6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Was anything actually proven?

 

Do you have a link for that?

 

Actually Zelensky's shadow activities were released in the Pandora Papers (so right after the Panama Papers). It's all proven and clearly established.

 

Zelensky is a trash can.

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-panama-pandora-papers-offshore-companies-finances-1776124

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

8 minutes ago, ModdaPunk said:

 

Actually Zelensky's shadow activities were released in the Pandora Papers (so right after the Panama Papers). It's all proven and clearly established.

 

Zelensky is a trash can.

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-panama-pandora-papers-offshore-companies-finances-1776124

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

Thank you for the links.

If the game is up Ukraine launching their first missile in to Russia since the OK from France UK and the US today must be an apparition?

10 hours ago, Thailand said:

If the game is up Ukraine launching their first missile in to Russia since the OK from France UK and the US today must be an apparition?

In the wider context it means nothing. I doubt there are enough of them in existence to make a difference, and Zelensky will not be getting all of them by a long chalk.

IMO this is merely Biden ( or his handlers ) making a last rattle of the sabre before Trump puts this proxy war into it's grave.

 

BTW, expect more air assaults on Kiev in retaliation.

18 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

I hope they do a deep dive into Zelensky and his finances when this over, he should be pretty rich on US taxpayer money by now. I also hope they arrest him when this is all over, I'd like to see the warmonger in a prison cell for the rest of his life.

Huh? Putin is the warmonger who started the war.

Putin started the escalation by adding foreign (North Koreans) into the fray. The West responded by allowing missile strikes into western Russia.

 

This is a good strategy by the West. Putin will be hoping Trump intervenes when he becomes president in 2 months. Putin can't escalate the conflict further without the risk of putting Trump offside. From Trump's perspective, his negotiating hand has been strengthened for when he does become president. He has more to trade if he really wants to end the war.

 

Onviously the only possible negotiated solution is for Russia to keep all the territory it has annexed and for Ukraine to join NATO. There is no other 'security gaurantees' Russia can offer as it has already broken so many previous agreements.

 

In regard to the North Korean troops, I hope Ukraine opens a huge propaganda campaign aimed at those troops using Internet, letter drops and every other means. The messages, in Korean, will tell the soldiers if they give up to Ukaranian troops they will be kept safe, never returned to North Korea and will be resettled in South Korea. A chance fora new life! In any case, just the threat of desertions would stop Russia/North Korea from deploying North Korean troops on the front line.

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Huh? Putin is the warmonger who started the war.

 

That would definitely be the narrative fed to the sheep, baaah.

24 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

That would definitely be the narrative fed to the sheep, baaah.

You are the one falling for Russia propaganda.   

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

You are the one falling for Russia propaganda.   

 

Maybe it's time you read and study up on what causes wars, not just take the bait fed to you by media sensationalism.

On 11/17/2024 at 12:13 PM, Lacessit said:

I could argue the same about the USA, in terms of tinpot dictatorships and being a nation.

As a non U. S. Citizen, what is it about We The People voting and electing our chosen President in a Democratic society that has you extremely confused and disoriented?

14 hours ago, ModdaPunk said:

 

Actually Zelensky's shadow activities were released in the Pandora Papers (so right after the Panama Papers). It's all proven and clearly established.

 

Zelensky is a trash can.

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-panama-pandora-papers-offshore-companies-finances-1776124

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

I was wondering how he obtained maintenance fees and lease  payments for his yacht.

 

19 minutes ago, G_Money said:

As a non U. S. Citizen, what is it about We The People voting and electing our chosen President in a Democratic society that has you extremely confused and disoriented?

For non-USA citizens, it is a worry that YOU voted in an obvious criminal fruitcake............😱

 

Just look at his appointed team...........🤢

On 11/16/2024 at 7:03 PM, billd766 said:

Why should he care?

 

It is not his country or his people.

How about you? You American? How does it feel knowing that OP has a better understanding of our politics than you?

4 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

That would definitely be the narrative fed to the sheep, baaah.

Please explain when the Ukraine invaded Russia, compared with Putin's claim that it would be all over in 2 weeks, as the Russians were invading the Ukraine.

 

I want to see how you can twist that 180 degrees.

On 11/17/2024 at 9:42 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

It'll be a stupid head of state that keeps throwing money into the Ukraine black hole now, though I expect warmonger Biden will keep sending death to Ukraine.

 

Well done Trump, not even sworn in and making wars end. Trump is the Man.

 

It depends.

Why is America (= the American taxpayer) spending so much on "Ukraine"?

Who receives that money? Ukraine?

Or do American politicians give the American taxpayers money to American weapons manufacturers? And those American weapons manufacturers donate huge amounts to American politicians?

 

Obviously American politicians, like most other politicians in this world, all pretend this is about helping the Ukrainian people and all that. Is it? Or are those just the motives which sound so nice on TV?

 

And this is obviously something independent of the political party. They all spend huge amounts, and all receive huge amounts of donations. 

 

 

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

It depends.

Why is America (= the American taxpayer) spending so much on "Ukraine"?

