Supreme Court rules Trump is entitled to some immunity in Jan. 6 case

[candide]

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, you made it up, you seem to do that a lot, but thanks for your honesty. 

 

I think it safe to say you were not able to come up with another "western democratic county" that is stupid enough to have large scale mail in voting either, huh? 

I did not make it up. This is my understanding of how it would  work, based on precedents of convictions for much lower offenses (ex. Sarkozy's conviction).  You may have another understanding, of course.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/03/1167683121/trump-indictment-us-rare-other-countries-prosecute-leaders

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65181338

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/26/countries-where-former-leaders-jailed-charged

 

Please stop the mail in voting B.S. There is no evidence of large fraud because of mail in voting.

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In part 3, Frost asked Nixon whether the president could do something illegal in certain situations such as against antiwar groups and others if he decides "it's in the best interests of the nation or something". Nixon replied: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal", by definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_interviews#:~:text=In part 3%2C Frost asked,not illegal"%2C by definition.

[riclag]

4 hours ago, BobBKK said:

It is obvious that Presidents must have immunity for the official things they do, or they would all be arrested when they leave office. Come to think of it, Bush and Obama should be arrested for Iraq, etc.

biden had a news conference today

and criticized the Scotus  decision on

Presidential immunity ! The Supreme court is the bedrock of the justice system in the constitution! biden has criticized the court over & over when 

it goes against his administration.

 

The rub:  When a reporter asked ,How can you assure your predecessor wont take office again. , at a  press conference in Nov, 2022. He said 

 “We just have to demonstrate that he will not take power if he does run, making sure he — under legitimate efforts of our Constitution — does not become the next president again !

 

Can you see how he manipulated the Scotus opinion ! He’ll use the constitution,but if the justices who interpret it dont rule in his favor , him and his delinquents

take a hissy fit.

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5098992/user-clip-q-assure-predecessor-office-again-biden-we-demonstrate-power-run-making-legitimate

Edited July 2 by riclag

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

In part 3, Frost asked Nixon whether the president could do something illegal in certain situations such as against antiwar groups and others if he decides "it's in the best interests of the nation or something". Nixon replied: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal", by definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_interviews#:~:text=In part 3%2C Frost asked,not illegal"%2C by definition.

Sounds like Joe Biden

[shdmn]

Not that I think this is necessary.  Democrats have been doing very well in byelections since Roe v Wade was overturned and this decision will only increase Dem voter turnout in the general. 

 

Edited July 2 by shdmn

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3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Sounds like Joe Biden

Got actual evidence to back that up? Or is this just a uninformed, uninformative cheap shot?

[Tug]

15 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Not that I think this is necessary.  Democrats have been doing very well in byelections since Roe v Wade was overturned and this decision will only increase Dem voter turnout in the general. 

 

I’d love that lol to bad it won’t happen it’s just another reason to make sure trump never gets back in,this decision by scotus will remove all restraints from trump if he gets back in imo he will be shooting protesters in short order and arresting journalists…..

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Got actual evidence to back that up? Or is this just an uninformed, uninformative cheap shot?

Plenty of evidence. 

[mogandave]

52 minutes ago, Tug said:

I’d love that lol to bad it won’t happen it’s just another reason to make sure trump never gets back in,this decision by scotus will remove all restraints from trump if he gets back in imo he will be shooting protesters in short order and arresting journalists…..

You’d love to circumvent the constitution to keep a leftist in office, nice. 

 

Whatever it takes, right? 

 

 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

biden had a news conference today

and criticized the Scotus  decision on

Presidential immunity ! The Supreme court is the bedrock of the justice system in the constitution! biden has criticized the court over & over when 

it goes against his administration.

 

The rub:  When a reporter asked ,How can you assure your predecessor wont take office again. , at a  press conference in Nov, 2022. He said 

 “We just have to demonstrate that he will not take power if he does run, making sure he — under legitimate efforts of our Constitution — does not become the next president again !

 

Can you see how he manipulated the Scotus opinion ! He’ll use the constitution,but if the justices who interpret it dont rule in his favor , him and his delinquents

take a hissy fit.

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5098992/user-clip-q-assure-predecessor-office-again-biden-we-demonstrate-power-run-making-legitimate

Rage by dem commentators, over 

The SCOTUS presidential immunity decision .

 

Constitutional Professor Turley rebuttal to 

Cnn Van Jones Aoc , Sen Schumer  Sen Warren & others.

 

 Turley said,The comment captures the misguided analysis of many media outlets. The Supreme Court was designed to be unpopular; to take stands that are politically unpopular but constitutionally correct.

The dems have become the very 

threat that the court was meant to resist”.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/07/01/opinion/supreme-courts-trump-immunity-ruling-is-what-the-body-was-meant-for-unpopular-but-constitutionally-correct/

 

 

 

 

Edited July 2 by riclag

[mogandave]

It’s interesting that when Trump was convicted for felony  bookkeeping in New York, Biden came out and talking about how great our judicial system is, and how it should be respected.

