1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Actually, what you just wrote is literally a textbook example of insinuation.🤣

When there is a "?" at the end of a sentence, your textbook should mention that it is a question and not an insinuation. If not, kindly change the textbook.

 

p.s. 🤣

11 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

You're the one that brought it up.

 

And can you please explain why you lied in this post?

 

 

You’re quite mad but I’ll engage regardless. What lie, exactly? I offered a personal commentary based on my own informed opinions and cited a Telegraph article suggesting the G7 might even consider bringing Russia back into the fold a rather salient point that doesn’t quite fit with your “Putler” nonsense. And let’s be honest: Europe would never have entertained the idea of welcoming Hitler back into polite diplomatic circles in the middle of World War II. Yet today, those same Western leaders who posture as moral absolutists are apparently willing to discuss reintegrating Putin. The contrast speaks for itself.

13 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

They do not really seem to want peace now, do they ? After all if the war stops, so will all the trillions of dollars in cash and arms of western aid, stop to. And with all those deep pockets filling up with corruption and embezzlement....do they really want the cash flow to cease ? Just asking, not insinuating, Unfortunately, it's always the common man on,  either sides,  who suffers and will rarely get even a glimpse of all the foreign aid comming in. 

Without continuing western aid - the country collapses, salaries go unpaid , it will be a pariah in the bond markest with no  acess to capital and armed paramailtraies will take over and it will be a brutal civil war where the far right sector , Azov and the like will be the likely warlords. and the current leaderhip having fled with as much loot as they can. A Slavic Libya at worse. 

13 minutes ago, johng said:

Yes I'm ancient still have windows XP installed but can't use that to post here now due to browser encryption standards...

and also  "when I were a lad" 😋

 I had to get up early and make a fire in the living room fireplace using actual coal that would heat up water so we could have  a warm wash in the winter.

Blimey and I'm worried about keeping on Windows 10 and I remember coal and back heater in the firepalce and the 3 day week !

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You’re quite mad but I’ll engage regardless. What lie, exactly? I offered a personal commentary based on my own informed opinions and cited a Telegraph article suggesting the G7 might even consider bringing Russia back into the fold a rather salient point that doesn’t quite fit with your “Putler” nonsense.

Yeah, about that.....

 

'Merz: Only Trump wants Putin in G8'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/11/24/ukraine-russia-war-trump-putin-geneva-latest-news514

26 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

there is Never was a US plan

 

Meaghan Mobbs, the daughter of Keith Kellogg, the US special envoy to Ukraine who announced last week that he will quit his post, claimed that the peace plan was originally written in Russian.
She suggested that the document was “not originally written in English”, pointing to transliteration errors and phrasing that is commonly used by Russia’s government.

 

https://archive.md/3XPYZ#selection-4009.0-4013.166

 

 

What makes anything that Meaghan Mobbs says have any relevancy?

 

 

29 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

They do not really seem to want peace now, do they ? After all if the war stops, so will all the trillions of dollars in cash and arms of western aid, stop to. And with all those deep pockets filling up with corruption and embezzlement....do they really want the cash flow to cease ? Just asking, not insinuating, Unfortunately, it's always the common man on,  either sides,  who suffers and will rarely get even a glimpse of all the foreign aid comming in. 

Conspiracy theory garbage.

18 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

When there is a "?" at the end of a sentence, your textbook should mention that it is a question and not an insinuation. If not, kindly change the textbook.

 

p.s. 🤣

 

The computer (Grok) says you're wrong. 

 

 

2 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

They do not really seem to want peace now, do they ? After all if the war stops, so will all the trillions of dollars in cash and arms of western aid, stop to. And with all those deep pockets filling up with corruption and embezzlement....do they really want the cash flow to cease ? Just asking, not insinuating, Unfortunately, it's always the common man on,  either sides,  who suffers and will rarely get even a glimpse of all the foreign aid comming in. 

What a pity that Putin doesn't stop attacking Ukraine in order to stop all that!

