4 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Agree 100% - Passing Laws taking away rights to guns and expecting that to stop shootings, is like passing Laws to ban murder, robbery, theft, drugs etc. and expecting that to solve the problem.   I bet the shooter was not a member of NRA or any other shooting club - they never are - they are mentally damaged people.  The problem is not good sensible people getting guns, it is that people who are mentally unstable and violent and criminals can get guns. If the lefties really want to reduce the shootings, then they need to stop trying to repeal the second amendment for all citizens, and rather than that approach - attempt to change the laws about the type of people that can get guns. But instead they just use the shootings as a political issue to fire up their voter base - and blame Trump and GOP of course - same old same old - divisive hateful politics.  

Its very easy to kill someone with a gun. Compare it to a knifing or battering to death, the gun is just too easy, too impersonal. More guns is directly equal to more murders. OBVIOUSLY !!! beyond RETARDED gun laws. Just because the NRA have so much power in US and make it impossible for the politicians to act. RETARDED...-

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

I owned 16 firearms (after shrinking my collection), and they never harmed anyone.

 

Same with the 10s of millions of firearms in the hands of 10's of millions of legal owners of, and everyday, they don't seem to harm anyone.

 

Go figure ... 

Too easy to kill with a gun compared to other weapons. More guns = more killing ....Go figure

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

I owned 16 firearms (after shrinking my collection), and they never harmed anyone.

 

Same with the 10s of millions of firearms in the hands of 10's of millions of legal owners of, and everyday, they don't seem to harm anyone.

 

Go figure ... 

It doesn't matter if there are a billion firearms that don't harm anyone, you still have hundreds of mass shootings each and every year because firearms are widely available. That's the only stat that matters. 

12 minutes ago, Usnh said:

The vast percentage of gun massacres in the US are carried out by right wingers. Please fact check me on this. What dumbass gun laws, beyond retarded. 

Fact check.

 

Please tell me which of the cities in the list below are democrat run and which are republican run.

 

https://www.rit.edu/liberalarts/sites/rit.edu.liberalarts/files/docs/CPSI Working Papers/2025-02_CPSI Working Paper_US City Homicide Stats.pdf
 

 

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

It doesn't matter if there are a billion firearms that don't harm anyone, you still have hundreds of mass shootings each and every year because firearms are widely available. That's the only stat that matters. 

 

how about take the guns away from the people that use them to kill? There's no correlation between gun ownership and state this is ALL about race.

 

1 hour ago, Usnh said:

The vast percentage of gun massacres in the US are carried out by right wingers. Please fact check me on this. What dumbass gun laws, beyond retarded. 

A large share of mass shootings in the U.S. are not ideologically motivated — many stem from personal grievances, domestic disputes, mental-health crises, criminal activity, gang violence, or random acts. 

 

https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/14176-the-news-media-s-framing-of-mass-shootings-gun-access-mental-illness-violent-entertainment-and-terrorism/attachment/38859.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

A study that reviewed mass shootings from 2000–2016 found that only about 20% were ideologically or “terrorism-type” events, with the rest driven by non-ideological motives such as personal conflict, mental illness, or other grievances. 

 

Thus, most mass shootings overall — understood broadly — are not committed by extremist ideologically motivated attackers.

 

 

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

It doesn't matter if there are a billion firearms that don't harm anyone, you still have hundreds of mass shootings each and every year because firearms are widely available. That's the only stat that matters. 

 

USA is far from the most dangerous country with firearms.  Stats per capita are a bit more telling.

 

And what do all these countries have in common, with few exceptions, if any ...

... all in the Americas, where the cartels are, go figure

... cartel control neighborhoods

... drugs

... turf war

... 'illegal' firearms owned by criminals

 

As always, people are the problem, not firearms

 

Better info from wiki, instead of MSM

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates

8 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

how about take the guns away from the people that use them to kill? There's no correlation between gun ownership and state this is ALL about race.

 

Most mass shootings are carried out by white people.

