39 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Auto pilot is used for a long time on plains already, doesn't really need a pilot.

Not auto pilot. Completely autonomous. Planning's it's own route etc. zero human input

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Automation / robotics will be able to do fruit and vegetable picking.

Plumbers: https://plumbingcircle.com/latest-technologies-in-plumbing/how-are-automated-systems-changing-the-plumbing-industry/

Carpenters: https://thediyfix.com/will-carpenters-be-replaced-by-robots/

HVAC: https://www.acdirect.com/blog/hvac-robotics-automation-efficiency-savings/

Upholstery: https://3laws.io/pages/Robotic_Automation_and_the_Future_of_Reupholstery_and_Furniture_Repair.html

 

It isn't my dream, it will be reality and very quickly too: https://www.startus-insights.com/innovators-guide/future-of-robotics-full-guide/

 

Contruction: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/371905640_Construction_Automation_and_Robotics_for_Concrete_Construction_Case_Studies_on_Research_Development_and_Innovations

Masons: https://3laws.io/pages/Robotic_Automation_and_the_Future_of_Masonry_Contractors.html

 

 

I only looked at your link to Plumbers, In the first paragraph it talks about technology and robotic drain cleaners (those have been around for 20 + yrs too) so have remote cameras for pipe inspection
The article is written by AI. They don't even know the industry has been using sensors and electronics in commercial plumbing for 60+ yrs, easily.  Thats like the 3rd paragraph.

Actually, in reading it, its just a puff piece, theres not a single thing in there thats specific or new info. The entire thing is AI

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

They do that now ...

 

 

 

 

 

Its not done without huge subsidies, that equipment gets rid of the pickers but requires people to maintain and calibrate. They require a LOT of calibration as they're being used.

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Not auto pilot. Completely autonomous. Planning's it's own route etc. zero human input

Seriouse question, you have a link ? I'd enjoy reading about that, I have friends in the industry that all think we're nowhere near being able to do that, 5 yrs at least

On 10/10/2025 at 4:23 PM, Slowhand225 said:

Ya just couldn't have a normal conversation without trying to insult someone when you discover that your wrong.

Every single link you've provided is garbage. Just for you, I went and looked, its BS. Not a single accurate thing in them. The info they provide in ambiguous and/or wrong. Well, I guess they are accurate when you don't know what you're talking about.

What do you know about AI, automation and robotics?

I am an IT Project Manager doing this sort of projects amongst others.

 

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On 10/10/2025 at 4:26 PM, FritsSikkink said:

What do you know about AI, automation and robotics?

I am an IT Project Manager doing this sort of projects amongst others.

 

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More than a little bit, I made a great living, traveling all over America troubleshooting production/manufacturing issues related to machinery. 
In english it means I fixed the things that engineers said would work because the book told them so but the real world had other ideas. 
Now that we have the hecker swinging out of the way, it'd be nice to have a civil conversation.
 

2 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

More than a little bit, I made a great living, traveling all over America troubleshooting production/manufacturing issues related to machinery. 
In english it means I fixed the things that engineers said would work because the book told them so but the real world had other ideas. 
Now that we have the hecker swinging out of the way, it'd be nice to have a civil conversation.
 

What do you know about AI, automation and robotics?

59 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Its not done without huge subsidies, that equipment gets rid of the pickers but requires people to maintain and calibrate. They require a LOT of calibration as they're being used.

 

Why do you think human pickers are so cheap? Because a large part of their cost (health care, education for their children, welfare) are offloaded onto taxpayers.

5 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Why do you think human pickers are so cheap? Because a large part of their cost (health care, education for their children, welfare) are offloaded onto taxpayers.

Which is what, oh thats right. Subsidies. 
Americans need to pay the true cost for things, paying less for food because the employers don't pay a decent wage so the American tax payer does, is a subsidy.
As soon as they hold the criminal employers accountable, that will change

So Pattaya freelancers are safe?

