20 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

How could Churchill be responsible for rebuilding the RAF.  He only became PM on 10 May 1940 and the Battle of Britain is deemed to have started on 10 July?

He was out of government for al of the 1930's until he became First Lord of the Admiralty at the outbreak of war.

 

Correct.It was actually often unfairly maligned Neville Chamberlain who began the rapid expansion of the RAF, and ultimately it was the strength of the Royal Navy that deterred invasion - not to mention Hitler's vacillating attitude and preoccupation with making war in the East.

 

I was going to make a detailed rebuttal of the original poster's sillier points but one soon works out it's pointless when the person is clueless.

 

On a side issue, I think Zelensky  has quite a lot in common with Churchill but that's for another discussion

Will Trump soon be ceding Hawaii, Alaska to Canada, south-western USA back to Mexico, etc.?

 

I think not.

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

My happiness or otherwise is no concern of yours.

Try discussing the topic instead of me.

 

Yawn.

Very touchy ,eh

 

regards Worgeordie

Posts using derogatory and toxic nicknames or intentional misspelling of people’s names will be removed. If you don’t want your post to be removed, spell people’s names correctly, this applies to both sides of the political debate.

 

Off topic deflection posts and replies about Afghanistan and Alaska have been removed as this topic is about:

 

Ukraine must cede territory in peace talks, says US

19 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

Correct.It was actually often unfairly maligned Neville Chamberlain who began the rapid expansion of the RAF, and ultimately it was the strength of the Royal Navy that deterred invasion - not to mention Hitler's vacillating attitude and preoccupation with making war in the East.

 

I was going to make a detailed rebuttal of the original poster's sillier points but one soon works out it's pointless when the person is clueless.

 

On a side issue, I think Zelensky  has quite a lot in common with Churchill but that's for another discussion

Do reinvent history by all means if you want to make vacuous attacks against other posters, but unfortunately for you it's all on the record.

Many different sites supporting me, but I'll provide just one.

 

https://archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/education/churchill-era/exercises/appeasement/churchill-rearmament-and-appeasement/

Churchill’s role in British defence planning and foreign policy during the 1930s is of crucial importance for any understanding of the period. Unfortunately, it is virtually impossible to look at the issue now without hindsight. Churchill identified the growing strength of Germany’s armed forces, and he was proved right; he predicted that the situation in Europe would lead to war and it did; he said Britain was far behind Germany in its programme of rearmament and especially in air power, and he was right in this too. The case for honouring his foresight and condemning those on both sides in parliament who ignored and even derided him can seem unanswerable.

 

 

On a side issue, I think Zelensky  has quite a lot in common with Churchill but that's for another discussion

 

You did mention clueless in your post did you not? Zelensky is many things but Churchill, hardly.

18 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Very touchy ,eh

 

regards Worgeordie

Nothing to say on topic then?

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do reinvent history by all means if you want to make vacuous attacks against other posters, but unfortunately for you it's all on the record.

Many different sites supporting me, but I'll provide just one.

 

https://archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/education/churchill-era/exercises/appeasement/churchill-rearmament-and-appeasement/

Churchill’s role in British defence planning and foreign policy during the 1930s is of crucial importance for any understanding of the period. Unfortunately, it is virtually impossible to look at the issue now without hindsight. Churchill identified the growing strength of Germany’s armed forces, and he was proved right; he predicted that the situation in Europe would lead to war and it did; he said Britain was far behind Germany in its programme of rearmament and especially in air power, and he was right in this too. The case for honouring his foresight and condemning those on both sides in parliament who ignored and even derided him can seem unanswerable.

 

 

On a side issue, I think Zelensky  has quite a lot in common with Churchill but that's for another discussion

 

You did mention clueless in your post did you not? Zelensky is many things but Churchill, hardly.

 

Oh dear, you are quite the chump.Briefly then, because serious discussion seems beyond you.

 

Churchill obviously foresaw the threat of the Nazis very early but he was not in power.Chamberlain poured money into a succession of 13 RAF expansion programmes, while, as prime minister, he approved the construction of a series of aircraft factories, most notably the world’s largest plant at Castle Bromwich in Birmingham, which was meant to produce 1,000 Spitfires by June 1940. By 1939, rearmament was swallowing 21.4 per cent of Britain’s gross national product, a figure that reached 51.7 per cent by 1940. When Chamberlain finally declared war in September 1939, Britain’s aircraft output had overtaken that of Germany’s.

 

Churchill's greatest living biographer, Andrew Roberts, has repeatedly pointed out similarities between Churchill and Zelensky.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing to say on topic then?

Can you not read ? , I posted several times on page 7 , 🤘

 

Regards Worgeordie

yes it must...all the rare earth land which will be mined by all 3, Russia America and Ukraine

The territory that will go to Russia are the lucky ones.

The rest will get a big inflow of migrants to replace the dead people and rebuild .

That is the plan. The ukranians are fighting for a country that will not be theirs anymore

in a few years after the wars finishes.

