-response-despite-icj-genocide-court-ruling

It'll be interesting to see if the ICJ grow some and order the arrest of the war criminals in the israeli death cabinet. They did it in a certain other conflict so what is stopping them ( as if I didn't know )?

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It'll be interesting to see if the ICJ grow some and order the arrest of the war criminals in the israeli death cabinet. They did it in a certain other conflict so what is stopping them ( as if I didn't know )?

I want to see Biden in court as he is the power behind the killing of tens of thousands of kids and women. He needs to grow a pair -  he says there is indecriminant bombing yet continues to give the perpetrators the bombs and billions of $ in militry aid.

The question that needs answering is what happens after this war ends?

 

32 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The question that needs answering is what happens after this war ends?

 

That's a very good question, but I certainly can't answer that until I know how it ends.

Does it end with Israel completely wiping out Hamas and taking control of Gaza and all of the West Bank?
Does it end with negotiations forced by the UN to develop a two-state solution?
Does it end in a manner that is not acceptable to most Palestinians or most Israelis?
 

There are many possibilities for how it ends, but I don't think any of them bodes well for peace in the future. 

Another of the rats lairs destroyed, this one was a large terror tunnel connecting N & S Gaza.

 

IDF says it destroyed part of one of the longest Hamas tunnel networks in north Gaza

The IDF recently destroyed what it says is part of one of the longest Hamas tunnel networks in the northern Gaza Strip.

Combat engineers of the 162nd Division, along with the elite Yahalom unit, demolished around 2.5 kilometers of the tunnel network, according to the IDF.

The IDF says the tunnels connect between various Hamas battalions and brigades in northern and southern Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-it-destroyed-part-of-one-of-the-longest-hamas-tunnel-networks-in-north-gaza/

 

 

21 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

That's a very good question, but I certainly can't answer that until I know how it ends.

Does it end with Israel completely wiping out Hamas and taking control of Gaza and all of the West Bank?
Does it end with negotiations forced by the UN to develop a two-state solution?
Does it end in a manner that is not acceptable to most Palestinians or most Israelis?
 

There are many possibilities for how it ends, but I don't think any of them bodes well for peace in the future. 

The UN can't force an apple out of a paper bag.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO it's all part of israeli propaganda, which tries to negate any story portraying the "heroes" of the IDF in a bad light, by deflecting away from the report about israeli atrocities and crimes, and making it about the reporters instead. Luckily such tactics are not working any more. We know the crimes carried out by the IDF from the reporting from Al Jazeera, which israel is powerless to control, and thank the deity for that, or the reality of IDF cruelty would never be exposed.

My daily dose of comedy from you, Al Jazeera 😂

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1319746-al-jazeera-journalist-reportedly-moonlights-as-hamas-commander-claims-idf

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

That's a very good question, but I certainly can't answer that until I know how it ends.

Does it end with Israel completely wiping out Hamas and taking control of Gaza and all of the West Bank?
Does it end with negotiations forced by the UN to develop a two-state solution?
Does it end in a manner that is not acceptable to most Palestinians or most Israelis?
 

There are many possibilities for how it ends, but I don't think any of them bodes well for peace in the future. 

1. Yes

2. No

3. Them that start wars do not or should not get a say in how it ends!

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The question that needs answering is what happens after this war ends?

 

This isn't really a war, it's a slaughter.  Gazans, unlike Israel are not given Billions of $ by the USA.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/slaughter-in-rafah-un-breathes-fire-blasts-israel-over-catastrophic-military-operation-plan-101707927103340.html

 

To call it a war implies a semblance of parity, a clash of forces with comparable might. However, the reality starkly contrasts this notion. In Gaza, the toll of death and suffering overwhelmingly burdens one side while the other wields overwhelming military dominance. What unfolds in Gaza is more accurately described as a lopsided confrontation, a cycle of violence where one side suffers immeasurably more than the other.

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Israel don't want a 2-state solution, that's is why they are happily bombing indiscriminately. Sadly, the world, including the US president admit this is happening yet continue to support them. 

Palestinians don't want two states either.

An unattributed troll post has been removed

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

11 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Israel don't want a 2-state solution, that's is why they are happily bombing indiscriminately. Sadly, the world, including the US president admit this is happening yet continue to support them. 

Palestinians don't want two states either.

I agree, but I think that is the only solution that will ever produce a lasting peace. I hope the UN will be able to force these two into a viable two-state solution.

10 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I agree, but I think that is the only solution that will ever produce a lasting peace. I hope the UN will be able to force these two into a viable two-state solution.

They could start by ordering Israel to cease fire.  

Then ordering the US to stop giving them military aid and bombs.  

36 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

They could start by ordering Israel to cease fire.  

Then ordering the US to stop giving them military aid and bombs.  

That's what Hamas wants. Everybody else wants the hostages released first and Hamas degraded

31 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's what Hamas wants. Everybody else wants the hostages released first and Hamas degraded

Not "everybody else." If Hamas releases the hostages first, there will be no ceasefire, just a continuing annihilation of virtually all Palestinians in Gaza, and then maybe the West Bank. Of course, that's what the Israeli terrorists have wanted to do for years now.

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Not "everybody else." If Hamas releases the hostages first, there will be no ceasefire, just a continuing annihilation of virtually all Palestinians in Gaza, and then maybe the West Bank. Of course, that's what the Israeli terrorists have wanted to do for years now.

Yes I know, I said Hamas does not want that. "Everybody else of note", fixed it for you, the UN head, the UN Security Council, ICJ and numerous other states.

 

There is no "annihilation of virtually all Palestinians in Gaza" going on, that's just a lie.

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I know, I said Hamas does not want that. "Everybody else of note", fixed it for you, the UN head, the UN Security Council, ICJ and numerous other states.

