I just bought a Toyota Yaris Cross from a dealer and was suprised to find no spare wheel.  The dealer said, I want one, I have to buy one!

 

Is this normal?  She also said, "don't worry", if you get a flat tyre, just call the Toyota SOS and they'll come and fit a new one.

 

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

just call the Toyota SOS and they'll come and fit a new one.

 

 

sound advice... I too call roadside assist instead of getting my hands dirty.

6 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

10 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

just call the Toyota SOS and they'll come and fit a new one.

 

sound advice... I too call roadside assist instead of getting my hands dirty.

 

That works okay most times.  But what if you're out in the sticks and the nearest station is an hour (or more) away?

 

My other concern with the "no spare" trend is that, even if you buy a spare, there's no accommodation for it without taking up a lot of space in the vehicle or spending even more money for one of those nifty tailgate mounts.  (Or did they include that spare tire hanger under the rear bumper like my older Toyotas, and just leave off the spare itself?)

 

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That works okay most times.  But what if you're out in the sticks and the nearest station is an hour (or more) away?

 

 

 

 

I don't do sticks.

It's all a money saving exercise..befor you got a spare wheel matching the other 4, then Renault introduced emergency wheels and now you get nowt...$70 a pop on 3 million units, you can sew why

6 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

19 minutes ago, impulse said:

That works okay most times.  But what if you're out in the sticks and the nearest station is an hour (or more) away?

I don't do sticks.

 

 Hell, I didn't fire up the old pickup unless I was doing sticks.  Around Bangkok, it was less than useless with all the public transport options.  I only fired it up when I wanted to get outta town for a few days.

 

 

I remember a Tom Peters presentation years ago describing how he went to buy a Ford (I think).

 

He said the customer care was atrocious......on top of that there was no spare wheel for the car he had chosen.

 

He said he wanted one......cost extra, okay I'll pay.....went to pick the car up......the whole tailgate was taken up by the spare tyre.

 

He said this is ridiculous.....the salesperson said well you need an A frame to go on the tailgate to mount the spare wheel.

 

Guess what?.........he had to pay to have it fitted......BUT they didn't have any in stock and it would be another two weeks.

 

He went and bought a Japanese car.

37 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I just bought a Toyota Yaris Cross from a dealer and was suprised to find no spare wheel.  The dealer said, I want one, I have to buy one!

 

Is this normal?  She also said, "don't worry", if you get a flat tyre, just call the Toyota SOS and they'll come and fit a new one.

 

Yeah, all new BYds come without a spare wheel.

However they got a repair kit. Probably/hopefully you'll make it to a repair shop.

I saw most newer cars no longer having a spare wheel, however they would have a repair kit that is supposed to get you to the garage to get it replaced, I think it was said it's 50 or 100 km range expected... it's some black goo and a hand pump in that kit last I saw it just before COVID in Europe. So this is not new, spare wheels were already being removed 5+ years ago. To save space, but mostly, to save money to car manufacturers.

53 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I just bought a Toyota Yaris Cross from a dealer and was suprised to find no spare wheel.

That’s just plain ridiculous. Why didn’t you fully evaluate and research the vehicle before making a purchase? 
 

 

54 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

The dealer said, I want one, I have to buy one!

You should have had it thrown in at their cost before agreeing to the purchase, if not then walk.

56 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Is this normal?

It’s beginning to be the new normal, user unfriendly manufacturers.

58 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

"don't worry", if you get a flat tyre, just call the Toyota SOS and they'll come and fit a new one.

The hell with that nonsense!

22 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

I remember a Tom Peters presentation years ago describing how he went to buy a Ford (I think).

 

He said the customer care was atrocious......on top of that there was no spare wheel for the car he had chosen.

 

He said he wanted one......cost extra, okay I'll pay.....went to pick the car up......the whole tailgate was taken up by the spare tyre.

 

He said this is ridiculous.....the salesperson said well you need an A frame to go on the tailgate to mount the spare wheel.

 

Guess what?.........he had to pay to have it fitted......BUT they didn't have any in stock and it would be another two weeks.

 

He went and bought a Japanese car.

Do you carry a spare 2.2L engine for your cx5 by any chance?

55 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That works okay most times.  But what if you're out in the sticks and the nearest station is an hour (or more) away?

 

My other concern with the "no spare" trend is that, even if you buy a spare, there's no accommodation for it without taking up a lot of space in the vehicle or spending even more money for one of those nifty tailgate mounts.  (Or did they include that spare tire hanger under the rear bumper like my older Toyotas, and just leave off the spare itself?)

 

The spare tire well is still there .... for now.   Our MG ZS (2020 ICEV) didn't come with a spare, so we bought one, real wheel (rime & tire) and only cost 1k more than the donut version.  Long run, if needed, saves money when to replace tires, and only needing 3.

 

Never needed it, and still have it, as sold the ICE version, and kept the tire 😎

 

MG came with a 'fix it' spray can that adapts to the plug in (cig lighter) air inflator that also came as a 'repair kit', but not an actually 'plugging' repair kit.

 

Forget if ICE version had the same Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) as the EV, that displays the tire pressure of each tire.  So nice early warning if happen to pick up a nail or whatever, and find a tire shop before going flat.

This has been the case for many years now.  

First it was 'space saver' spare tyres - to get you out of trouble - but speed limited and only recommended for short term use.

Now many manufacturers only provide a puncture repair kit - I have been fortunate to never have needed one of these.

