12 minutes ago, kevozman1 said:

 

I didn't make this post to hate on women in the US (never lived there and never will, just had some friends from there), the rest of the West, or Asia. I don't hate on women. My post is addressing a group of men who have cheered on a certain ideology in a group of societies only to flee the results that they helped create. As predicted they cannot man up and be real but result to attempting to insult me.

My response was to another, but the one thing you were wrong about is that your thinking that Thai males are more masculine than western men is way off. Here, they already, with their Buddhist thinking, look at women as inferior. They are without fathers much of the time, which leaves them raised by mothers and or grandmas, who cannot teach their boys how to be men. This leaves many looking at their peers, who also look at women as inferior and or objects to use, and if children are made, a lot of them aren't involved in helping raise those kids to be men. Yes, western men are bigger and stronger on average but this doesn't make a man masculine in itself.

 

How you treat others makes you a man, and this trait has to be passed on by good male role models. men aren't too swift with this everywhere, but here with that women are inferior thinking, that from the beginning lends itself to looking at women as less then them, which isn't true. Here more than anywhere else I've ever noticed or heard about, boys gang up 5 or more against one, armed with weapons, and kick them when they're down. This isn't a muay thai thing but a cowardly act, because these aren't trained fighters but those that are afraid to use their fists one on one, so resort to kicking them after they are down, which isn't masculine in any sense of the word.

 

A man that is masculine treats his women with kindness, love and loyalty, and he treats others the same way, especially his children. He will protect his woman against others and not hit her when he is angry, nor abuse his children to get them to stay in line. He will look at his woman as a partner and not a sex object, looking to her needs before his own. He won't cheat on her for any reason, and treat her through the years with the same respect and love when they started. That is a masculine man, and not a feminine wimp that uses women and needs others to help him fight.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out 'financial independence' means earning your own money from working at a job your abilities justified you having.

Free government handouts and artificially created employment does not equate to financial independence IMHO. 

You've just replaced 'men' with 'government' (which essentially takes money from men to give to women). 

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out 'financial independence' means earning your own money from working at a job your abilities justified you having.

Free government handouts and artificially created employment does not equate to financial independence IMHO. 

You've just replaced 'men' with 'government' (which essentially takes money from men to give to women). 

I understand what financial independence means and how much that helps the country to prosper.

The goverment invests in single parents and are paid back over time when they are working in worthwile work paying taxes rather than sitting on welfare like i have seen in  many countries . 

 

If you look at who is paying income tax in Norway you will find that women are paying much the same as men and if the men who are meant to pay the maintenece costs of there child the goverment will pay the single parent and catch up with the man later. They will follow the man to the grave to recover his debt.

I do not agree with your opinion and thank you for your reply.

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You say that as if Thailand has to be the same as Norway! I hope I'm wrong about that.

 

Norway is not a good example, as it has a small population and a lot of money from fiscally clever people not wasting all the North sea oil income like Britain did.

Thailand has a lot of people and not so much money available ( as IMO the 1% have most of it ).

In any event, it keeps the birth rate down which is very good thing- far too many people on this planet.

I mentioned Norway to show that there is a better way to treat single parents and if Thailand went that road there would be less need for single parents to go chasing foreigners and have independence. 

I realise Norway has wealth yet they are not the only country that could afford a similar scheme as the country is paid back overtime. 

Yes I agree that Thailand has  woeful wealth distribution and that makes it almost impossible to help single parents in a similar way as Norway addewd with the control the one percent have in Thailand.

Many countries in the world have a need for more children and Thailand is one of them.

Thank you for your reply.

 

13 hours ago, save the frogs said:

thats right. most western women have financial independence compared to their thai counterparts.

 

so you need to have sth else to offer them besides money or they may just walk out with the govt benefits.

 

Yes , I have seen that happen to collect the goverment single parent benifits. Sometimes planned by both parties .

However any system is opened to abuse.

I raised the suject to show that many Thai single parents have few options and one of them is to form a relationship with a foreigner to escape. 

Thank you for your reply.

1 hour ago, FruitPudding said:

Thai women don't respect their foreign husbands anyway cos they aren't Thai.

 

Unless you make more than 3 Million a year.

9 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Unless you make more than 3 Million a year.

 

Well That's where you're going wrong. That will not help you much either other than being used. That's not how attraction works.. 

Just now, kevozman1 said:

 

Well That's where you're going wrong. That will not help you much either other than being used. That's not how attraction works.. 

So you don't understand how it works here. But I have only 15 years, in depth, experience.

