18 minutes ago, mogandave said:

The reporting is that Trump fired a Biden appointee. 

 

If Biden appointed them, than Biden likely fired the Trump appointee, correct?

Dr. William Beach served a 4-year term 2019 - 2023 

 

Beach was nominated for the position in October 2017 and confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 13, 2019, to serve a four-year term.

 

McEntarfer was confirmed by the Senate in January 2024.  -- Wikipedia

 

21 minutes ago, mogandave said:

The reporting is that Trump fired a Biden appointee. 

 

She was voted in by the senate 86 - 8 votes

11 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

She was voted in by the senate 86 - 8 votes

So I was correct, in that she was a Biden appointee, thanks.

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

So I was correct, in that she was a Biden appointee, thanks.

But her predecessor was not fired.

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So I was correct, in that she was a Biden appointee, thanks.

 

You mean there were only 8 republicans that had a seat in the senate?

 

Off topic deflection posts and replies trolling about the 2024 election results have been removed.

4 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

You mean there were only 8 republicans that had a seat in the senate?

 

You seem confused. The US Senate did not make the appointment. 

Just now, mogandave said:

You seem confused. The US Senate did not make the appointment. 

 

You are confused, they could have voted against it

Just now, CallumWK said:

 

You are confused, they could have voted against it

You mean like how the Democrats voted against virtually all of Trump’s appointments? 

 

That the Senate confirmed her, does not make her any less an appointee. 

 

 

8 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

William W. Beach is the former Commissioner of Labor Statistics and head of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), an independent U.S. government fact-finding agency focused on labor economics and statistics, inflation, and productivity.

 

Beach was nominated for the position in October 2017 and confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 13, 2019, to serve a four-year term. 

 

In July 2023, President Joe Biden nominated McEntarfer to serve as Commissioner of Labor Statistics at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. She was confirmed by the Senate in January 2024. 

 

Wikipedia

 

Further from her conservative predecessor Mr. Beach:

 

William Beach, a former BLS commissioner appointed by Trump in his first presidency, posted on X that McEntarfer’s firing was “totally groundless”. He added that the dismissal set a dangerous precedent and undermined the BLS’s statistical mission.

 

Beach also co-signed a letter * by “the Friends of the Bureau of Labor Statistics” that went further, accusing Trump of seeking to blame someone for bad news and calling the rationale for McEntarfer’s firing “without merit”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/02/republicans-trump-bureau-of-labor-statistics-commissioner

 

* https://www.friendsofbls.org/updates/2025/8/1/statement-on-commissioner-mcentarfers-removal

 

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

The reporting is that Trump fired a Biden appointee. 

 

If Biden appointed them, than Biden likely fired the Trump appointee, correct? 

 

Did the 2023 revisions not come after the election?

1.Yellowtail, do you have memory issues?

Jerrymahoney already replied about it. Not fired, just the end of his mandate! 

 

2. No. Mainly in July and August. The minor revisions after the election were upwards! 😀

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-labor-market-adds-73000-jobs-in-july-while-may-june-reports-see-larger-than-normal-downward-revisions/ar-AA1JJ9Tv?ocid=cp_msn_news_share&optOutOfPersonalization=true

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/stunning-revisions-show-us-added-258k-fewer-jobs-than-first-reported/ar-AA1JJ6Re?ocid=cp_msn_news_share&optOutOfPersonalization=true

 

On 8/2/2025 at 8:47 PM, impulse said:

Economist Steve Moore on Fox:

 

During an appearance on “The Bottom Line,” Moore said that the BLS has revised its job creation numbers multiple times. The downward revisions, he added, could reach as high as 500,000.

 

“I am also told by my sources at BLS that they are going to, you know, they do all these re-estimates over time. There’s a good sense that they may revise downward the jobs created by Biden by another 500,000 or so. So those are gigantic errors. And so I think she needed to be fired just because of incompetence,” Moore said.

 

“I can’t really comment on that, whether she was playing politics, but what I can tell you is that she isn’t a very good estimator of the jobs because the numbers have been all over the place,” Moore said.

 

 

 

Why would an economist, any economist, chose to make their great reveal on Faux News?

As a consultant for quality management issues I had some insight about how companies work on, thrive on, hide, point out on certain data.

Here is the thing: given some time, usually just a few days, almost everything that is made up or being changed to look different from reality can be discovered and the ones who tried to cheat can be confronted.

 

Now, Trump is a master in accusing institutions or people for anything he does not like. E.g. the rigged election thing. I have never seen any evidence for it, even after he is president again, nothing.

