8 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

The left does not lie. They are just more informed than you are.

 

Wait, you weren't joking about Columbia?  They literally didn't do what Trump wanted, he threatened tariffs and they backed down.  That was a total win.

 

I can't believe someone can be so confidently wrong, having just posted something that proves the wrongness of the things they say!

 

This is wild!  

So, in summary, Trump caved! 

Just now, candide said:

So, in summary, Trump caved! 

Blind partisan knee jerk reaction. 

I've seen lots of Trump caving in comments. I don't get it. How is threatening tariffs and then putting them on hold for 30 days after both countries have said they will do more and wait to see if they keep to their word caving in? It's a nonsensical argument.  

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

1% of the fentanyl is responsible for 1,000 American deaths a year. 

 

Do you care about those people or their families? 

 

Nobody is forcing people to take fentanyl, If not fentanyl it will likely be an equally dangerous drug developed domestically such as Krokodil in Russia. Where effort is required is on mental health, education / social education and so on. The so called War on Drugs has cost billions without much success, people will always find Class A drugs, needs a different approach to just interdiction / jailing.

47 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet she was interviewed as the Border Czar, lied and claimed she had been to the border, and explained her plans as border Czar. Hilarious 

Except that the policy would have been reversed the moment Harris won. 

 

It also showed that Biden-Harris could have done it all along, and that they were lying about the "bipartisan" bill nonsense. 

Because designating them as terrorists add a lot of tools to eradication arsenal.  

 

But I'll take that as a no, you do not support the designation. 

 

Do you support anything Trump is trying to do? 

What does that mean that she was interviewed as the Border Czar? Does a label applied by a news interview give someone authority. You have a very strange idea of how government works. As for your prediction of what she would have done, thank you explorer of alternate realities.

 

How does it show that they were lying about the bipartisan bill?

 

I don't support misusing words in order to deploy laws.

 

As for your last question, I have actually posted not 1 but 2 topic endorsing some plans from Trump. 

Just now, placeholder said:

What does that mean that she was interviewed as the Border Czar? Does a label applied by a news interview give someone authority. You have a very strange idea of how government works. As for your prediction of what she would have done, thank you explorer of alternate realities.

It means Biden put her in charge of the border, and she made sure it stayed open and millions of illegals flooded in. 

 

You can pretend it's not so, just like you pretend people you disagree with are stupid. 

Just now, placeholder said:

How does it show that they were lying about the bipartisan bill?

Because the liars (Biden and Harris) said there was nothing they could do without the bill, and then when it looked like it was going to cost them the election, they managed to do something. 

 

Liars 

Just now, placeholder said:

 

I don't support misusing words in order to deploy laws.

So, you don't support designating the cartels that are terrorizing the border, terrorists. 

 

Just now, placeholder said:

 

As for your last question, I have actually posted not 1 but 2 topic endorsing some plans from Trump. 

What might those be? 

"Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum agreed to immediately send 10,000 soldiers to her country’s border to prevent the trafficking of fentanyl and other drugs."

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/03/trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-china-sheinbaum-responds.html

 

"I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border."

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It means Biden put her in charge of the border, and she made sure it stayed open and millions of illegals flooded in. 

 

You can pretend it's not so, just like you pretend people you disagree with are stupid. 

Because the liars (Biden and Harris) said there was nothing they could do without the bill, and then when it looked like it was going to cost them the election, they managed to do something. 

 

Liars 

So, you don't support designating the cartels that are terrorizing the border, terrorists. 

 

What might those be? 

Really? Is that what the media calling her border czar means? Your thinking process here is incoherent.

"Harris was never the “border czar,” or put in charge of border security or halting illegal border crossings, as former President Donald Trump, Republicans and even the occasional media outlet have claimed. Instead, she was tasked in March 2021 with tackling the “root causes” of migration from the Northern Triangle and pushing its leaders — along with Mexico’s — to enforce immigration laws, administration officials said."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/kamala-harris-chose-a-long-term-approach-when-tasked-to-tackle-rise-in-border-crossings

 

If someone is terrorizing their neighbors, are they a terrorist? Stop playing silly etymological games.

"a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

https://www.google.com/search?q=terrorist&oq=terrorist&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg90gEIMjc0NmowajeoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? Is that what the media calling her border czar means? Your thinking process here is incoherent.

"Harris was never the “border czar,” or put in charge of border security or halting illegal border crossings, as former President Donald Trump, Republicans and even the occasional media outlet have claimed. Instead, she was tasked in March 2021 with tackling the “root causes” of migration from the Northern Triangle and pushing its leaders — along with Mexico’s — to enforce immigration laws, administration officials said."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/kamala-harris-chose-a-long-term-approach-when-tasked-to-tackle-rise-in-border-crossings

 

If someone is terrorizing their neighbors, are they a terrorist? Stop playing silly etymological games.

"a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

https://www.google.com/search?q=terrorist&oq=terrorist&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg90gEIMjc0NmowajeoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

 

 

 

Really. 

 

"President Joe Biden has tapped Vice President Kamala Harris to lead the White House effort to tackle the migration challenge at the U.S. southern border and work with Central American nations to address root causes of the problem."

 

Biden taps VP Harris to lead response to border challenges | AP News

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Really. 

 

"President Joe Biden has tapped Vice President Kamala Harris to lead the White House effort to tackle the migration challenge at the U.S. southern border and work with Central American nations to address root causes of the problem."

 

Biden taps VP Harris to lead response to border challenges | AP News

What don't you understand about the fact the she wasn't put in charge. Let's look at what she actually did. Not what a press release says.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about the fact the she wasn't put in charge. Let's look at what she actually did. Not what a press release says.

We know what she actually did. 