22 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Oh please, when is the last time you even had a chance, for a western woman to look at you longer than 10 seconds, and have a real conversation? Anyone who is not lying trough their teeth, misses the intellect, a western woman has, that a Thai girl does not have. That is why they always need to drink beers with their mates, to compensate for it.

I think the OP's post was a pointless rant, the societal conditions in the west are completely different those than in Thailand. In the west both men and women have changed and in a relatively short space of time. In Germany where I spent most of my working life the dating scene changed within 20 years, casual sex was easy at first then it gradually changed. Women started to consider the work place as a more important part of their lives, a boyfriend was a 'nice to have' addition. This caused men to 'up their game', a quickie behind the disco was no longer 'in'. The feminist movement got out of hand and caught many men off guard, actually I think many women have regretted this lately. I don't think relationships have become better in the west, probably worse, its a competitive material world with adverts telling us what we should have and relationship sites focusing on better orgasms for women, very little on the social aspects of living together. Men haven't become effeminate, they've given up in a way, there are exaggerated expectations placed on men and whatever they do is wrong so a place like Thailand is a wonderful change, they can breath easier, the expectations are low and it is easier to shine, I'm not talking about sex here, at 76 that's low on my radar and my wife's interest in sex, never high at the best of times, dived with the menopause and yet we have a wonderful relationship with both respecting the others borders. Thai women are only more feminine than western women when they are working in the bars because of the competition, outside in the corporate world they can be just as hard nosed as their western counterparts just with a little more charm.

12 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

So you don't understand how it works here. But I have only 15 years, in depth, experience.

 

I have to be honest, I don't really care to hear your sugar daddy stories.. 

2 minutes ago, kevozman1 said:

 

I have to be honest, I don't really care to hear your sugar daddy stories.. 

Ok, Ok, I go, let you theorise ad nauseam...

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Lived in the US for 62 years, and never dated a woman who was anywhere near as you describe, which means you probably have never been there. There are millions of slim women in the US. Yes, there are more people that are at least overweight, but that doesn't mean they all are. Women in the US are not all feminists, bitches or slobs. That happens everywhere, including the LOS, where many women are screamers, and I don't mean during sex. One look at the lakorns shows you how many women here act under pressure, and it's hardly feminine. I know soap operas are a little out there but actually they do show how men and women act here, with the exception that there aren't many men heroes that rescue damsels in distress. I knew about these screamers many years before I moved here, and what I see matches what I heard about all that time. Women are the same everywhere, with the same needs and issues. Culture suppresses them in Asian countries, as they are looked at as inferior. Something which creates those bitches who think they deserve more (some do), and that  anger shows itself in how they react to stress, and how they raise their children.

Given that I no longer have any interest in a romantic relationship with any woman anywhere, it's of no current interest to me what real women look like anymore, wherever they may be. I'll stick to media sources that portray women as attractive, slim and up for a bit of the other without needing men to take out a mortgage to bonk them.

Had I stuck to that in the first half of my life, I'd still have a house worth 1 million in today's $, which I could sell and spend the rest of my life with Thai BGs. Sadly, the woman I made the mistake of thinking was special got it 40 years ago.

6 hours ago, bradiston said:

It doesn't mean any of these things. What has been transposed onto the concept of liberalism are all the petty hangups the unwoke have about modern society. They feel excluded and quite rightly, hated. The unwoke are a very sad crowd. Backward, brainwashed and boring. Uncultured, unenlightened, unmannered. Totally American in origin.

 

They are guys who couldn't make it back home. Incels. They are insecure and think that domination makes them a 'man', when all it does is make them onanists.

 

The description of 'women back home' that I see coming from the rightists here is not what I experienced. Maybe I just come from a vastly different socio-economic level. My former colleagues back home want a man for love and companionship. They already have career success and wealth. In my second of two careers (hedge fund management) everybody is well set, so even the women are not looking to scam a guy out of his pickup truck or bass boat. The women are already driving Mercs or Porsches, or---as a very dear friend drives---a Bentley Continental Speed and an Audi R8. She's also drop dead gorgeous, but would never give the time of day to some guy who thinks women should be kept barefoot and pregnant and make his morning Maypo.

 

I happen to live in Thailand now, so odds are that the women I date are going to be Thai. Owing to the web and social media, Thai women are quite similar to Western women in attitude and what they seek in life. Guys who are insecure and have some weak need to dominate are targets for the more manipulative Thai women, who know how to make some self-proclaimed manly man think he is winning. The joke is on him. I suspect the OP gets suckered nine ways from Sunday by Thai women who can spot a true weakling a mile away.

