11 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Says who? 

As usual claims made without proof.

13 hours ago, Neeranam said:

274 now dead from the massacre.

 

https://aje.io/lf1bhd

You should write a letter to Hamas, just tell them they cannot win and Iran has set them adrift............😱

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So you can understand Israel's actions after the October 7 massacre ?

If you accept that Humans will act violently after being attacked, then you can accept Israel responding violently after being attacked on Oct 7 th 

No, because the victims on the 7th of October were Jews, and, by historical precedent, in certain theological pronouncements and in (just) living memory, Jews are supposed to line up meekly to be slaughtered.

 

Unfortunately for many zealots, religious and political wingnuts, the current incarnation of the Nation and People of Israel have developed this notion of "never again"!

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel's objectives is to wipe Hamas out and to free the hostages .

Those are quite reasonable objectives 

 

 

Do you not see the flaw there? 

 

With Israel vowing to wipe out Hamas, what incentive is there to release the hostages or even keep them alive?  Not to mention that, until the rescue operation, the hostages served as a bargaining chip and a shield against attack.  Now, they're useless for either purpose.  Just a burden and an existential threat pending the next rescue operation that will kill dozens, perhaps hundreds, many of them kids.  Doesn't bode well for the remaining hostages.

 

 

 

CNN’s Paula Hancocks takes a look at the deadly impact of Israel’s hostage rescue operation in Gaza. Gaza's health ministry says at least 274 Palestinians were killed in the operation and hundreds were wounded. The Israel Defense Forces disputes those numbers, saying it estimates the casualties were “under 100.” CNN cannot independently verify death tolls from the enclave due to the lack of international media access.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/09/world/video/israeli-hostages-hamas-gaza-deaths-hancocks-pkg-nr-digvid

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

CNN’s Paula Hancocks takes a look at the deadly impact of Israel’s hostage rescue operation in Gaza. Gaza's health ministry says at least 274 Palestinians were killed in the operation and hundreds were wounded. The Israel Defense Forces disputes those numbers, saying it estimates the casualties were “under 100.” CNN cannot independently verify death tolls from the enclave due to the lack of international media access.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/09/world/video/israeli-hostages-hamas-gaza-deaths-hancocks-pkg-nr-digvid

Just think, all of this could have been prevented if Hamas had released these hostages.  In fact, none of these tragic deaths would be occurring had not Hamas kidnapped them in the first place.

Off topic and unapproved video source that publishes misleading reports has been removed.

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Do you not see the flaw there? 

 

With Israel vowing to wipe out Hamas, what incentive is there to release the hostages or even keep them alive?  Not to mention that, until the rescue operation, the hostages served as a bargaining chip and a shield against attack.  Now, they're useless for either purpose.  Just a burden and an existential threat pending the next rescue operation that will kill dozens, perhaps hundreds, many of them kids.  Doesn't bode well for the remaining hostages.

 

 

 

 

   There is no alternative though , apart from complete surrender from Israel ,

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Do you not see the flaw there? 

 

With Israel vowing to wipe out Hamas, what incentive is there to release the hostages or even keep them alive?  Not to mention that, until the rescue operation, the hostages served as a bargaining chip and a shield against attack.  Now, they're useless for either purpose.  Just a burden and an existential threat pending the next rescue operation that will kill dozens, perhaps hundreds, many of them kids.  Doesn't bode well for the remaining hostages.

 

Since when did it bode well for the hostages? Hamas again refused the last deal. 

 

Their hope was lost, 4 have been rescued, their hope is back.

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Since when did it bode well for the hostages? Hamas again refused the last deal. 

 

Their hope was lost, 4 have been rescued, their hope is back.

 

How many deals has Hamas made to Israel since 7/10 and while you're contemplating that, how many has Israel rejected?

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

How many deals has Hamas made to Israel since 7/10 and while you're contemplating that, how many has Israel rejected?

 

   The deals offered by Hamas were completely unacceptable 

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

How many deals has Hamas made to Israel since 7/10 and while you're contemplating that, how many has Israel rejected?

What are you talking about, there should be no deals for hostage taking! Hamas can say whatever it wants and say a deal is rejected. They are carrying out a war crime everyday they hold them.

 

Back on topic:

 

Keeping hostages in civilian buildings is a war crime.

- It turns the buildings into legitimate military targets.
- It places all the civilians around them at severe danger.
- Any civilian involved in keeping the hostages is not a civilian.

On 6/9/2024 at 10:19 AM, CharlieKo said:

The People of Gaza have a choice, they can stay under the control of Hamas, or they can rise up against their oppressors, Hamas. To call them martyrs is BS. As long as they allow themselves to be used by Hamas, they are as guilty as Hamas. I for one would accept more Palestinian deaths if it meant Israel could live in Peace. 

 

Hamas start a war, then complain when they are losing that war. They are scum. 

The war against the Palestinians has been going on since 1948, long before Hamas ever existed.

 

I suspect that you need to do some research on the history of Israel, its neighbours and the Palestinians.

 

Of course, the most moral army in the world (Israel's own words) would never attack another country to to kill, injure innocent men women and children, would they? Nor would they blockade the land sea and air of Gaza, cut off electricity, water, food, medical supplies, destroy Gaza's infrastructure, starve or dehydrate hundreds of thousand of people, simply because they are the most moral army in the world. (Israel's own words). But they ARE doing this every single day.

 

However they do this simply because they can, and the one country in the world that CAN stop them, the USA. won't for political reasons in the USA.