Who receives that money? Ukraine?

Or do American politicians give the American taxpayers money to American weapons manufacturers? And those American weapons manufacturers donate huge amounts to American politicians?

 

Obviously American politicians, like most other politicians in this world, all pretend this is about helping the Ukrainian people and all that. Is it? Or are those just the motives which sound so nice on TV?

 

And this is obviously something independent of the political party. They all spend huge amounts, and all receive huge amounts of donations. 

 

 

All of the above, but you and I will never know the real story.

We were warned about the military industrial complex by Eisenhower, but the b'tards screwed us anyway.

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Please explain when the Ukraine invaded Russia, compared with Putin's claim that it would be all over in 2 weeks, as the Russians were invading the Ukraine.

 

I want to see how you can twist that 180 degrees.

Are you referring to Kursk?

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

It depends.

Why is America (= the American taxpayer) spending so much on "Ukraine"?

Who receives that money? Ukraine?

Or do American politicians give the American taxpayers money to American weapons manufacturers? And those American weapons manufacturers donate huge amounts to American politicians?

 

Obviously American politicians, like most other politicians in this world, all pretend this is about helping the Ukrainian people and all that. Is it? Or are those just the motives which sound so nice on TV?

 

And this is obviously something independent of the political party. They all spend huge amounts, and all receive huge amounts of donations. 

 

 

Nobody receives the money physically except the weapon producers, agents, carriers, lawyers and for every shipment, or donation of weapons, Ukraine sinks deeper into debt. 

 

They have great resources, and for now, it is all about securing the investments, as well as weakening Russian and strengthening the borders. 

 

Russian have stepped up their game against Europe, destroying infrastructure, and sabotaging public transports, land and sea communication systems, flight radars, and more. Reliable Media publish, but for strange reasons, doesn't seem to go viral as much at everything nuisance we have been hit like the American election for an instance

4 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

That would definitely be the narrative fed to the sheep, baaah.

Lots of sheeple out there. Baaaaahhhhhh.

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO this is merely Biden ( or his handlers ) making a last rattle of the sabre before Trump puts this proxy war into it's grave.

It's important to note that the Ukraine conflict is not purely a proxy war, as it also involves a complex mix of historical, cultural, and domestic factors that have fueled tensions between Ukraine and Russia. The conflict has also had a major impact on the Ukrainian people, who have suffered significant loss of life and displacement as a result of the fighting.

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump puts this proxy war into it's grave.

Hugely disrespectful of the Ukrainian nation, such distasteful characterization of a war started by Pootin that has caused so much death and destruction to Ukraine's own peoples.

7 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Hugely disrespectful of the Ukrainian nation

 

The huge disrespect to the Ukrainian nation is in continuing to fund and encourage their further loss of life and territory...especially as a "peace"deal was on the table right at the beginning  scuppered by those who now as always  push for continual  endless wars.

8 minutes ago, johng said:

 

The huge disrespect to the Ukrainian nation is in continuing to fund and encourage their further loss of life and territory...especially as a "peace"deal was on the table right at the beginning  scuppered by those who now as always  push for continual  endless wars.

Vladimir thanks you.

The game is indeed up.

 

MAGA is an America First movement. What is Ukraine's actual value to the USA?

 

In this context, "Russia Russia Russia" rants from the usual suspects still desperate to discredit President Trump don't count as "value". Nor do contracts for the military-industrial complex. This is still true even if Putin is bad! Because the USA doesn't owe the world intervention and policing in every hotspot. This is a big tenet of the MAGA movement.

 

If Putin is so bad, Europe could have started a decade or two ago by not becoming dependent on Russian gas and oil, and then continuing to dig themselves in deeper and deeper and deeper over time.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Vladimir thanks you.

You don't want peace for Ukraine  ?   Zelensky thanks you.

4 hours ago, tai4de2 said:

The game is indeed up.

 

MAGA is an America First movement. What is Ukraine's actual value to the USA?

 

In this context, "Russia Russia Russia" rants from the usual suspects still desperate to discredit President Trump don't count as "value". Nor do contracts for the military-industrial complex. This is still true even if Putin is bad! Because the USA doesn't owe the world intervention and policing in every hotspot. This is a big tenet of the MAGA movement.

 

If Putin is so bad, Europe could have started a decade or two ago by not becoming dependent on Russian gas and oil, and then continuing to dig themselves in deeper and deeper and deeper over time.

America First does NOT mean America Only.

Ukraine defending against Russia is super important to  the security of EUROPE and a secure  EUROPE is super important to the USA.

Just now, johng said:

You don't want peace for Ukraine  ?   Zelensky thanks you.

The war monger is PUTIN!

Just like Ivan the terrible ,Putin from same mold

On 11/17/2024 at 12:28 PM, Lacessit said:

He's also as far away from the war as it is possible to get, without going to Antarctica.

But he is full of it

10 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Maybe it's time you read and study up on what causes wars, not just take the bait fed to you by media sensationalism.

What is the cause of the war.  Feel free to school me.