America is by far the world capital of mass shootings so Trump is right when he says America is number one. America seem to adore their violence and their blood, and they come up with a hundred reasons to justify having more weapons per capita than any nation in the history of mankind.

 

It's a very sick, very twisted rationale, but a lot of people buy into the whole second amendment we need to be prepared as a militia nonsense. 

10 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

USA is far from the most dangerous country with firearms.  Stats per capita are a bit more telling.

 

And what do all these countries have in common, with few exceptions, if any ...

... all in the Americas, where the cartels are, go figure

... cartel control neighborhoods

... drugs

... turf war

... 'illegal' firearms owned by criminals

 

As always, people are the problem, not firearms

 

Better info from wiki, instead of MSM

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates

 

Granted getting to top spot looks too big a leap at the moment, but with a bit more effort from US gun owners I'm sure that the US can start to climb the table quickly: 18th position is there for the taking🤦

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Granted getting to top spot looks too big a leap at the moment, but with a bit more effort from US gun owners I'm sure that the US can start to climb the table quickly: 18th position is there for the taking🤦

 

I think a much quicker way to the top slot is to compare apples with apples....this is for developed western nations.

What a terrible incident. 

 

As for the gun debate, I think it was The GLC who said "Guns don't kill people, rappers do".

 

Early reports suggest that may have been the case here.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

I think a much quicker way to the top slot is to compare apples with apples....this is for developed western nations.

 

Not exactly apples to apples  ... not much in common.  With exception of CA, being in the Americas, and way higher than the rest.  Go figure, just think if CA had tropical temps 

 

... cartel control neighborhood ?

... gang bangers, drug turf wars ?

... established open border access yet to be closed.  How many tunnels under the border are still open ?

 

Probably just a coincidence.  Let AI do some thinking for you ...

 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

America is by far the world capital of mass shootings so Trump is right when he says America is number one. America seem to adore their violence and their blood, and they come up with a hundred reasons to justify having more weapons per capita than any nation in the history of mankind.

 

It's a very sick, very twisted rationale, but a lot of people buy into the whole second amendment we need to be prepared as a militia nonsense. 

Add to that total the number of annual "unintentional" gun deaths with an average of around 140 children.

A BBC report so expect the ethnicity and status of the shooter to be concealed unless, of course, it was a white male in which case the MSM would provide a full description.

 

42 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

I think a much quicker way to the top slot is to compare apples with apples....this is for developed western nations.

 

Ah but the US is competing on the world stage.

 

Jokes aside, it's the same old thing when it comes to the gun debate. Those in favour of gun ownership fall back on the argument that, 'it is not the gun that kills', suggesting that the gun is a cognitive entity which plays a reluctant role in unlawful killings.

12 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

It doesn't matter if there are a billion firearms that don't harm anyone, you still have hundreds of mass shootings each and every year because firearms are widely available. That's the only stat that matters. 

Untreated mental health issues are another one.

34 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

A BBC report so expect the ethnicity and status of the shooter to be concealed unless, of course, it was a white male in which case the MSM would provide a full description.

 

In the meantime can we just assume it was a transgender immigrant?

12 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

USA is far from the most dangerous country with firearms.  Stats per capita are a bit more telling.

 

And what do all these countries have in common, with few exceptions, if any ...

... all in the Americas, where the cartels are, go figure

... cartel control neighborhoods

... drugs

... turf war

... 'illegal' firearms owned by criminals

 

As always, people are the problem, not firearms

 

Better info from wiki, instead of MSM

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates

You're not going to compare the US with developping countries or emerging economies, are you? 

 

From your table, it can be deduced that the US ranks first among developped countries!

13 hours ago, Airalee said:

Fact check.

 

Please tell me which of the cities in the list below are democrat run and which are republican run.

 

https://www.rit.edu/liberalarts/sites/rit.edu.liberalarts/files/docs/CPSI Working Papers/2025-02_CPSI Working Paper_US City Homicide Stats.pdf
 

 

There are more crimes in large cities and large cities tend to vote Dems. Next!