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Details have been presented in a video released by the military wing of Hamas about three Israeli captives allegedly killed by the Israeli army.

They were killed during the operation that was carried out yesterday to release four Israeli captives, the armed group said.

 

https://aje.io/lf1bhd?update=2963454

 

   Your link also states :

 

"What we saw in the video is supposedly three Israeli captives killed, but the video was blurred, so it was hard to identify the captives."

 

Need to ask why Hamas can show clear videos of dead Palestinians  , but cannot show clear videos of the three allegedly dead hostages . Hamas could easily release the bodies for an independent autopsy to prove they were killed by the IDF .

   Could be that Hamas are lying again ?

 

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What are you talking about, there should be no deals for hostage taking! Hamas can say whatever it wants and say a deal is rejected. They are carrying out a war crime everyday they hold them.

 

Back on topic:

 

Keeping hostages in civilian buildings is a war crime.

- It turns the buildings into legitimate military targets.
- It places all the civilians around them at severe danger.
- Any civilian involved in keeping the hostages is not a civilian.

 

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What are you talking about, there should be no deals for hostage taking! Hamas can say whatever it wants and say a deal is rejected. They are carrying out a war crime everyday they hold them.

 

Back on topic:

 

Keeping hostages in civilian buildings is a war crime.

- It turns the buildings into legitimate military targets.
- It places all the civilians around them at severe danger.
- Any civilian involved in keeping the hostages is not a civilian.

 

38 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What are you talking about, there should be no deals for hostage taking! Hamas can say whatever it wants and say a deal is rejected. They are carrying out a war crime everyday they hold them.

 

Deals, as in offers to release hostages for a ceasefire, made to Israel.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Deals, as in offers to release hostages for a ceasefire, made to Israel.

 

   Yes, that was agreed upon by Israel and Hamas broke the ceasefire by firing rockets into Israel . 

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Deals, as in offers to release hostages for a ceasefire, made to Israel.

I knew what you meant the first time. This is not a competition where the one holding all the cards ie Hamas get to say how many times it offered a delusional deal. Go back to your playground games somewhere else, they are vile. 

 

42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What are you talking about, there should be no deals for hostage taking! Hamas can say whatever it wants and say a deal is rejected. They are carrying out a war crime everyday they hold them.

 

Back on topic:

 

Keeping hostages in civilian buildings is a war crime.

- It turns the buildings into legitimate military targets.
- It places all the civilians around them at severe danger.
- Any civilian involved in keeping the hostages is not a civilian.

 

Couple of off topics posts removed, please read the title of the topic being discussed here.

 

IDF Rescue Four Israeli Hostages in Central Gaza Raid

 

 

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The deals offered by Hamas were completely unacceptable 

To you?

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Since when did it bode well for the hostages? Hamas again refused the last deal. 

 

Their hope was lost, 4 have been rescued, their hope is back.

Yes took the IDF nearly 8 months to rescue 4 of them....not the greatest military force in the world.

1 minute ago, thainet said:

To you?

No, to sensible people, who hope this terrorist organization pay the price, as the Nazis did........🤔

2 minutes ago, thainet said:

To you?

 

   LOL, I am not a member of the Israeli Government 

5 minutes ago, thainet said:

Yes took the IDF nearly 8 months to rescue 4 of them....not the greatest military force in the world.

Your fighting force ran away the same day to hide behind THEIR civilians............😂

1 minute ago, thainet said:

Yes took the IDF nearly 8 months to rescue 4 of them....not the greatest military force in the world.

 

   It has been Biden who has been holding the IDF back .

Israel would have gone in much sooner had Biden kept telling them to show restraint 

3 minutes ago, thainet said:

Yes took the IDF nearly 8 months to rescue 4 of them....not the greatest military force in the world.

They were not the first to be rescued by the IDF since Oct 7th. Not that you would care obviously.

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Since when did it bode well for the hostages? Hamas again refused the last deal. 

 

Their hope was lost, 4 have been rescued, their hope is back.

In all reality who is to know how many hostages have perished as a result of IDF attacks .

neither side is being honest.

Hamas lost the wager over using hostages because Israel did not bow to expectations.

Sadly now neither side is in a win situation because Hamas desperately holds on to hostages as a bargaining point that has lost value  in the face of Netanyahu's equally desperate resolve to send IDF forces to die in prolonging the impossibility in eliminating Hamas who are spread across territories outside of effective Israeli suppression if at all.

 

2 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

In all reality who is to know how many hostages have perished as a result of IDF attacks .

 

 

   Any dead hostages died because they were forcible taken to Gaza and held against their will in a war zone and held as human shields .

   Hamas are to blame for all deaths in the Gaza war

1 minute ago, 0ffshore360 said:

In all reality who is to know how many hostages have perished as a result of IDF attacks .

neither side is being honest.

Hamas lost the wager over using hostages because Israel did not bow to expectations.

Sadly now neither side is in a win situation because Hamas desperately holds on to hostages as a bargaining point that has lost value  in the face of Netanyahu's equally desperate resolve to send IDF forces to die in prolonging the impossibility in eliminating Hamas who are spread across territories outside of effective Israeli suppression if at all.

In all reality who is to know how many hostages have perished as a result of IDF attacks .

 

No idea but then we also do not know how many were murdered by Hamas. But the point of my post was hope to getting more out alive.

Great news. But poor kids, breaks my heart.

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

In all reality who is to know how many hostages have perished as a result of IDF attacks .

 

No idea but then we also do not know how many were murdered by Hamas. But the point of my post was hope to getting more out alive.