Blocked From Enter Thailand

[Hummin]

As the stamp refer to 12/7, he better find a real estate agent and a lawyer 

 

Norwegian company with lawyer I know have helped Norwegians before.

https://thaiproperty1.com/about-us/

 

 

[Lemsta69]

2 hours ago, pub2022 said:

When the Swiss man in Phuket kicked the lady, everybody in this forum pointing the finger, deport the farang,

 

Not me. I thought what he did was hilarious! 🤣

[still kicking]

13 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

 

Not me. I thought what he did was hilarious! 🤣

Well from what I have seen he did not even kick her he verbally abused he.

[JimTripper]

14 hours ago, Hellfire said:

Better Lao border. Had an awful experience at the Cambodian border a couple of times (on both sides of the border). And I never had any police records in my life.

Me too. I ate at Taco Bell and got the runs at the border.

[glegolo18]

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

Reiept 8 baht for copy paper fpr lawyer 

Oh <deleted>, Ok then forget it...

[glegolo18]

8 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

My wife tells me that red stamp is section 12-7.

Permission to stay revoked, prohibited person.

Does that mean he cannot enter Thailand now???

[glegolo18]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

As the stamp refer to 12/7, he better find a real estate agent and a lawyer 

 

Norwegian company with lawyer I know have helped Norwegians before.

https://thaiproperty1.com/about-us/

 

 

thank you so much, does 12/7 means he can not enter Thailand...

[007 RED]

Just now, glegolo18 said:

thank you so much, does 12/7 means he can not enter Thailand...

OP… from the picture that you posted earlier of the Immigration exit stamp in your friend’s passport, it is clear that he/she was removed (deported) from the Kingdom under Section 12.7 of the Immigration Act, as indicated on the 3rd line of the stamp e.g. 12 (7).

 

As I indicated in my previous post, Section 12 of the Immigration Act gives Immigration the power to refuse entry and revoke permission to stay of if the alien falls into any of the categories specified.

 

Section 12.7 basically states: -

 

“Having behaviour which would indicate possible danger to the public or likelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace or safety of the public or to the security of the public or to the security of the nation or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments”.

 

Your friend apparently fell within the above category having assaulted his girlfriend and subsequently served a custodial sentence for that offence.

 

Regarding being banned from entering the Kingdom, given the reason for his/her deportation, I would say that a ban from entering the Kingdom is almost 100% certain.  The big question being how long is the ban for?

 

Immigration has what is known as a ‘tariff’, that is to say a maximum length of ban for a given type of crime.  My understanding is that in the case of an assault conviction the duration of a ban could be as long as ‘life’.  However, the actual length of the ban is left to the discretion of a Senior Immigration Officer (Senior Colonel or above) who authorised his/her deportation. 

 

The problem so far as your friend is concerned is that there is no mention of the length of any ban stamped into his/her passport (there never is).  The details of the ban will only be recorded on his paper file(s) and on the Immigration computer system.

 

If your friend is banned, and he/she tries to enter the Kingdom by air, it is unlikely that the airline will allow him/her to board the plane.  This is because all international flight to Thailand are required to send passenger biographical details to Thai Authorities via a system known as Advance Passenger Information System (APIS), one hour before scheduled departure.  The system (APIS) is linked to the Thai Immigration database of undesirable persons.  If the system detects that your friend’s biographical information matches that on their database, the system automatically sends the airline a “Do Not Board” code.  No reason is given to the airline. The airline would be heavily fined if they allowed your friend to fly having received a "Do Not Board" code, plus they would have to pick up the cost of flying him/her back to the departure country.  A refusal to allow the person to board the aircraft will mean that the passenger will not be refunded for the loss of the flight (outward and return).

 

If your friend is banned and was to travel to a neighbouring country and attempt to enter the Kingdom via a boarder land crossing, it is highly likely that the moment the Immigration Officer places the biographical (photo) page onto the desktop scanner, the system will flag a warning on the Officer’s screen.  This will result in him/her being denied entry and he/she will be sent back to the country which they just left.

 

I am given to understand that some lawyers, and agents, reportedly have connections within Immigration, and for a fee will establish if your friend is banned.  If it is possible to have a ban overturned, is a matter of speculation.

 

As has been suggested by several other members, his/her best solution to recovering money in his/her bank account(s) and selling off his/her condominium, would be to give a very trusted friend Power Of Attorney to act on his/her behalf to deal with the bank and sale of the condominium.

[bradiston]

On 3/16/2024 at 4:46 PM, glegolo18 said:

I have a friend norwegian nationality. He have had some problem with the police here.

Not drugs or serious stuff like that. More like domestic violence. He was in jail for about 4 months and then kicked out of Thailand. But he have no clue at all weather or not he is prohibited to return to Thailand again.