 

58 minutes ago, itsari said:

I mentioned Norway to show that there is a better way to treat single parents and if Thailand went that road there would be less need for single parents to go chasing foreigners and have independence. 

I realise Norway has wealth yet they are not the only country that could afford a similar scheme as the country is paid back overtime. 

Yes I agree that Thailand has  woeful wealth distribution and that makes it almost impossible to help single parents in a similar way as Norway addewd with the control the one percent have in Thailand.

Many countries in the world have a need for more children and Thailand is one of them.

Thank you for your reply.

 

There wouldn't be a single parent problem if women didn't pop out kids to unsuitable men. Why is it we need a licence test to drive a car, but need nothing to have kids that end up damaged by bad parents?

 

If the state didn't pay women to have kids there would be a lot less unwanted kids than now.

 

Up to me people would have to have a fund to support their kids in the event of problems before being allowed to have any, like having a deposit to buy a house.

Makes me mad that I paid taxes to support kids of ratbag parents.

On 6/14/2024 at 8:38 PM, BritManToo said:

Same ....... Got as far as tictok ........

I made it as far as liberal dystopian & realized the guy didn't want a partner, he wanted a housekeeper he could have sex on.

 

Thai men more masculine?

 

The country is full of guys that don't support their kids (deadbeat dad's).

Drive moto taxi's.

Drink snake whiskey.

Wear flip flops.

Childish sneering & laughter.

Keep asking for a cup.

 

Are you referring to their facial features?

I'm not sure if this thread is bait or just delusional.

 

My 2 cents, yes men in the west from my generation (millenial) and down to the Zoomers are on average way more feminine than the previous generations but I'd add that I believe most of the men these ages that have moved (not travelling) to Thailand are small business owners who want the government out of their lives and lean more right than left unless you are in KPG or Pai.

 

Almost all my male friends expect their GFs to assume the traditional roles or will move on, personally, I date the westerners still as I don't think there's that much difference between the younger Thais (under 30) and the westerners in mentality these days especially in a place like Samui.

 

I see weight has been mentioned many times but theirs a lot of land whale thais I see and I'm not even talking about the youth, many a western male I've seen married to a woman who was likely skinny when they met but is now 5' and 75kg now. I'd say again down on the islands that westerners in general under 40 are in top 5% of the population shape as its beach lifestyle.

13 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

They are guys who couldn't make it back home. Incels. They are insecure and think that domination makes them a 'man', when all it does is make them onanists.

 

The description of 'women back home' that I see coming from the rightists here is not what I experienced. Maybe I just come from a vastly different socio-economic level. My former colleagues back home want a man for love and companionship. They already have career success and wealth. In my second of two careers (hedge fund management) everybody is well set, so even the women are not looking to scam a guy out of his pickup truck or bass boat. The women are already driving Mercs or Porsches, or---as a very dear friend drives---a Bentley Continental Speed and an Audi R8. She's also drop dead gorgeous, but would never give the time of day to some guy who thinks women should be kept barefoot and pregnant and make his morning Maypo.

 

I happen to live in Thailand now, so odds are that the women I date are going to be Thai. Owing to the web and social media, Thai women are quite similar to Western women in attitude and what they seek in life. Guys who are insecure and have some weak need to dominate are targets for the more manipulative Thai women, who know how to make some self-proclaimed manly man think he is winning. The joke is on him. I suspect the OP gets suckered nine ways from Sunday by Thai women who can spot a true weakling a mile away.

 

 

Oh you 'JUST HAPPEN' to live in Thailand now... Can you explain why you moved to a developing country that has laws and social norms that would be considered pretty f'cking dam far fight and the opposite of the order pushed in your home country? And also males like yourself are just insulting the vast majority of men in the country you have moved to. In Thailand (and decent men in pretty much the rest of the world) a man leading a relationship is not looked as as insecure of looking to dominate. You're the weirdo out here pal, and anywhere else apart from internet forums and in Western cities.

On 6/15/2024 at 8:52 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I did love being in LOS.

Another tale of unrequited romance.

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There wouldn't be a single parent problem if women didn't pop out kids to unsuitable men. Why is it we need a licence test to drive a car, but need nothing to have kids that end up damaged by bad parents?

 

If the state didn't pay women to have kids there would be a lot less unwanted kids than now.

 

Up to me people would have to have a fund to support their kids in the event of problems before being allowed to have any, like having a deposit to buy a house.