 

Now, with a decision he does not like, the condemns the judicial system. 

 

Typical leftist.

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

It’s interesting that when Trump was convicted for felony  bookkeeping in New York, Biden came out and talking about how great our judicial system is, and how it should be respected.

 

Now, with a decision he does not like, the condemns the judicial system. 

 

Typical leftist.

 Good point !Another example of dems & biden threat to the republic ,

as Turley & others have suggested!

 

https://nypost.com/2024/07/01/opinion/supreme-courts-trump-immunity-ruling-is-what-the-body-was-meant-for-unpopular-but-constitutionally-correct/

 

 

[Tug]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

You’d love to circumvent the constitution to keep a leftist in office, nice. 

 

Whatever it takes, right? 

 

 

Translation…..I’d like to see trumps coup attempt and his blatant disregard for national security (docs case) be adjudicated BEFORE the election no more no less hope that clears it up for ya!

[riclag]

For truth , justice and the American way.

Not that the titled dem convicted felon

makes a difference! Dems persecution in Ny concocted trial ,

more likely to get   a two week delay!

 

Donald Trump’s sentencing in his Manhattan hush money case will likely be delayed for at least two weeks in light of his bid to throw out the case in light of the U.S Supreme Court’s immunity ruling.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/07/02/us-news/donald-trumps-sentencing-hush-money-case-will-likely-be-delayed-at-least-2-weeks/

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

For truth , justice and the American way.

Not that the titled dem convicted felon

makes a difference! Dems persecution in Ny concocted trial ,

more likely to get   a two week delay!

 

Donald Trump’s sentencing in his Manhattan hush money case will likely be delayed for at least two weeks in light of his bid to throw out the case in light of the U.S Supreme Court’s immunity ruling.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/07/02/us-news/donald-trumps-sentencing-hush-money-case-will-likely-be-delayed-at-least-2-weeks/

 

 

It looks like we have won a subscription to the NYPost! 😁

[bendejo]

On 7/1/2024 at 8:20 AM, theblether said:

Devil in the detail? Endless arguments about what constitutes an official act. 

 

You can say that again!  These cases will be going on in one form or another until the day he dies.  As if it's the longest game of hacky-sack in known history.  But by then they may be trivial. 

IMO if DT gets back into the WH (notice I did not use re-elected) forces beyond his control will be in charge within the first year.  What I'm getting at will become apparent at the GOP convention in a few weeks.

The US is in the throes of a judicial coup, it began with the 2000 election and entered a new phase when Roe was cancelled -- remember ol' Clarence's promise of "we're coming" for just about any freedoms that were granted after 1960.  The irony would be if Clarence was forced to use a "Coloreds Only" bathroom in the SCOTUS courthouse.

 

[Skipalongcassidy]

21 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

 

Out of office , not president anymore = no immunity .

You really cannot be that stupid... try reading it again and NOT give it your interpretative emphasis... try reading it as it is written... it doesn't read as having to now be in office... it is reads to mean that while he was in office... grow up 

[Captain Monday]

20 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

Your post is a blow against Democracy.  First, do you know the US is NOT a Democracy?  Do you have any reasoning skills?  If this did not come out this way, the the path would have been opened for the families of the 13 service members killed in the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan to individually sue the crap out of Biden.  He would have to dig into the payoffs from the Chinese, Ukrainians, Russia and probably others.  As bad as this withdrawal was, it was his decision to do it this way.  He has Immunity from being sue because of this decision.  The Supreme Court did not come up with this just for Trump.  Your posts are ridiculous when it comes to Trump.  Actually the decision should have been 9 to 0.  But we have 3 Leftist with the same mindset as you, or maybe you have the mindset of them and the Marxist media in the US who just keep repeating the same lies even when they know their stories are lies.

If 13 were killed on a “botched” withdrawal who is responsible for 2459 killed and more than 20,000 injured as far as I remember in a pointless war that achieved nothing ? 

[Yellowtail]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Translation…..I’d like to see trumps coup attempt and his blatant disregard for national security (docs case) be adjudicated BEFORE the election no more no less hope that clears it up for ya!

So, you would deny Trump his Constitutional right to due process, correct? 

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

If 13 were killed on a “botched” withdrawal who is responsible for 2459 killed and more than 20,000 injured as far as I remember in a pointless war that achieved nothing ? 

The war Obama said was the good one? 

 

Should Obama be prosecuted for killing two innocent Americans, on American soil with a drone strike? 

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9 hours ago, mogandave said:

It’s interesting that when Trump was convicted for felony  bookkeeping in New York, Biden came out and talking about how great our judicial system is, and how it should be respected.

 

Now, with a decision he does not like, the condemns the judicial system. 

 

Typical leftist.

More nonsense from you. You think supreme Court decisions should be above criticism? So tell me how did  conservative politiciansreact to the supreme Court decision to make gay marriage a constitutionally guaranteed right? And that's far from the only decision that was criticized from the right.