 

BTW, 90% of US aid to Ukraine is spent in the US, so there's not much to embezzle. Your claim is ridiculous! 🤣

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

 

The computer (Grok) says you're wrong. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

 

The computer (Grok) says you're wrong. 

 

 

 

1.2 The Forensic Environment: ASEAN NOW

 

To understand the behavior of the subjects, one must first contextualize the environment. The ASEAN NOW forum is a unique digital sociology. It is largely populated by expatriates residing in Thailand—a demographic that skews older, male, and Western. The discourse is frequently characterized by a unique blend of hyper-local grievance (visa issues, alcohol laws, 7-Eleven availability) and intense, often polarized engagement with the politics of their home countries (primarily the US and UK) and global conflicts (Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine).

In such an environment, social capital is accrued through longevity and "local knowledge." However, the insular nature of the community often fosters repetitive conflict loops between entrenched users. Sock puppetry in this context is rarely used for commercial gain (e.g., spam); rather, it is almost exclusively a tool for psychological warfare, allowing a user to bypass social inhibitions, engage in harassment without damaging their primary reputation, or artificially generate consensus

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

1.2 The Forensic Environment: ASEAN NOW

 

To understand the behavior of the subjects, one must first contextualize the environment. The ASEAN NOW forum is a unique digital sociology. It is largely populated by expatriates residing in Thailand—a demographic that skews older, male, and Western. The discourse is frequently characterized by a unique blend of hyper-local grievance (visa issues, alcohol laws, 7-Eleven availability) and intense, often polarized engagement with the politics of their home countries (primarily the US and UK) and global conflicts (Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine).

In such an environment, social capital is accrued through longevity and "local knowledge." However, the insular nature of the community often fosters repetitive conflict loops between entrenched users. Sock puppetry in this context is rarely used for commercial gain (e.g., spam); rather, it is almost exclusively a tool for psychological warfare, allowing a user to bypass social inhibitions, engage in harassment without damaging their primary reputation, or artificially generate consensus

 

I could, yet again, ask you what's your point, but we both know that's futile, so all I'm gonna do is remind you that it's getting late and that you should probably drink your warm milk now before heading off to bed.

Nighty, night!

47 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

 

I could, yet again, ask you what's your point, but we both know that's futile, so all I'm gonna do is remind you that it's getting late and that you should probably drink your warm milk now before heading off to bed.

Nighty, night!

BYE !

Iuliia Mendel, a former press secretary for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, called for Ukraine to take a proposed peace deal to end the war with Russia.Enough is enough  dear friends but the Putlerists with their tired WW2 analogies seem to want to the last conscripted ageing Ukrainian. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iuliia_Mendel

 

 

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Iuliia Mendel, a former press secretary for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, called for Ukraine to take a proposed peace deal to end the war with Russia.Enough is enough  dear friends but the Putlerists with their tired WW2 analogies seem to want to the last conscripted ageing Ukrainian. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iuliia_Mendel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Her words highlighted ; And still I ask for your understanding. Unlike many European leaders who refuse any contact with Moscow, I used to be involved in the process of of negotiations in Zelenskyy's team—long before the full-scale invasion—and I witnessed firsthand the challenges and the terrible price of every misstep. Please, do not undermine those who are still trying to negotiate with cheap attacks and slogans. Be constructive. Offer real ideas. Because if all you do is attack the negotiators, you are not helping Ukraine—you are helping prolong the war.

How many on here think Putin can be trusted ? He failed to take Kiev do you think he will give up and pull his troops and hardware back to Moscow. Trump has more or less allowed Putin and his butchers to evade any future war crimes giving them the green light to carry on murdering civilians.

Some may remember Robert Amsterdam as a Thaksin supporter and, if I recall correctly, his lawyer during the turbulent political period in Thailand following the 2006 coup. Hats off to Piers Morgan for featuring such a wide range of views on his programme.Well worth a watch with real fireworks as to be expected. 