11 minutes ago, FlorC said:

The territory that will go to Russia are the lucky ones.

The rest will get a big inflow of migrants to replace the dead people and rebuild .

That is the plan. The ukranians are fighting for a country that will not be theirs anymore

in a few years after the wars finishes.

Of course it is Putin's plan to control all of Ukraine whether literally or through a puppet government. A person would have to be totally clueless not to see that. Any kind of "peace" deal wouldn't change Putin's intention one bit.

Gee, what a surprise! 😠

On 3/11/2025 at 11:33 AM, Eric Loh said:

All were Ukrainians. Would Putin dare to hold another referendum under Ukraine constitution, referendum recognised by fundamental principles of internally accepted electoral laws and hold the referendum when the country is pacified and not in front of guns and tanks of the Russian army. 

 

Let's start by having fair elections in Ukraine without any involvement of the EU, the US and Russia. Zelensky has postponed the elections using the war as an excuse.

Let's have a durable cease fire and get the Ukrainians back home.

2 minutes ago, Nid_Noi said:

 

Let's start by having fair elections in Ukraine without any involvement of the EU, the US and Russia. Zelensky has postponed the elections using the war as an excuse.

Let's have a durable cease fire and get the Ukrainians back home.

Suuure! And it's not like martial law would be of any interest when a country is continuously invaded and bombed!

 

BTW, the parliament has voted to postpone elections.

Not 24 hours then, just a sell out to save his own face........😬

 

Would Trump give up any of the USA, NO, but it now seems he wants to TAKE others land too...........🥺

 

But, what does one expect by a convicted felon, who frequents shop changing rooms...🙄

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Not 24 hours then, just a sell out to save his own face........😬

 

Would Trump give up any of the USA, NO, but it now seems he wants to TAKE others land too...........🥺

 

But, what does one expect by a convicted felon, who frequents shop changing rooms...🙄

 

   The USA is not the Ukraine though .

The USA can fight back against any Country that attempts to invade the USA .

The Ukraine is unable to do that 

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The USA is not the Ukraine though .

The USA can fight back against any Country that attempts to invade the USA .

The Ukraine is unable to do that 

I think that is obvious, but, us free countries usually always came to the aid of a minnow.

If the USA's new leader is giving all that up, then it is a sad state of affairs.

 

Sadly, 4 years of his list of trouble, though with a bit of luck, less...

18 minutes ago, transam said:

I think that is obvious, but, us free countries usually always came to the aid of a minnow.

If the USA's new leader is giving all that up, then it is a sad state of affairs.Sadly, 4 years of his list of trouble, though with a bit of luck, less..

 

   We have caused enough World Wars  , twos quite enough , don't need another World War

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   We have caused enough World Wars  , twos quite enough , don't need another World War

Only one country has started two World War's, with Japan in one...........?  

 

Russia backs ALL the naughty countries, not of the free world.

 

In this case, he is pushing the boundaries to see what he can get away with....

56 minutes ago, Nid_Noi said:

 

Let's start by having fair elections in Ukraine without any involvement of the EU, the US and Russia. Zelensky has postponed the elections using the war as an excuse.

Let's have a durable cease fire and get the Ukrainians back home.

To have a fair election, it will mean a good turnout of electorate. You cant have a good turnout when 7 million Ukrainians are refugees and another 3.7 miilion internally displaced and a sizeable voters are at the frontline. Russia has to agree for a permanent peace before an election can be fairly held. You can't trust Putin on a cease fire agreement. 

22 hours ago, jayboy said:

Oh dear, you are quite the chump.Briefly then, because serious discussion seems beyond you.

Another with the personal insults. Begone from my sight then.

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Another with the personal insults. Begone from my sight then.

 

You were shown to be in egregious error by a number of posters so stop trying to deflect.

 

It is a schoolboy error to attribute the military expansion before 1939 to WSC If you had said the government was spurred to action by WSC's calls from the back benches, though only part of the picture, that would have at least been worth discussing.But it's not a point you made. I can't really say any more other than to suggest some reading into the subject - which clearly you have not done up to now.

On 3/17/2025 at 6:48 AM, jayboy said:

 

Oh dear, you are quite the chump.Briefly then, because serious discussion seems beyond you.

 

Churchill obviously foresaw the threat of the Nazis very early but he was not in power.Chamberlain poured money into a succession of 13 RAF expansion programmes, while, as prime minister, he approved the construction of a series of aircraft factories, most notably the world’s largest plant at Castle Bromwich in Birmingham, which was meant to produce 1,000 Spitfires by June 1940. By 1939, rearmament was swallowing 21.4 per cent of Britain’s gross national product, a figure that reached 51.7 per cent by 1940. When Chamberlain finally declared war in September 1939, Britain’s aircraft output had overtaken that of Germany’s.

 

Churchill's greatest living biographer, Andrew Roberts, has repeatedly pointed out similarities between Churchill and Zelensky.

has the ukraine walla said anything along the lines of winnies lovely quote...islam in a man is worse than rabies in a dog, then gave half of india to the muslims and called it pakistan?