 

May I ask you guys, do anybody know if there is a place to contact in Thailand and possibly see if he is on a list of sort??? Would appreciate very much if you could help out. I feel sad for this guy because he have a lot of stuff here in Thailand, such as condo and savings in the bank.

 

Thank you,

In my experience, no. I also have a friend who did time here and wanted to know whether he could come back. A lawyer for a fee will tell you what you want to hear. Not necessarily the truth. And it was a lawyer who told me that. Immigration won't tell you. Nobody will. I also asked here. Nobody knows the answer.

 

So, your friend can try turning up at a border crossing and see what happens. At least he won't be put on a plane back. Seems the only way to find out. Minimal damage if he's barred.

[Liquorice]

20 hours ago, 007 RED said:

As has been suggested by several other members, his/her best solution to recovering money in his/her bank account(s) and selling off his/her condominium, would be to give a very trusted friend Power Of Attorney to act on his/her behalf to deal with the bank and sale of the condominium.

He'll require the aid of a trustworthy solicitor and even with a POA, the bank will require a Court Order to release funds, which a solicitor will help obtain.

[Skipalongcassidy]

Isn't it just terrible that there are consequences for bad behavior?  

[newbee2022]

On 3/16/2024 at 4:46 PM, glegolo18 said:

I have a friend norwegian nationality. He have had some problem with the police here.

Not drugs or serious stuff like that. More like domestic violence. He was in jail for about 4 months and then kicked out of Thailand. But he have no clue at all weather or not he is prohibited to return to Thailand again.

 

May I ask you guys, do anybody know if there is a place to contact in Thailand and possibly see if he is on a list of sort??? Would appreciate very much if you could help out. I feel sad for this guy because he have a lot of stuff here in Thailand, such as condo and savings in the bank.

 

Thank you,

I don't even want to know the story. Such people should be banned for lifetime. Domestic violence....what a disgraceful behaviour. Thailand deserves better tourists. However, with new rules to come offering 90 days staying in Thailand visafree I suppose we'll see more of those criminals here.

[Donbuie3]

Why doesn’t he apply for a visa in Norway? If he gets one surely he will get into Thailand?
If he doesn’t get one he can see if the ladies in Cambodia, Vietnam or the Philippines are more submissive! 

[FritsSikkink]

On 3/16/2024 at 5:00 PM, glegolo18 said:

Yes, they fought heavily both of them But I agree not hitting any lady that is bad. But bad is also that you didn´t even try to help out with an answer..

 

He probably didn't help with the answer because like me, I don't feel the need to help a wife beater in anyway.

[ujayujay]

On 3/16/2024 at 5:20 PM, glegolo18 said:

constructive idea thnks..... Have you heard anything that it will be easier to do a land-entry??

 

Is not, this suggestion is a typical asian now forum Barstool bs. Avoid!

[NoshowJones]

On 3/16/2024 at 5:46 PM, frank83628 said:

you are a..... . you don't have any idea of the actual situation. remember that old saying if you have nothing nice to say!!

There is nothing nice about anyone using any kind of violence on a woman. If I ever found out that any friend of mine ever lifted his hand to a woman, he would not be a friend anymore.

[john donson]

On 3/16/2024 at 4:46 PM, glegolo18 said:

I have a friend norwegian nationality. He have had some problem with the police here.

Not drugs or serious stuff like that. More like domestic violence. He was in jail for about 4 months and then kicked out of Thailand. But he have no clue at all weather or not he is prohibited to return to Thailand again.

 

May I ask you guys, do anybody know if there is a place to contact in Thailand and possibly see if he is on a list of sort??? Would appreciate very much if you could help out. I feel sad for this guy because he have a lot of stuff here in Thailand, such as condo and savings in the bank.

 

Thank you,

 

thai embassy in his country and apply for a VISA

 

if denied, you might know why

[NoshowJones]

On 3/16/2024 at 9:49 PM, NorthernRyland said:

Sorry I had laugh at the first paragraph. Drugs are a victimless crime. Domestic violence, not so much.  Very serious if you ask me.

Anyone being involved with drugs in any way is not a victimless crime???? How many people have suffered or even died because of the actions of drug addicts? Dealers are also every bit as bad.

[Bangkok Barry]

On 3/16/2024 at 6:00 PM, frank83628 said:

 

like i said you have no idea of the actual situation, and i'm not condoning domestic violence at all, if it is actually true.
i personally know of a woman that cried wolf to the cops resulting in charges for the dude, was remanded based on her accusations. then later on she admitted to instigating the situation and attacking first.

so don't judge when you know jack

 

You know some interesting people. Someone who was jailed for domestic violence, another who was involved in another case of violence, even though the woman then admitted she started it - and I assume he continued it for it to have escalated.