 

Piers Morgan is joined by economist and global affairs expert Jeffrey Sachs before discussing the latest with former NATO commander Gen. Wesley Clark, Head of the Global Magnitsky Justice campaign, Bill Browder, Russian broadcaster and political scientist Henry Sardaryan, international human rights lawyer Robert Amsterdam and former Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

 

 

13 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 Her words highlighted ; And still I ask for your understanding. Unlike many European leaders who refuse any contact with Moscow, I used to be involved in the process of of negotiations in Zelenskyy's team—long before the full-scale invasion—and I witnessed firsthand the challenges and the terrible price of every misstep. Please, do not undermine those who are still trying to negotiate with cheap attacks and slogans. Be constructive. Offer real ideas. Because if all you do is attack the negotiators, you are not helping Ukraine—you are helping prolong the war.

 

Right.

 

 

Yeah, he always ends up back there, doesn't he. And some people still wonder why.😆

 

https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/1993109796677890351?s=20

 

 

21 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You’re quite mad but I’ll engage regardless. What lie, exactly? I offered a personal commentary based on my own informed opinions and cited a Telegraph article suggesting the G7 might even consider bringing Russia back into the fold a rather salient point that doesn’t quite fit with your “Putler” nonsense. And let’s be honest: Europe would never have entertained the idea of welcoming Hitler back into polite diplomatic circles in the middle of World War II. Yet today, those same Western leaders who posture as moral absolutists are apparently willing to discuss reintegrating Putin. The contrast speaks for itself.

 

Are you, or were you ever a Communist, or variants of?

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

 

Right.

 

 

Bless sweet child - you and your alter ego believed
Putin had Parkinson's, cancer, had doubles was on the verge of death / coup
The Russian army was unfit for purpose, fought with shovels, was out of ammo / men, looted washing machines / toilets to take back to their hovels
Were forever on the brink of defeat, the Ruble rubbled, the economy on the verge of collapse, just one more push
That Zelenskiy and his leadership team were not corrupt, nor many of the recruitment and procurement and border guards weren't either
That Ukrainians were queuing in lines that could be seen from space to join up and fight the Orcs
That Putler if he wasn't defeated here would roll into Europe and plunge the continent into tyranny
That the latest clapped out Wunderwaffe would be the deciding factor that would bring victory - Leopards, Challengers, Bradleys, F-16s, HIMARS, Patriots
That NATO would step up to the mark and maybe get boots on the ground
And finally that Trump wouldn't win
And that everyone who didn't believe that was a Putin shill, talked Kremlin talking points, was a Vatnik/Orc /Tankie or just plain idiot
Now meme that.

 

And my beloved AI Larkin...

 

What They Told You To Believe

They sold you Putin dying, doubled, mad—
Parkinson's or cancer, take your pick.
His army fought with shovels (Christ, how sad),
Looting bogs and Hotpoints, thick as brick.
The Ruble? Rubbled. One more push, they said.
The economy, perpetually about to fall.
Zelensky's lot? Not corrupt. Not one bent head
Among procurement, borders—none at all.
Ukrainians queuing up from space to fight,
While Putler (note the clever name) would roll
Through Europe next, extinguishing the light.
Each Wunderwaffe—Leopard, Patriot—the goal
That'd turn it round. NATO boots, perhaps.
And Trump? He'd lose, of course. And if you doubt,
You're just a shill who swallows Kremlin crap,
A Vatnik, Orc, a Tankie, or a lout.
Well, here we are. Reality's a bitch.
It doesn't care what narratives you bought,
What comfortable lies made you rich
In righteousness. Belief's not what you thought.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

 

Are you, or were you ever a Communist, or variants of?