9 minutes ago, rwilem said:

"Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum agreed to immediately send 10,000 soldiers to her country’s border to prevent the trafficking of fentanyl and other drugs."

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/03/trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-china-sheinbaum-responds.html

 

"I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alas this will not be enough to convince the loony lefties on here. Even what the president of Mexico says and the PM of Canada says won't be enough. Trump bad. The "that which cannot be named syndrome" is strong. At first I thought this was just a meme but I've become more and more convinced it's an actual disorder. 

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you support declaring the cartels terrorist organizations? 

I do,they are a danger to the country.

Do you support declaring the gangs that sell drugs on the streets terrorists organizations?

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"Harris was never the “border czar,” or put in charge of border security or halting illegal border crossings,

Well does it really matter one way or the other? The Biden administration opened the borders and not only that but were flying them in and saying that the numbers of illegal crossings had reduced substantially. There was even an app. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense defend what happened?

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

I do,they are a danger to the country.

Do you support declaring the gangs that sell drugs on the streets terrorists organizations?

Assuming they are part of the cartels, they already are. 

 

Ans while I would support declaring all gangs selling drugs terrorist organizations, I think that would be a pretty heavy lift. 

 

I think heavy sentences for citizens and immediate deportation for illegal aliens. Noncitizens in the country legally that are convicted should be deported and barred for life, after they do their time. 

The funniest/disturbing thing I've heard/seen is that people who have entered the USA illegally haven't done anything illegal. They aren't criminals. You just can't make this degree of idiocy up.

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

Not at all. He caved.

 

 

As usual, the mountain gave birth to a mouse! 

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Assuming they are part of the cartels, they already are. 

 

Ans while I would support declaring all gangs selling drugs terrorist organizations, I think that would be a pretty heavy lift. 

 

I think heavy sentences for citizens and immediate deportation for illegal aliens. Noncitizens in the country legally that are convicted should be deported and barred for life, after they do their time. 

Ok,i understand what you are saying.

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I've seen lots of Trump caving in comments. I don't get it. How is threatening tariffs and then putting them on hold for 30 days after both countries have said they will do more and wait to see if they keep to their word caving in? It's a nonsensical argument.  

Well for one thing, Trump caved too. He promised to crack down on the illegal supply of weapons going to Mexico. But what's more important, he has put tariffs at the center of his program. How does Canada or Mexico upping drug enforcement or stopping immigrants going to bring manufacturers back to America? Why can't the case be made that it was Trump who chickened out?

11 hours ago, oxo1947 said:

 

Over to CallumWK about what the "Word on the street"  is after that announcement

 

 

Except-  Trudeau already announced all of this, except for the Fentanyl Czar(???), in December, 2024

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I've seen lots of Trump caving in comments. I don't get it. How is threatening tariffs and then putting them on hold for 30 days after both countries have said they will do more and wait to see if they keep to their word caving in? It's a nonsensical argument.  

Maybe cuz,, in the case of Canada, they "agreed" to do things that they already announced they would do last year, in December. And Mexico already agreed with Biden to send 15,000 troops to the border. Trump just reduced it by one-third!  🙂

The Art of the Fool

But he did get a new Fentanyl Czar (wink wink) out of the deal.

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I've seen lots of Trump caving in comments. I don't get it. How is threatening tariffs and then putting them on hold for 30 days after both countries have said they will do more and wait to see if they keep to their word caving in? It's a nonsensical argument.  

No ideas why people think that, crazy lefties.

 

 

5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No ideas why people think that, crazy lefties.

 

 

Exactly. The world is laughing at that big old FOOL. His cult actually believes he won though. Pathetic.

 

To add, in the read out from the White House the sleazy corrupt liars there failed to mention action demanded by the brilliant wildly popular Mexican president about stopping imports of guns from the U.S. to Mexico, the main source of gun violence in Mexico. 

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Exactly. The world is laughing at that big old FOOL. His cult actually believes he won though. Pathetic.

 

To add, in the read out from the White House the sleazy corrupt liars there failed to mention action demanded by the brilliant wildly popular Mexican president about stopping imports of guns from the U.S. to Mexico, the main source of gun violence in Mexico. 

His cult still believes he won the 2020 election! That says it all! 😆

35 minutes ago, candide said:

His cult still believes he won the 2020 election! That says it all! 😆

Even worse, republican "politicians" that know he didn't say he did out of fear of being cancelled by the bully dictator. Mafia stuff. 

That's what  Trudeau and Sheinbaum understood quite well! 😆

 

 

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Alas this will not be enough to convince the loony lefties on here. Even what the president of Mexico says and the PM of Canada says won't be enough. Trump bad. The "that which cannot be named syndrome" is strong. At first I thought this was just a meme but I've become more and more convinced it's an actual disorder. 

 

 

Didn't the Mexican President do this not long ago, but no tariff nonsense.

 

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/04/12/mexico-has-10000-troops-in-south-to-stem-migration-white-house-says

 

And the Canadian plans were largely what had already been agreed in  November.

 

I thought  in 2017 Trumpf put his top man in solving the US opiod risis, Jared Kushner. I kind of assumed Trumf had succeeded in fixing it in short order, followng his election promises. So I am puzzled why he's still talking about it.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada went for a threat of immediate retaliation and a late-night emotional address that produced a cliffhanger compromise.

President Claudia Sheinbaum of Mexico opted for carrots over sticks, and backroom talks that led to an early deal.

In the end, when all was said and done on Monday, hours before what would have been the start of a North American trade war, both leaders negotiated reprieves from President Trump on his threat to impose tariffs on the United States’ two top trading partners.

And both had to provide relatively little in exchange.

 

NYTimes via https://archive.ph/ZRpWa