Same now for the jobs report issue: where is any, only the slightest piece of evidence for data being tampered with?

if you think President Trump is wrong, then prove it haters.

 

 

1. the revisions were not setting any record (just providing this wrongful information makes me question this basic claim)

2. Normally the one who is accusing someone of wrongdoing should prove something is odd? Especially someone in the highest position in the US should not have the slightest problem to prove something that would be so easy to prove, that is if it really happened..

40 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

if you think President Trump is wrong, then prove it haters.

 

 

No. He has to prove he's right...

 

The major revision before the election was in August 2024, and it was a massive downward revision at -258k. So that was rigged in order to make Biden look bad?

 

You are completely incoherent! 

20 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

oh yah, and guess what ...you're completely desperate, AND full of NOTHING Burgers, so why don't you go eat another one of those turd sandwiches you democrat losers crave so much.

 

 

15 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

What a waste of time, you and and the loser lunatic democrats. 

Why is it that all MAGAs talk like children?

Just now, darbie-foos said:

whats a "MAGAs", is that something you suck on when your thumb smells like poo?

 

You're almost correct, it is something that sucks and smells like poo.

33 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

whats a "MAGAs", is that something you suck on when your thumb smells like poo?

I rest my case, thank you.

1 minute ago, darbie-foos said:

Ok, if you like sucking you poo smelling thumb it explains your preference for eating turd sandwiches for every time you witness Trump WINNING. Is it true, that witnessing President Trump and his stellar record of accomplishments, achievements and WINNING get your taste buds yearning for another turd burger or you prefer turd sandwiches?

I mean, wow. And you're allowed to vote?

I just reopened my case, allowed all that childish nonsense to spill out, now I rest it again. Please stop proving my point, it's all clear already.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

3 hours ago, darbie-foos said:

Ok, if you like sucking you poo smelling thumb it explains your preference for eating turd sandwiches for every time you witness Trump WINNING. Is it true, that witnessing President Trump and his stellar record of accomplishments, achievements and WINNING get your taste buds yearning for another turd burger or you prefer turd sandwiches?

I mean, wow. And you're allowed to vote?

I am beginning to understand why Trump won the election.

51 minutes ago, farang51 said:

I am beginning to understand why Trump won the election.

Life imitates "art"?

 

All these daily scatological references are the domain of 10-year-olds.

The public---at least members of the public with some connection to reality, which necessarily leaves out MAGAnistas---were given an education over the weekend as to how the BLS jobs number is determined. It looks like Trump is going to have to fire hundreds of people, as well as rewrite computer code involved in running algorithms on the collected data.

 

It also turns out the BLS Director does not even get the draft data until Wednesday of the week the report is to be reported. Now the hundreds of human beings involved in the data collection would know if what the final report is differs from what was collected, and nobody voiced any complaint about what was reported last Friday.

 

Firing the messenger for doing their job properly has become a key tactic of this fantasy-driven Administration.

 

Recall that a 30 year veteran in the intel community (Mike Collins) was fired from ODNI, as was the former #2 at ODNI (Sue Gordon) because they both gathered and collated intel whose conclusion differed from Trump's baseless gut feel. Now Erika McEnterfer was fired because the actual data---as gathered by hundrds of Dept of Labor civil servants---revealed that the supposed great economy is not actually so great. Trump lost face, and given his level of woeful personal insecurity, that is something with which he cannot live.

 

Tulsi Gabbard was put in the penalty box just before the Iran strike, because she reported the actual intelligence which estimated Iran was a few years away from a workable nuclear bomb. She quickly recanted and agreed Trump knows best. And why not? I mean, a guy who could stop the greatest Holocaust in human history---the 7 million slaughtered in Rwanda in 1994 (sic)---was finally stopped by Trump (then just a casino owner filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection) as he claimed in his Scottish presser last week, certainly has some sort of clairvoyant insight into what the mullahs are up to in a country he unlikely cannot point out on a map.

 

We are getting to the point where perhaps we can fire everybody who does any job according to the rules, and anyone who uses the skills that allowed them to be hired, because reports will just be what Trump wants them to be.

 

It isn't hard to imagine---given Trump's penchant for both mendacity and hyperbole, that in a nation with a workforce of around 170,000,000, a future BLS report will say "2 billion new jobs were created last month."

 

When it comes time to announce GDP numbers, I won't be surprised if it is announced that the economy grew 138% in the latest Quarter.

 

The new BLS Chief will likely give Trump a call before the report is issued and ask, "What do you need the number to be, your Majesty?"