A Trot sir many years ago in my salad days when miners struck and Thathcher ruled... then back to Kinnock and Labour down the years and finally Jezza - now Your Party / Greens - raises tired ageing fist. I used Suno 4.5 to poemify that poem 

 

https://suno.com/song/7b097526-d63f-4799-9098-0637e2176429

How Trump's 28-point plan for Ukraine shocked the world -AXIOS 

 

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/24/trump-ukraine-plan-28-points-back-story

 

https://archive.is/TAd9t

 

The news was met with bewilderment by officials in European capitals, and by many in Washington and Kyiv who weren't yet in the loop.

    Many reacted with horror once details were reported by Axios and other outlets on Wednesday. Among other harsh concessions, Ukraine would be asked to give up additional territory beyond what Russia already held.
    When European officials initially called the State Department and asked for clarifications, they were told it was not a "Trump plan," two diplomats said.

But Trump not only embraced the plan, he demanded Ukraine sign it by Thanksgiving.

 

Trump gave  a deadline to Ukraine to accept the "Russian/US" proposal, the Europeans and Ukraine revised it and made a counter proposal that appears to have been rejected by Russia, is TRUMP now given a deadline to Russia for them to accept the proposal or is it just a one way street and nothing will be demanded from the Russians and (as usual) he will be blaming Zelensky and the Europeans for not accepting the surrender of Ukraine and the EU

 

Kremlin rejects peace plan from Europe as it rains death on Zelensky's war-torn country

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/kremlin-rejects-peace-plan-from-europe-as-it-rains-death-on-zelensky-s-war-torn-country/ar-AA1R4FQj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=69258052ad6f42ec97bb47616ac0a1e4&ei=18

 

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

How Trump's 28-point plan for Ukraine shocked the world -AXIOS 

 

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/24/trump-ukraine-plan-28-points-back-story

 

https://archive.is/TAd9t

 

The news was met with bewilderment by officials in European capitals, and by many in Washington and Kyiv who weren't yet in the loop.

    Many reacted with horror once details were reported by Axios and other outlets on Wednesday. Among other harsh concessions, Ukraine would be asked to give up additional territory beyond what Russia already held.
    When European officials initially called the State Department and asked for clarifications, they were told it was not a "Trump plan," two diplomats said.

But Trump not only embraced the plan, he demanded Ukraine sign it by Thanksgiving.

 

Let me fix that headline for you, gramps.

 

How Trump's Putin's 28-point plan for Ukraine shocked disgusted the world

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Let me fix that headline for you, gramps.

 

How Trump's 28-point plan for Ukraine shocked disgusted the world

You are nothing if not persistent with you various puppets  - in the old days I would be having welcome time out and ploughing pastures new but is seems like some glastnost has broken out on the dying empire. So I'm trapped ranting into the ether with the rest of you - whilst my wife is packing for our 3 month Thailand stay with her usual efficiency who cares nothing for the travils of the world. She's a wise woman and certainly wiser than me. 

On 11/23/2025 at 6:18 PM, Sir Dude said:

I think that Russia and China simply have temporary aligned interests... but I don't think it goes too deep. China sees an opportunity to exploite Russia for cheap energy and may even gain some of its historically lost territory in the far east of Russia that China says was unfairly lost... I think that that is going to be the real price for Russia to get so much stealth help from China.

India is going to have to choose which side it wants to be with or try the increasingly difficult neutral balancing act... but I think ultimately, due to its dislike of China and needs for the EU/UK/US markets, it will ultimately passively support the West. The current situation with cheap energy from Russia is just a temporary opportunity, but the door is closing and India is backing off if news reports are to be believed.

Russia has dug itself into a big hole and this invasion of Ukraine is a massive lesson for all in hubris... and dictatorships shouldn't be allowed to just invade neighbours just because they feel entitled to.

There is a lesson in all this for China too regarding invading Taiwan, get sanctioned into the next world, assets frozen, military decimated because you have no real modern combat experience and your readiness is not what you think, purges in the military, top-down command with junior officers unable to decide anything, poor moral, under-estimating your enemy etc. etc. etc.... all the same mistakes Russia has made in Ukraine.