28 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've never posted pictures of myself on any social media.

I don't even use a photo of myself or my real name on Facebook.

I don't even tell my friends or wife my real name!

 

And even if they did discover my real name (Mohammed Aziz) no searches could pin me down, amongst the other 200,000 Brits sharing my real name.

Asking for a friend....

Is there a way to get around the requirement of a real verified pic on Thai friendly 🤔 

I don't know how long much of an impact AI will continue to make but I think the much bigger problem is people. As in way too many people for an ever shrinking job market. Population isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. We've been adding 80 million to the planet every year. This adds up to BILLIONS of more people it's causing HUGE problems that nobody seems to talk about. 

 

Put it this way. 8-10 Billion people on the planet means 95%-99% of all people are screwed. 

1 minute ago, Furioso said:

I don't know how long much of an impact AI will continue to make but I think the much bigger problem is people. As in way too many people for an ever shrinking job market. Population isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. We've been adding 80 million to the planet every year. This adds up to BILLIONS of more people it's causing HUGE problems that nobody seems to talk about. 

 

Put it this way. 8-10 Billion people on the planet means 95%-99% of all people are screwed. 

 

 

Expected to plateau at 10 billion in 2100.......so not all is lost.

Here is an article from the NYT that you may find interesting

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/10/opinion/ai-destruction-technology-future.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sU8.2Ktc.LObeDLJKZ3Wi&smid=url-share

On 10/9/2025 at 12:45 AM, Jingthing said:

This time, it's different.

Previous revolutionary technological advancements disrupted many people but then created even more new jobs and greater overall wealth related to the new technology.

Personally, my career didn't even exist until I was over 30. I couldn't have been involved in it earlier before. My general not technical liberal arts education prepared me to jump in when as soon as the change happened.

That was then. This is now.

AI will be a massive job disrupter (which is a massive understatement) but will other than a small number of AI manager types for the super skilled, the majority of those disrupted will not find that AI leads to new career paths.

I'm sure glad I didn't bother to learn to code! 

 

Just now, swissie said:

For a change, I have read all the posts.The main problem has not ben adressed:

 

Why are the millionaires and the billionaires have become rich and becoming richer? Because "the masses" buy their products/services.

 

The future unemployed masses will receive a "minimum survival government monthly income". Fine. A massive reduction of "buying power". To whom will the millionaires and billionaires sell their products/services? To a population that has been robbed of any "buying power?. Imploding the golden "wealth pyramide" of the minority that holds 80 to 90 percent of all the assets of a country. The "rich" need the "buying power" of the masses. Without it, their self propelling "monetary accumulating machinery" will have to come to an end.

In other words: The rich need the masses to buy their products (buying power): Otherwise, for the poor as well as for the rich it's strictly: GAME OVER!

 

 

The rich will get richer. The poor wil suffer. If you haven't made it yet, doubtful you will. Maybe you can get in on the Bitcoin scam.

23 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Seriouse question, you have a link ? I'd enjoy reading about that, I have friends in the industry that all think we're nowhere near being able to do that, 5 yrs at least

The military is already experimenting with that. The link I'm quoting below highlight recent tests of very complex BVR maneuvers, done entirely by the onboard AI. 

https://www.twz.com/air/gripen-fighter-is-testing-ai-in-long-range-aerial-engagements

3 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

The military is already experimenting with that. The link I'm quoting below highlight recent tests of very complex BVR maneuvers, done entirely by the onboard AI. 

https://www.twz.com/air/gripen-fighter-is-testing-ai-in-long-range-aerial-engagements

Thanks.

So per that article, that a maned flight. What AI did was to engage the enemy (fly the plane once it was in the air) but it gave firing cues to the pilot. It didn't take off or land, the pilot did

Thats still years away from being implemented.

Off topic quarrelsome posts, and parts of posts were removed. Please debate the subject politely, without resorting to petty quarrelling or personal attacks.

