1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

I don't think any woman wants a 50/50 partner, or they'd be paying at the restaurant, what they want is a companion, yes, but like you say, trusted, fulfilling all her needs. But her sexual need, at that age, has to be next to zero, after menopause. We on the other hand never stop wanting sex, and so we need women, which we can get true.

 

So maybe this trend is a blessing for us men, we get set free to live another day with younger more attractive women?

But then you'll have to pay for the younger ones to sleep with you. Older women won't stop giving sex if they're treated well, especially in the listening department. Men alone in their 70's and above don't do very well. 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am afraid connda, that these trends from the West have a nasty habit of creeping into Thailand. We now have feminist buddhist monks here, feminist organizations. Thailand is not immune from this influence.

Do you belong to one...............?   🤔

29 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Being safe in Thailand is being totally independent .  Not counting on another to stay here. Divorce happens worldwide for the same reasons, but if you divorce here, you need to have a retirement visa with enough money to stay, or a dependent visa, which also requires money but less. If you didn't pay 100% for your house, you'll have to split the proceeds if sold, or just rent if you want to stay. You can be the best partner you can be, but if you don't pick a good partner for yourself, there's no guarantees it will last. 

 

The problem is you never know who'll be a good partner. As it says on most fund offering documents "Past performance is no guarantee of future returns", so maybe these tales of guys marrying bar girls and being blissfully happy could be true. I don't know.  But you really only find out after years, if she's a good partner.

39 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Way of the new world now where loyalty, devotion and faithfulness are out of the window and it's a me, me, me and only me now.

 

The only way to get devotion and faithfulness nowadays is to be the very best option a woman could get. And what man wants to do that kind of work? She could throw a stone and hit someone better. 

 

There's very few men who can truly say I'm the best option my woman could get. And I'm not just talking about money. Women don't actually care for money, once a certain minimum is satisfied, whores excepted of course. But no woman ever said "I have to sleep with that guy because he's wearing a Versace shirt, or be because he drives a Mercedes. It just doesn't happen. Women care about fun. And money facilitates fun.

 

So to be the best option for a woman you have to be the most fun guy, or enable her to have the most fun experiences.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

The problem is you never know who'll be a good partner. As it says on most fund offering documents "Past performance is no gurantee of future returns", so maybe these tales of guys marrying bar girls and being blissfully happy could be true. I don't know.  But you really only find out after years, if she's a good partner.

True, but past history is the usual future behavior, as far as the human character. So many individual cases, you'll only know if you pick a partner that mirrors your future plans and desires. Attraction doesn't last forever, unless they're in sync. Some marry their childhood sweethearts and stay together forever. Some date for years, then marry and divorce in a year. Some stay together 40 years miserable. Unrealistic expectations on either side ruins most.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Not sure about that.

My Brit wife announced her divorcing me the same week as I announced my retirement.

She was 50, and I was 52 ....... so your OP was bang on!

She is living alone with some cats now the kids have moved out.

 

I married a Thai lady age 33 a few months after the divorce.

Not a bad move for me and the move to Thailand made up for my loss of assets.

You mentioned last year that she was a bar girl. Is this correct. Why do you not mention it in this post. Please edit and add this information. thanks

45 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

It's different for couples who are actually into each other. Then it's not about 'needing a man', but not ever wanting to lose their best friend and companion.

Whereas the types who really just wanted someone for sex and have only money to offer, it makes sense that the women would want to get away from them and have some freedom to actually experience life.

I see men writing about women only want providers and providers are the real men, Doh!

You can't fix stupid. 

 

Well, JakeC, you have a point there, women don't really care for money. They want fun. And they do want someone attractive, but of course the vast majority of men and women are not attractive, and there's only few of us to go round.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

But I do expect a bit of cleaning, dish washing and laundry ......... and sex.

 

Sex ? With the wife ? Wow that's pretty kinky.

Full disclosure: For most of my life, I have preferred female friendship over male. My current ratio is something like 100:5.

Many girls cannot handle friendships with men and vice versa. They need ownership, possession. 

So I would say that I have more practical experience with women than most. Interesting reading the comments.

I'm not interested in living with other men, so don't spend too much time with them. I'm interested in women, so I get to know them, intimately. 

This forum is good for a laugh, I tell you.

 

 

Yet another reason to rent only, never buy. 

You heard of this data from a barfly in your local? Really?🙃🙃

There's nothing wrong with staying single, especially if you live in Pattaya.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well said, it will be the older, divorced feminist women from the West who will bring this message to Thailand - "Hey it's okay to divorce after 50. You deserve to be happy, is your current relationship really fulfilling you?"