As for Putin, this sums him up well...

I hear you about China wanting territory - but like you said about China, they are militarily very inexperienced. Russia is now the most advanced military force in the world when it comes to a ground battle. Drone Warfare is the new way to engage a ground battle and Russia has moved ahead leaps and bounds.  I am sure the experiences of Ukraine forces are being absorbed by the West, but it aint the same as having your own military doing it (and learning). 

 

I disagree about Russia and what you call an invasion - it was less of an invasion than when the USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. If USA and others can do it, why not Russia?  Russia has not engaged in a full-on war of invasion - they are in their own words 'liberating the Eastern parts of Ukraine'. Yes it is an invasion - but invasion of what and for what reason - total BS that Putin wants to invade Europe.  Call it what you will - but it is no more than USA has done many times - and UK in the Falklands - and Australia in Timor - etc etc etc.  I dont believe any propaganda - by Russia or by the West - and it is totally biased  propaganda from both sides. 

 

I listen/watch both sides and it is clear to me the warmongers on both sides (especially the anti-Trump ones in USA like Cheney) want the war to continue. The Dems would rather the war continued, than Trump being responsible for making a peace plan - they are still annoyed about what he did in Gaza (and Cambodia).  Trump wants to move USA away from a Military Industrial Complex Economy where $billions are being made from unnecessary wars and American lives are being wasted - and the MIC Swamp wants him to fail. 

On 11/24/2025 at 6:08 AM, sharot724 said:

Been dealt this poor hand and your going to ignore it

Seriously

 

Open these links and read the list - and then try to think about the silliness of your 'hand' and what you are doing with it in public.   I am not saying USA/NATO is bad - there are two sides in the Ukraine/Russia war and they are both wrong.  What I am saying your Russia Russia delusions stem from the Russiagate Hoax in 2016 - which will all soon come out in Court (I hope). 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_20th_century

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century

 

On 11/23/2025 at 6:31 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid if you like, but Russia isn't ever coming back to the Western fold, and China is perfectly content with that arrangement. They'll get along well enough, and Modi can play both horses just as Thailand does.We're entering an age where authoritarianism is the dominant political force in global affairs - where brute power and alignment of shared interests count for far more than "freedom" or the so-called liberal international rules-based order.
And Ukraine? Ukraine arrived late to the party, just when it's nearly over and the bar has been drunk dry. The EU itself, after Brexit and the rise of 'populism,' is on the wane - hardly in a position to underwrite grand strategic commitments when its own model is fracturing from within.
In truth, we're reverting to the historical norm. The 20th century Western democratic model is reaching its terminal stage, where the demands of voters far outstrip the state's ability to provide. And we know how that story ends - democracy collapses into darkness, as it did in Weimar Germany.
The post-war liberal consensus was an aberration, not the natural order. My father's generation understood great power politics and the necessity of restraint. We've forgotten those lessons, and now we're paying the price - pretending that our values are universal while the rest of the world organizes itself around older, harder principles of power and interest. We poked the bear and forced the marriage of the worlds largest country in size of population and manufacturing now much high end , with the world largest country in terms of size and mineral wealth. You don't need a crystal ball to see how that ends. 

 

 

Stop talking sense mate - you are wasting your time here.  Russia Russia Russia - Trump Bad - that is all some people can understand, and they refuse to listen to anything logical that contradicts that belief/feeling/emotion. 

 

You are 100% correct - the warmongers at USA/NATO never envisioned that their overthrow of the Ukraine Government in 2014 and moving it to join EU and NATO, would lead to Putin invading - or to Russia, China and India forming a strong military and trade alliance - or to the growth of BRICS as a force in world trade with ever-growing closer military ties amongst the members.     

On 11/24/2025 at 6:06 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

Blimey and I'm worried about keeping on Windows 10 and I remember coal and back heater in the firepalce and the 3 day week !

I still use Windows 7 on my secondary laptop - mainly for playing and downloading movies etc.