My Ford has a full size spare, but it is a steel wheel, rather than an alloy - so again - this is a cost saving exercise.

If you predominately drive in urban areas, it is not a huge issue, however in rural areas a proper spare tyre is a must IMHO.

 

Toyota give you a pump and sealant kit that has about a 50/50 chance of temporarily fixing a flat, mainly if it’s just a small puncture.
 

The easy option is Toyota SOS.

The difficult option is carrying a spare:

• Toyota’s Spare Tire Collection Kit (PS248-BY002) holds a 195/65 R16 space-saver under the boot floor, but the wheel and tools aren’t included.

• A full-size 215/60 R17 is the correct match, but it won’t fit the tray and takes up boot space.

• Third-party space-saver kits if you can find one usually include wheel, tyre, jack, and tools.

Only a spare lets you drive off straight away.

https://www.toyota.co.th/accessories/product/detail/5924?

My Jazz is 19 years old and came with a full alloy spare, that lives in the boot.

Oh the good ol' days!

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

He went and bought a Japanese car.

 

That's a nice parable, but it really doesn't ring true.  Because of the political strength of car dealerships, they've wedged themselves between the manufacturers and the end user in the USA.  Japanese cars, too.  If you find a good dealer, it's all good.  Whether that's a Ford dealer or a Toyota dealer.  They are independent of the manufacturer.  By law in many (most?) states.  And some of them are notorious for getting the last dime they can on every transaction.  They send their salesmen to classes to learn how to rip off customers and still keep a straight face. 

 

You may recall that's a fight that TESLA had when they tried (and mostly succeeded) selling direct to the public, instead of through dealers.

 

Just for giggles, I got on EBay.uk and found the price of a Yaris Cross spare kit (with jack and wrench) for 59 GBP 2nd hand and 110-150 GBP new.  Doesn't seem too prohibitive.  At least in the UK.

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

Just for giggles, I got on EBay.uk and found the price of a Yaris Cross spare kit (with jack and wrench) for 59 GBP 2nd hand and 110-150 GBP new.  Doesn't seem too prohibitive.  At least in the UK.

MG ZS (ICEV) donut tire was ~6500 THB, vs full size tire & rim for ~7500, from MG dealler.

Just pack a repair kit and a compressor in the car. Can easily repair with the tire on the vehicle if you can spot the leak, done in a couple minutes, then inflate, much easier than taking the tire on and off…

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12 minutes ago, novacova said:

Just pack a repair kit and a compressor in the car. Can easily repair with the tire on the vehicle if you can spot the leak, done in a couple minutes, then inflate, much easier than taking the tire on and off…

At night, on a busy road in the pouring rain, that would be fun.

5 minutes ago, giddyup said:

At night, on a busy road in the pouring rain, that would be fun.

At least it’s warm pleasant rain.

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I don't do sticks.

Then you are missing quite a lot.🙃🙃

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

That works okay most times.  But what if you're out in the sticks and the nearest station is an hour (or more) away?

 

My other concern with the "no spare" trend is that, even if you buy a spare, there's no accommodation for it without taking up a lot of space in the vehicle or spending even more money for one of those nifty tailgate mounts.  (Or did they include that spare tire hanger under the rear bumper like my older Toyotas, and just leave off the spare itself?)

 

Most incidents with tires today, you can fix with a plug plug set with co2 cartridges and glue, considering you do follow recommended change of tires by usage and age. 

 

 

23 minutes ago, novacova said:

Just pack a repair kit and a compressor in the car. Can easily repair with the tire on the vehicle if you can spot the leak, done in a couple minutes, then inflate, much easier than taking the tire on and off…

There you go, yes, best solution for flat tires today 

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I just bought a Toyota Yaris Cross from a dealer and was suprised to find no spare wheel.  The dealer said, I want one, I have to buy one!

 

Is this normal?  She also said, "don't worry", if you get a flat tyre, just call the Toyota SOS and they'll come and fit a new one.

 

 

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

sound advice... I too call roadside assist instead of getting my hands dirty.

Did this when my MG 5 had a blowout early one Sunday morning recently 6.30am....tyre completely shreaded called MG and a tow truck turned up 1 hour later.....Highway 4 Cha Aam district....only tyre place open was BQik at 8.30 and they were busy,left at 11.00am with new tyre fitted....mag wheel rim undamaged fortunately...so 4 and a half hours delay....bought a new mag wheel and tyre...no spacesaver wheel available....6,500 baht but at least I now have peace of mind if I get a similar problem again

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Most incidents with tires today, you can fix with a plug plug set with co2 cartridges and glue, considering you do follow recommended change of tires by usage and age. 

 

 

B/S...my tyre had done 30k and was 2 years old....completely shreaded no kit would ever repair that.

4 minutes ago, petermik said:

B/S...my tyre had done 30k and was 2 years old....completely shreaded no kit would ever repair that.

It's unusual for a tyre to completely shred, what were the circumstances?

7 minutes ago, petermik said:

B/S...my tyre had done 30k and was 2 years old....completely shreaded no kit would ever repair that.

Well done, 

 

I said most, but you manage to use your own specific experience to call it out as bs! Well done 

 

 

Just now, Lacessit said:

It's unusual for a tyre to completely shred, what were the circumstances?

Unknown....driving along 90kms/hour clear 3 lane highway....early morning....and felt a dip in front passenger wheel,quickly got over to the hard shoulder but inside wall of tyre already split away from the outside...tyre pressures checked the previous day ?