His best bet might be to apply to enter and see what happens. But, as has been said earlier in the thread, the final decision is made by the IO at the border. Makes for a nervous flight, methinks.

[chuang]

Have lots of stuff including violence..

[Thingamabob]

No idea why you want to help someone who uses violence against women, however, first step would be to tell him to apply for a visa with a new passport and see what happens.

[NorthernRyland]

2 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Anyone being involved with drugs in any way is not a victimless crime???? How many people have suffered or even died because of the actions of drug addicts? Dealers are also every bit as bad.

well sure but you're the victim and it was your own choice. Quite a bit different to assault.

[namatjira]

On 3/16/2024 at 8:37 PM, Liquorice said:

Absolutely correct.

I know of a person with a Thai wife, arrested, charged with fraud, deception, and overstay, held in IDC for 4 weeks and appeared in court.
He was fined 10K for fraud and 20K for overstay. That was 4 years ago.
His stamp indicated he was deported under section 12.7

 

He states he received nothing from the Court, nor any indication as to how long he had been banned from re-entry.
As the overstay was for more than 1 year, he wrongly assumed it was a 3-year ban.
Last year he booked a flight to Thailand, but at check-in was informed he was blacklisted and would be refused entry, therefore he was denied boarding.
His wife has since approached Immigration, without reply, so they employed a lawyer.
The lawyer initially assumed he'd been banned for 10 years as he was arrested before deportation, but Immigration advised he was banned under section 16.
Section 16 : In the instance where for reason of national welfare or safeguarding the public peace , culture , morality , or welfare , or when the Minister considers it improper to allow any alien or any group of alien to enter into the Kingdom , the Minister shall have power to exclude said alien or group aliens from entering into the Kingdom

 

He was merely referred to as being 'undesirable'.
He and his wife are trying to appeal the decision.

 

 

[thecyclist]

On 3/16/2024 at 5:09 PM, Hummin said:

Why dont he just go. If he gets in, good, if not, just have a cheap ticket same day to a neighbouring country

 

Maybe best advise go to the embassy in Oslo, and talk with them if they can help out, checking his status.

The embassy either does not know, or won't tell. Had a friend whose visa application was refused .He asked why, and they told him to contact, best through a lawyer, the immigration department in Thailand  

It means he is on the blacklist, but they are not told why. 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, thecyclist said:

The embassy either does not know, or won't tell. Had a friend whose visa application was refused .He asked why, and they told him to contact, best through a lawyer, the immigration department in Thailand  

It means he is on the blacklist, but they are not told why. 

I guess you are right, and with the confirmed 12/7 stamp it is clear he is a persona non grata in Thailand.

[bradiston]

Being granted a visa does not give right of entry. Immigration decides at port of entry. Embassies are not linked to immigration.

 

As I said before, I asked this question here a while back for a friend. I consulted 2 lawyers here, a Thai one and a German one. Both confirmed there was no way to reliably find out prior to arrival. The land crossing seemed the simplest test. Fly to, eg Phnom Penh, and choose a quiet border checkpoint. If he gets in, do what he needs to do ASAP and leave. He could still be busted for illegal entry.

 

My 2¢ worth. YMMV.

[OJAS]

25 minutes ago, bradiston said:

If he gets in, do what he needs to do ASAP

 

Which would appear to mean enlisting the services of a trustworthy solicitor as suggested by @Liquorice. But, there again, maybe the OP could help him out with that given that they appear to be such good friends!

[Photoguy21]

On 3/16/2024 at 4:46 PM, glegolo18 said:

I have a friend norwegian nationality. He have had some problem with the police here.

Not drugs or serious stuff like that. More like domestic violence. He was in jail for about 4 months and then kicked out of Thailand. But he have no clue at all weather or not he is prohibited to return to Thailand again.

 

May I ask you guys, do anybody know if there is a place to contact in Thailand and possibly see if he is on a list of sort??? Would appreciate very much if you could help out. I feel sad for this guy because he have a lot of stuff here in Thailand, such as condo and savings in the bank.

 

Thank you,

I think I would call domestic violence serious although it appears you don't.

[Freddy42OZ]

On 3/16/2024 at 6:12 PM, frank83628 said:

did i say friend?

 

Keep up.  The original poster started this thread with "I have a friend..... "

A 'friend' who spent 4 months in a Thai prison for domestic violence.  Not the type of guy I'd be offering any help to.

[thecyclist]

16 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

There is nothing nice about anyone using any kind of violence on a woman. If I ever found out that any friend of mine ever lifted his hand to a woman, he would not be a friend anymore.

Unless it is in self-defense.