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9 hours ago, riclag said:

Rage by dem commentators, over 

The SCOTUS presidential immunity decision .

 

Constitutional Professor Turley rebuttal to 

Cnn Van Jones Aoc , Sen Schumer  Sen Warren & others.

 

 Turley said,The comment captures the misguided analysis of many media outlets. The Supreme Court was designed to be unpopular; to take stands that are politically unpopular but constitutionally correct.

The dems have become the very 

threat that the court was meant to resist”.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/07/01/opinion/supreme-courts-trump-immunity-ruling-is-what-the-body-was-meant-for-unpopular-but-constitutionally-correct/

 

 

 

 

Just because the decision is unpopular doesn't make it correct, either. After all, three supreme Court justices disagreed with the decision

[herfiehandbag]

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, and which of those "western democratic counties" has large scale mail in voting? 

Isn't large scale mail in voting a result of a considerable number of exceptionally political decisions to severely restrict the number of polling stations in areas where certain, umh, communities, live; which resulted in very long queues to cast a ballot, and often led to the polls closing whilst many were still queuing to cast their ballot?

 

Now of course they should restrict the access to postal voting.

 

"Jobs a goodun", Jim Crow!

[Yellowtail]

12 hours ago, candide said:

I did not make it up. This is my understanding of how it would  work, based on precedents of convictions for much lower offenses (ex. Sarkozy's conviction).  You may have another understanding, of course.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/03/1167683121/trump-indictment-us-rare-other-countries-prosecute-leaders

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65181338

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/26/countries-where-former-leaders-jailed-charged

 

Please stop the mail in voting B.S. There is no evidence of large fraud because of mail in voting.

Yeah, your understanding is incorrect, that you are able to find other leftists that agree with you is not surprising. 

 

I did not say that "There is no evidence of large fraud because of mail in voting.", you just made that up as well. I think we're starting to see a pattern here. 

 

What I said was: "I think it safe to say you were not able to come up with another "western democratic county" that is stupid enough to have large scale mail in voting either, huh?"

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Isn't large scale mail in voting a result of a considerable number of exceptionally political decisions to severely restrict the number of polling stations in areas where certain, umh, communities, live; which resulted in very long queues to cast a ballot, and often led to the polls closing whilst many were still queuing to cast their ballot?

 

Now of course they should restrict the access to postal voting.

 

"Jobs a goodun", Jim Crow!

No, it is not. 

 

 

 

[Cryingdick]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Translation…..I’d like to see trumps coup attempt and his blatant disregard for national security (docs case) be adjudicated BEFORE the election no more no less hope that clears it up for ya!

 

I wish i  could,d silence you and imprison you faster than that. See how that works?

[stoner]

23 hours ago, gargamon said:

There's only one answer. Trump is a threat to the United States. Have Seal Team 6 go and assassinate him. Official act. No repercussions. No problem.

 

did agatha tell you that ? might as well skip that go right for the kill shot. no more elections ever as of now. 

[Cryingdick]

5 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

did agatha tell you that ? might as well skip that go right for the kill shot. no more elections ever as of now. 

I am recruiting Superman and Mighty Mouse to respond. Joe will be calling the ground game so it can't fail.

Edited Wednesday at 02:00 AM by Cryingdick

[Captain Monday]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

The war Obama said was the good one? 

 

Should Obama be prosecuted for killing two innocent Americans, on American soil with a drone strike? 

Long before that he should have been impeached by the Republicans.

They had him dead to rights. For harboring and failing  to prosecute and the torturers of the Bush crime family in violation of US law and International law. 

 

＊I think you misposted as you are aware the drone strike on al-Alwaki was conducted Yemen. Parte justification for not just sending the FBI to collect him. We are not in new territory regarding the unitary Executives’  apparent imminity from war crime prosecition

Edited Wednesday at 02:52 AM by Captain Monday

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On 7/2/2024 at 9:39 AM, thaipo7 said:

Your post is a blow against Democracy.  First, do you know the US is NOT a Democracy?  Do you have any reasoning skills?  If this did not come out this way, the the path would have been opened for the families of the 13 service members killed in the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan to individually sue the crap out of Biden.  He would have to dig into the payoffs from the Chinese, Ukrainians, Russia and probably others.  As bad as this withdrawal was, it was his decision to do it this way.  He has Immunity from being sue because of this decision.  The Supreme Court did not come up with this just for Trump.  Your posts are ridiculous when it comes to Trump.  Actually the decision should have been 9 to 0.  But we have 3 Leftist with the same mindset as you, or maybe you have the mindset of them and the Marxist media in the US who just keep repeating the same lies even when they know their stories are lies.

One of the more absurd contentions from the right, is that the US is not a democracy. There are varieties of democracy. The US is what is called a representative democracy or a constitutional democracy.

The problem with the hypothetical case you cite is that it's about civil law. Not criminal law.