 

Of course MAGAnistas will believe all of what spews from Trump's addled brain and delicate ego-driven gaping maw.

 

Yea...last Friday's revisions are "rigged" and Trump shot a gross 69 over the weekend on the golf course (which means a 71, given his claimed handicap of 2).

 

Frankly, Trump will have to do better if he wants to channel Kim il Song, the previous North Korean leader who "reportedly" shot in the high 30s in his first ever attempt at golf, shooting 7 or 8 holes-in-one in his round.

 

Trump already has the groveling sycophants who clap liked trained seals whenever he says anything, just as North Korea's leaders have generals and officials who do that. Now Trump just needs to be more bold...and go after that 8 holes-in-one in a single round that set the gold standard of fantasy and hyperbole.

After nearly a decade of fact and logic free MAGA, it has now morphed into being statistics free —
and with Trump’s latest promise to cut drug prices by 1500%, Big Pharma apparently pays you.

‘Idiocracy (2006)’ isn’t just a movie — it’s now government policy.

Here's the opinion of someone who should know if the numbers were rigged.

 

Trump's Former Labor Statistics Chief Says There's 'No Way' Jobs Numbers Were 'Rigged'

 

"“There’s no way for that to happen,” said Beach, who was replaced by McEntarfer in January 2024. “The commissioner doesn’t do anything to collect the numbers. The commissioner doesn’t see the numbers until Wednesday before they’re published. By the time the commissioner sees the numbers, they’re all prepared. They’re locked into the computer system."

 

Case closed.

49 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Here's the opinion of someone who should know if the numbers were rigged.

 

Trump's Former Labor Statistics Chief Says There's 'No Way' Jobs Numbers Were 'Rigged'

 

"“There’s no way for that to happen,” said Beach, who was replaced by McEntarfer in January 2024. “The commissioner doesn’t do anything to collect the numbers. The commissioner doesn’t see the numbers until Wednesday before they’re published. By the time the commissioner sees the numbers, they’re all prepared. They’re locked into the computer system."

 

Case closed.

Of course! That was a ridiculous accusation from Trump and the MAGA sheeps have been fooled, as usual! 🤣

Mr. Trump has said he will have a nominee in 3 or 4 days to submit for Senate confirmation.

 

Republican senators raise concerns about Trump's firing of Labor Department official
Trump fired the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Friday after the agency released a jobs report that showed a significant slowdown in hiring in the U.S.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/republican-senators-raise-concerns-trumps-firing-bls-commissioner-rcna222584

An economist has something to say about econimic statistics. I expect the usual crypto-Stalinists to dismiss it, calling it "Leftist" or something to cover their true beliefs.

 

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/the-paranoid-style-in-american-economics?r=51fdhw&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

10 hours ago, MicroB said:

An economist has something to say about econimic statistics. I expect the usual crypto-Stalinists to dismiss it, calling it "Leftist" or something to cover their true beliefs.

 

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/the-paranoid-style-in-american-economics?r=51fdhw&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

 

And your link points out exactly what I am saying: It would be very difficult to doctor around with the data and manipulate it either way, and impossible to eradicate trails leading to the discovery of a possible manipulation.

And then, even a president, the most powerful man, with countless institutions acting at his command, does not have a single piece of evidence for his claims? Absolutely nothing? Zero?

 

2 days ago someone posted an opinion of a right wing project (where even the project marked out that it is an opinion only) claiming to know that the numbers were doctored with, but there was just nothing substantial to it. So far, no evidence for any doctoring around with the data concerned.

 

Correct data collection might be subject to change if we see a trumpist taking over the now vacant position...

1 hour ago, zappalot said:

 

And your link points out exactly what I am saying: It would be very difficult to doctor around with the data and manipulate it either way, and impossible to eradicate trails leading to the discovery of a possible manipulation.

And then, even a president, the most powerful man, with countless institutions acting at his command, does not have a single piece of evidence for his claims? Absolutely nothing? Zero?

 

2 days ago someone posted an opinion of a right wing project (where even the project marked out that it is an opinion only) claiming to know that the numbers were doctored with, but there was just nothing substantial to it. So far, no evidence for any doctoring around with the data concerned.

 

Correct data collection might be subject to change if we see a trumpist taking over the now vacant position...

That's so obvious. There are around 2000 people working at BLS. The processing involves data collection,  databases, computer programs, statistical models, plain employees, statisticians, computer specialists, external advisors, etc...

 

There is no way one can rigg results without anyone noticing, and without it being recorded by the computerized system..

 

It's just the usual Trump's B.S. for the gullible! Who can be stupid enough to believe that! 🤣