So, you have been telling me in another tread, that a good reason to not be married is the degrading look of women as they grow older, even they are younger, or did I misunderstand you ?

 

My point of being married is to grow bond with your partner no matter what happens you will stay together, and maybe many men have to take a look at themselves and make themselves a better partner, and same goes for women who thinks they will the be the princess for rest of their lives. 

 

Mutual respect and understanding as well both partners working together to succeed. 

 

There is reasons why people got tired of each other, and sometimes obvious reasons

And then there's same-sex marriages where - I gather - male/male relationships tend to be much longer term than female/female relationships.

 

Certainly that's my personal experience where my b/f & I have been (1) wedded in a village Buddhist ceremony in 2013, not recognized by Thai government but the Khmer peasants regard that as irrelevant in any case (2) civil partnered (pre-gay marriage laws) in Canberra in 2015 (3) currently planning to marry under the new Thai laws here in Surin some time in the next 6 months. And at 40 years older than my partner I think I can safely say It's for life.

 

Meantime my former Kiwi wife has been thru multiple girlfriends since we split in 1979 ...

 

 

11 hours ago, TopGun10 said:

Full disclosure: For most of my life, I have preferred female friendship over male. My current ratio is something like 100:5.

Many girls cannot handle friendships with men and vice versa. They need ownership, possession. 

So I would say that I have more practical experience with women than most. Interesting reading the comments.

I'm not interested in living with other men, so don't spend too much time with them. I'm interested in women, so I get to know them, intimately. 

This forum is good for a laugh, I tell you.

 

 

 

So what's your secret to make the girls stick around and not leave you? 

You do the laundry?

Or you make it fun?

 

 

45 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Often in the end it is just them and their cats - who eat them when they die.

 

Who'da thought you were a romantic?

 

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So, you have been telling me in another tread, that a good reason to not be married is the degrading look of women as they grow older, even they are younger, or did I misunderstand you ?

 

My point of being married is to grow bond with your partner no matter what happens you will stay together, and maybe many men have to take a look at themselves and make themselves a better partner, and same goes for women who thinks they will the be the princess for rest of their lives. 

 

Mutual respect and understanding as well both partners working together to succeed. 

 

There is reasons why people got tired of each other, and sometimes obvious reasons

 

I think the older generation has this attitude, once she grows old, and we're together 19 years, she's my "person" and that's it. But it looks like the newer generations will not have this atitude anymore.

 

And this will get much, much worse. If you think about it a whole generation has been raised on FC24, and when you're losing the game, you just quit. And start a new game. For girls, if I'm tired of this guy on Insta, I'll write to this one.

 

Indeed the loyalty and devotion of the past seems to be on the way out.

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

So what's your secret to make the girls stick around and not leave you? 

You do the laundry?

Or you make it fun?

 

 

 

He's very likeable.

13 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

And then there's same-sex marriages where - I gather - male/male relationships tend to be much longer term than female/female relationships.

 

Certainly that's my personal experience where my b/f & I have been (1) wedded in a village Buddhist ceremony in 2013, not recognized by Thai government but the Khmer peasants regard that as irrelevant in any case (2) civil partnered (pre-gay marriage laws) in Canberra in 2015 (3) currently planning to marry under the new Thai laws here in Surin some time in the next 6 months. And at 40 years older than my partner I think I can safely say It's for life.

 

Meantime my former Kiwi wife has been thru multiple girlfriends since we split in 1979 ...

 

 

 

I thought male homosexuals were more promiscuous than anybody else?

@save the frogs If i told you, do you think you will become me? People ask these kinds of questions all the time. How do you make your money? How do you do this? How do you do that? If you have to ask...

 

I can tell you honestly... there was a time in my life when I was afraid to go out. Afraid to talk to women. As I would often find myself in a situation where some woman expected something from me. I found it very hard to say no, as I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. 

For myself, it was completely normal to be friendly and nice. But many women would assume that you wanted something more or because I was nice to them that I wanted to be their boyfriend.

I would dress down. Do everything to not be noticed. I still do that now. Dress scruffily so no one notices me. I still meet women and they still ask for my number. I do not ever ask for a woman's number.

On the other hand there are men and women who only do something because they want something. 

 

I smile to myself when I read people giving advice that you have to dress smartly or you have to pay or...

They have just convinced themselves that is the way it has to work and no one can tell them different.

There's a lot more I can add, but it's a lot more fun reading the comments than writing about myself.

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

I still meet women and they still ask for my number.

 

Of course. You're extremely likeable, Jake.

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I think the older generation has this attitude, once she grows old, and we're together 19 years, she's my "person" and that's it. But it looks like the newer generations will not have this atitude anymore.