 

There is no "annihilation of virtually all Palestinians in Gaza" going on, that's just a lie.

I think that "everybody else of note" wants BOTH a ceasefire and a release of the hostages. I think those "of note" assume that will be done simultaneously. Of course, Hamas and Israel want the other side to comply first. This is where a UN peacekeeping force could help coordinate these kinds of issues.

Since you added "of note" to your term, I'll add "virtual" to my term.

If the Israeli terrorist activities in Gaza continue for much longer, "virtual annihilation" will be a proper description. And I'm sure it's their goal. 

10 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I think that "everybody else of note" wants BOTH a ceasefire and a release of the hostages. I think those "of note" assume that will be done simultaneously. Of course, Hamas and Israel want the other side to comply first. This is where a UN peacekeeping force could help coordinate these kinds of issues.

Since you added "of note" to your term, I'll add "virtual" to my term.

If the Israeli terrorist activities in Gaza continue for much longer, "virtual annihilation" will be a proper description. And I'm sure it's their goal. 

I think that "everybody else of note" wants BOTH a ceasefire and a release of the hostages. I think those "of note" assume that will be done simultaneously.

 

Wrong, release of hostages with no preconditions is what everybody of note wants.

 

Oh and your new lie on your claims of Israeli terrorist activities needs a credible link to it.

8 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I don't think I ever said there was a COUNTRY called "Palestine." I said the LAND IN QUESTION was called Palestine, and it was before 1947 and even while the UN established the state of Israel. 

 

  As it has been removed, I would suggest that it wouldn't be a good idea to keep repeating deleted comments .

(See how the two sides differ , one of your side was encouraging one of my side to repost deleted posts , One side trying to help the other side and one side trying to get the other side in trouble)

   That is how we roll 

 

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  As it has been removed, I would suggest that it wouldn't be a good idea to keep repeating deleted comments .

(See how the two sides differ , one of your side was encouraging one of my side to repost deleted posts , One side trying to help the other side and one side trying to get the other side in trouble)

   That is how we roll 

 

I don't understand your post above. What are you talking about, and is this something addressed directly to me?

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I don't understand your post above. What are you talking about, and is this something addressed directly to me?

 

  How many times do you need to be told ?

When you get asked to keep on topic and to stop giving history lessons , does it register and do you understand the request ?

   Or do you just ignore the request and carry on giving history lessons ?

For the benefit of certain posters who seem to miss these regular public notices

 

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Palestinians don't want two states either.

Do you have a link to this claim?

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you have a link to this claim?

Most Palestinians and Israelis 'do not want a two-state solution', says former Jordanian foreign minister

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2024/02/13/amanpour-marwan-muasher.cnn

Prominent Zionist Daniella Weiss lays it out clearly.

 

"No Arab will remain in Gaza."

 

From the Euphrates to the Nile, as was always the plan. "All of Gaza belongs to the Land of Israel."

 

 

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Most Palestinians and Israelis 'do not want a two-state solution', says former Jordanian foreign minister

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2024/02/13/amanpour-marwan-muasher.cnn

 

This is an interesting interview. A few other notable statements from Marwan Muasher:

 

- What Israel is doing goes far beyond neutralising Hamas. They are trying to affect a mass transfer.

 

- If Palestinians are let out, they will not be allowed to return as was the case in 1948.

 

- It will continue to escalate if the US keeps sending arms to Israel. 10:11: “It has clearly become mass killing. Israel says it is defending itself, but there is no international law that defends mass killing of civilians”.

 

- There needs to be a political horizon, and he refers to the IRA in Northern Ireland which transitioned from terrorism to politics.

17 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The question that needs answering is what happens after this war ends?

 

IMO the plan is to make the Gazans so miserable they leave, but unless some other country takes them that is a dead end, so perhaps that's the plan instead, now.

Then, as IMO the israelis are provoking the West Bank Palestinians into an uprising, Gaza solution to West Bank Palestinians.

If the world's leaders finally wake up and stop that, I suspect the israelis want to return to what it was before, but maxxed up control. Get rid of any Palestinian authority and direct rule. Occupy Gaza. Perhaps deport them to the Sinai to live in American style reservations. I doubt the Americans could or would complain about that, given it's what they do.

 

However, there is a long way to go, and thousands more Gazans to die before it ends, so who really knows what will happen, despite any plan?

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the plan is to make the Gazans so miserable they leave, but unless some other country takes them that is a dead end, so perhaps that's the plan instead, now.

Then, as IMO the israelis are provoking the West Bank Palestinians into an uprising, Gaza solution to West Bank Palestinians.

If the world's leaders finally wake up and stop that, I suspect the israelis want to return to what it was before, but maxxed up control. Get rid of any Palestinian authority and direct rule. Occupy Gaza. Perhaps deport them to the Sinai to live in American style reservations. I doubt the Americans could or would complain about that, given it's what they do.

 

However, there is a long way to go, and thousands more Gazans to die before it ends, so who really knows what will happen, despite any plan?

I wonder why NO OTHER ARAB COUNTRY wants them... ???

14 hours ago, Neeranam said:

They could start by ordering Israel to cease fire.  

Then ordering the US to stop giving them military aid and bombs.  

IMO that's never going to happen as long as the colluder in chief has the veto. It's time for the veto to go. Should be a majority vote in the UN general assembly- not a simple majority, but perhaps 60%- enough to prevent a 3rd world block deciding everything. They'd have to get support from western countries too.

4 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

I wonder why NO OTHER ARAB COUNTRY wants them... ???

 

That has been explained. By accepting forced displacements, countries consider they would be facilitating Israel's genocide. Your talking point is false.