 

Members have a right to post anonymously here, so please don't speculate on any member's identity or you will be removed from the conversation. Thank you.

7 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Thanks.

So per that article, that a maned flight. What AI did was to engage the enemy (fly the plane once it was in the air) but it gave firing cues to the pilot. It didn't take off or land, the pilot did

Thats still years away from being implemented.

What the article outlines is what we know. We don't know what we don't know. Military developments are quite rightly kept secret for as long as possible.

I think we will all be surprised how advanced AI is in the military, particularly with aircraft.

 

59 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Thanks.

So per that article, that a maned flight. What AI did was to engage the enemy (fly the plane once it was in the air) but it gave firing cues to the pilot. It didn't take off or land, the pilot did

Thats still years away from being implemented.

Taking off and landing by the auto-pilot has been around for a few years now. All modern aircraft can do that. Problem is that the passengers don't like it, so the airlines still let the pilots do that. Taking off and landing is actually fairly easy. It would probably avoid a lot of accidents, as the AI could scan the weather patterns, and check for other aircraft on the runway.

We need to Logan Run society and stop being such a burden on the youth. 

Ai was though, conceived, developped, implemented and will be in demand for what reason in the first place ?

 

A bit like UBER. Why did it become so popular almost overnight ? 

 

Think about it and you'll understand. 

 

Hint - people all over were fed up in being cheated by the regular taxis. As for Ai, the economy could also be fed up with all the hassles on work related issues. Society is fed up with the lawyers or accountants overcharging. Now with Ai, it will be a piece of cake back on the couch. And so on....

13 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

Taking off and landing by the auto-pilot has been around for a few years now. All modern aircraft can do that. Problem is that the passengers don't like it, so the airlines still let the pilots do that. Taking off and landing is actually fairly easy. It would probably avoid a lot of accidents, as the AI could scan the weather patterns, and check for other aircraft on the runway.

I never said it wasn't.

What I said was, that article was NOT about a fully AI drone. It required a human 

On 10/9/2025 at 12:04 PM, emptypockets said:

Of course it was.

Yes, it was.  Do you really  believe, with the context of my post, that I wasn't aware of the irony in using the platform. 

Are you one of those people who need little side notes to recognise when some forms of humour are utilised?  Is slapstick your main method of mirth?

12 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Yes, it was.  Do you really  believe, with the context of my post, that I wasn't aware of the irony in using the platform. 

Are you one of those people who need little side notes to recognise when some forms of humour are utilised?  Is slapstick your main method of mirth?

Oh dear.

Overall, I have moved from a sceptic to being quite positive, looking at the latest models (ignoring the trite fake photos, videos). AI is achieving astounding improvements in healthcare; everyone on this forum will benefit in the next 5 years from AI assisted treatment, whether that's improved cancer diagnostics, therapeutics. Mammography diagnostics has moved from being right 50% of the time, using humans to check mammograms to 75% correct using AI. AI is achieving reductions in readmission rates; all those little checks after you leave hospital mean something if you are going back downhill, because you were let home too soon.

 

BUT, I am worried about a AI investment bubble, and collapse, similar to thr Dot.com bubble. I've just got back from a conference, in medtech, where the mood was quite downbeat about investment money being sucked from healthcare, and other areas, into "AI", where it is an obvious wildwest about who has developed the best model. Partly this is driven by politicians who have become more risk adverse in some areas (healthcare) they think they know about about (eg the ignorant RFK), but dropping all skepticism about areas they clearly are clueless about (eg, Trump's ridiculous use of the term "Project Stargate" for an AI wheeze).

4 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

I never said it wasn't.

What I said was, that article was NOT about a fully AI drone. It required a human 

The objective of the test was to evaluate combat capabilities of the AI construct. That is the complex item. The pilot was there to observe. It would be easy enough to add take-off and landing routines to the software, but it was not the objective, and a fully autonomous AI fighter platform was mentioned in the article as a future expansion. Complex systems are constructed by testing separate components before integrating everything.