Makes me mad that I paid taxes to support kids of ratbag parents.

How could anyone disagree with your comments on becoming a parent , yet Utopia has not been created yet and there is freedom of choice to be considered as well.

In other words You a, GOP all cowboy male, find it impossible to find a girlfriend in the "liberal" west and now you don't like the competition from "liberal" males coming to Thailand because you fear you'll be stuck with your right hand again.

31 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

In other words You a, GOP all cowboy male, find it impossible to find a girlfriend in the "liberal" west and now you don't like the competition from "liberal" males coming to Thailand because you fear you'll be stuck with your right hand again.

 

I think Chang Vest Dave and Flip Flop Pete would be more competition than these dorks, but anyway i'm in a relationship and I can tell you what I would boot any of these guys out on sight if my daughter brought them home.

 

12 hours ago, TedG said:

 

What does liberal even mean these days?  It used to mean individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, etc. 

Still does

28 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

In other words You a, GOP all cowboy male, find it impossible to find a girlfriend in the "liberal" west and now you don't like the competition from "liberal" males coming to Thailand because you fear you'll be stuck with your right hand again.

OUCH

3 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Liberal these days means:

 

- you must use my pronouns 

- you can't say that word

- I am offended by everything 

- you're cancelled

- let's destroy priceless art

- you can't have gas cars

- you can't have guns

- you can loot stores

- you can't drive on rainbow flag

- your kids must be mutilated 

- mass migration is cool

- more crime, okay

- Islamic extremists are okay

- Jews are not okay 

- let's become communist 

 

Ironically, conservatives are more liberal now than the liberals, lol

 

The liberals have become very intolerant 

 

 

 

Conservative apparently means make up sh#t .      

Just now, charleskerins said:

Conservative apparently means make up sh#t .      

 

To a certain extent as conservatives are just conserving what Liberalism was a couple of decades ago, and Liberalism, Modern Western Liberalism to be more precise (the ideology your ilk follow) is just promotion of the weak. Anyway unless you have De Niro 'F you' money, or something close to it, the world is going to get very small for you guys, but as I said in another thread at least you can post online eh?

1 hour ago, ryandb said:

I see weight has been mentioned many times but theirs a lot of land whale thais I see and I'm not even talking about the youth, many a western male I've seen married to a woman who was likely skinny when they met but is now 5' and 75kg now

I’ve gotten my wife off the carbohydrates by convincing her that it’s detrimental to her health and that she’ll develop diabetes if she keeps it up, though true if all she scarfs out on is rice and noodles. The real reason is, that I don’t want to be parked next to a pork-a-muffin. So no more cooking rice and noodles, just veggies and meat and it shows, she’s quite the little candy.

11 minutes ago, novacova said:

I’ve gotten my wife off the carbohydrates by convincing her that it’s detrimental to her health and that she’ll develop diabetes if she keeps it up, though true if all she scarfs out on is rice and noodles. The real reason is, that I don’t want to be parked next to a pork-a-muffin. So no more cooking rice and noodles, just veggies and meat and it shows, she’s quite the little candy.

 

I think it's mostly the canola oil and sugar content in most Thai food I see (which is why I rarely touch Thai food that I don't cook myself), the portions they eat still seem small. Like you say carbs won't increase their size unless they are over eating calories wise. 

1 minute ago, ryandb said:

 

I think it's mostly the canola oil and sugar content in most Thai food I see (which is why I rarely touch Thai food that I don't cook myself), the portions they eat still seem small. Like you say carbs won't increase their size unless they are over eating calories wise. 

My wife cooks Thai food with olive oil, no sugar and no palm oil, it’s better than anything else I’ve ever eaten.

On 6/15/2024 at 8:39 AM, Ben Zioner said:

Hmmmhhh... Thai men act masculine, and when completely lost for clues resort to physical violence. I this matches your concept of man, you must be a Trump voter.

"Thai men resort to physical violence."  In most cases only when they have a three or four man back up.

55 minutes ago, ryandb said:

 

I think it's mostly the canola oil and sugar content in most Thai food I see (which is why I rarely touch Thai food that I don't cook myself), the portions they eat still seem small. Like you say carbs won't increase their size unless they are over eating calories wise. 

Carbs, especially from rice, are why most are overweight now. They eat it every meal, in large amounts, and if you have diabetes, you're adding to the problem. Oil won't hurt unless it's in all of your cooking. Sugar, especially table sugar, will hurt you if you eat it all the time.