 

And this will get much, much worse. If you think about it a whole generation has been raised on FC24, and when you're losing the game, you just quit. And start a new game. For girls, if I'm tired of this guy on Insta, I'll write to this one.

 

Indeed the loyalty and devotion of the past seems to be on the way out.

I will not try to convince anyone I got the answers, I only repeat my experience and my philosophy of being married, and what I think will make me succeed against the odds against us, but future will tell. You will not win the game if you do not believe! Right ? 

 

I think the most important reason for failure, is when you start looking through red flags, and say to yourself, it will be better, things will change if we give it time, and my answer to that, it will maybe, but most likely not. That’s the reason I have dumped many potential gf until I was satisfied by knowing someone for a longer time and only as friends first. 

 

So part of the reason for failure,  is rushing things to quick, which seems to be how it is done in Thailand between foreigners and locals. 

5 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

@save the frogs If i told you, do you think you will become me? People ask these kinds of questions all the time. How do you make your money? How do you do this? How do you do that? If you have to ask...

 

I can tell you honestly... there was a time in my life when I was afraid to go out. Afraid to talk to women. As I would often find myself in a situation where some woman expected something from me. I found it very hard to say no, as I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. 

For myself, it was completely normal to be friendly and nice. But many women would assume that you wanted something more or because I was nice to them that I wanted to be their boyfriend.

I would dress down. Do everything to not be noticed. I still do that now. Dress scruffily so no one notices me. I still meet women and they still ask for my number. I do not ever ask for a woman's number.

On the other hand there are men and women who only do something because they want something. 

 

I smile to myself when I read people giving advice that you have to dress smartly or you have to pay or...

They have just convinced themselves that is the way it has to work and no one can tell them different.

There's a lot more I can add, but it's a lot more fun reading the comments than writing about myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

People do things to make themselves confident, and with structure and discipline you built strenght, and with strenght comes passion, and so on

 

there is no shortcuts, not for success in studies, work or relationships, and certainly not when it comes to mental health or good physics. It all starts with structure, 

We all excel at something.

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I will not try to convince anyone I got the answers, I only repeat my experience and my philosophy of being married, and what I think will make me succeed against the odds against us, but future will tell. You will not win the game if you do not believe! Right ? 

 

I think the most important reason for failure, is when you start looking through red flags, and say to yourself, it will be better, things will change if we give it time, and my answer to that, it will maybe, but most likely not. That’s the reason I have dumped many potential gf until I was satisfied by knowing someone for a longer time and only as friends first. 

 

So part of the reason for failure,  is rushing things to quick, which seems to be how it is done in Thailand between foreigners and locals. 

 

Yes, very much so. It used to be in the old days you meet, maybe have sex, see where it goes. Now, people want to force it early on.

 

 

3 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

We all excel at something.

I excel at not excelling.

But I've had a woman in my bed from age 23-70.

Not always the same woman, and I've never made any attempt to be friendly or nice, but I did always pay for everything.

1 hour ago, TedG said:

I’ve seen this trend with four friends. The wife file for divorce and the guy does not see it coming.  Most ofthese women are not prizes in their 50s.

They just understood they could live longer and healthier without a man, 

 

 women tend to live longer than men, and 

studies indicate single women live longer than single men. This is due to a combination of biological factors and behavioral differences, such as men being more prone to risky behaviors like smoking and drinking. While single women generally outlive single men, marital status and quality of relationship also play a role, with married men typically outliving single men

 

however it is not just straight forward, there is more to it as it should be

 

That review of 18 studies also found that both married men and married women become more and more dissatisfied with their relationship over time. A study of covenant marriages found that women become dissatisfied with their marriages sooner than men do

 

interesting read for those who finds these things interesting 

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201701/is-it-true-single-women-and-married-men-do-best

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I thought male homosexuals were more promiscuous than anybody else?

Early on no doubt. But once they settle down in their 30s or 40s the record suggests it tends to last for the rest of life (and there can be a reasonable level of tolerance - at least early on - for an occasional bit on the side.)

If you don't know about Hoe Math on YouTube, I highly recommend his channel.  For the chuckles.  Not for serious dating advice.

 

Here's his Female Delusion chart comparing how men rate women with how women rate men (and themselves and each other).  Comes from multiple surveys and actual swipe left/right data from dating sites.

 

 

ST= Short term.  LT= Long term.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

It is us, men, who need women, because of sex.

 

Just don't get married .    It is reported that many men say they didn't know their wife

had died until the dishes began to pile up in the kitchen .  They did acknowledge that the sex was still the same though........