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

Ah but the US is competing on the world stage.

 

Jokes aside, it's the same old thing when it comes to the gun debate. Those in favour of gun ownership fall back on the argument that, 'it is not the gun that kills', suggesting that the gun is a cognitive entity which plays a reluctant role in unlawful killings.

 

I read that Americans have a saying something along the lines of.........

 

If guns are not the problem, but people are the problem......why give guns to the problem.

USA firearm homicides are 60 times higher per 100,000 people than in the UK, which has very strict gun laws. The answer is obvious, get rid of guns.

 

Not going to happen straight away, too many love their guns. But it would make a big difference if only single shot weapons were allowed, still a deterrence, but mass shootings become much harder, All automatic and semi-automatic weapons should be banned.

22 hours ago, KhunLA said:

... "California has some of the strictest laws on firearms in the US" ...

 

Obviously more laws to keep guns out of law abiding people are needed ... 

 

Any bets it's gang and or drug related ?  Oh well ... 

... I'd give the customary R I P, but why bother, as there will never be peace, just another payback shooting next week, at a guess.

 

Family structure, and respect for life simply doesn't exist is some 'sub-cultures'.  

 

Note to self:   scratch Stockton & California off the holiday plan in the future.

In most cases it’s never legally owned guns that are used to commit these type of shootings because they don’t want the guns traced to them . Taking guns away from citizens will mean two things, they’re not capable of defending themselves anymore against shooters and a flourishing black market will pop up. . Just because you ban guns doesn’t mean they will disappear and no one will get shot anymore. That’s a utopian pipe dream. 
 

The problem is that a lot of the guns get into the hands of perps during burglaries because people just have them laying around in the house or in the car where they’re accessible, It should be mandatory to have proper gun safes and for guns to have to be stored in one when you leave the house and can’t take the guns with you. 

Easy solution. No guns no shooting less deaths by guns like Japan. 

Many of the posters are saying its not the gun at fault but the people using the gun but how about if there was no guns then surely the number would go down.

Japan has to be one of the safest places i think this guy might have shot himself?

Japan: 0.16 per 100,000 population 
 

22 hours ago, transam said:

I tend to agree, I had guns in the UK, to me, they were just as dangerous as a car in the wrong hands...🤫

You used to be able to have a gun at a knife fight. That's where Britain lost the plot.

Trying to take your country back will now be a lot slower, if it ever happens.

3 minutes ago, Ubonian Canadian said:

You used to be able to have a gun at a knife fight. That's where Britain lost the plot.

Trying to take your country back will now be a lot slower, if it ever happens.

Nothing to do with me now.................

6 hours ago, candide said:

There are more crimes in large cities and large cities tend to vote Dems. Next!

This shooting has zero to do with politics. Stockton has always had a bad reputation going back to the 60's. This shooting had to do with Stockton rappers. Dollars to donuts the shooter is Black.

On 11/30/2025 at 4:41 PM, riclag said:

Soon the left's narrative will dwindle about taking our rights to guns away.Especially when it comes to enforcing existing guns laws.

 

Give  Federal Enforcement a chance to clean up them Dem controlled crime infested communities 

 

So you are at war with everyone whose ideology is different from yours? What does that make you then?

10 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Add to that total the number of annual "unintentional" gun deaths with an average of around 140 children.

After reading the entire thread I’m saddened that not one poster has expressed condolences to the obiously bereft family’s affected by this horrific event,let me be the first.I personally have a lifelong friend who as a kid accidentally killed his brother playing with his dads gun he’s still haunted by this….do you blame him?personally in my view (I own guns I just don’t wear it on my sleeve) we need STRONGER background checks mandatory training license registration requirements to try to get a handle on this wanton violence.the police need the tools (laws) that allows them to confiscate firearms from dangerous people no more no less.obviously with the proliferation of firearms in our society we need to amend the 2ond amendment to make it safer to own guns.