On Faking Mankind's Greatest Accomplishment

Source: https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/interview-with-bart-sibrel

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Bart Sibrel has spent over thirty years working to expose the Apollo moon landings as a hoax. A filmmaker by trade, he understands how images are constructed — how lighting, backdrops, and camera angles can make fake scenes look real. That professional eye is central to his analysis. His documentaries, including A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, present classified footage showing the astronauts faking part of the mission. His book Moon Man documents eyewitness testimony, suspicious deaths, and the technical impossibilities that make the official story untenable.

His journey began at age fourteen, when he saw Bill Kaysing — a former NASA contractor with high-level security clearance — appear on Oprah and explain that the moon landings were fabricated. Until that moment, Sibrel had been a true believer. His father, an Air Force officer, had received a VIP package of commemorative Apollo photographs, and Sibrel had mounted them on his wall like a shrine, looking at them thousands of times over a decade. After seeing Kaysing, he went back to those photographs with different eyes. What he noticed — soil changing color and focus, shadows that didn’t behave like sunlight — set him on a path he has never left. He has paid a real price for this work, personally and professionally.

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The timing is relevant. NASA’s Artemis program, meant to return astronauts to the moon, has faced repeated delays. Elon Musk has acknowledged that reaching the moon today would require thirty times the fuel of the original Apollo missions. A new generation is encountering this material through documentaries like Massimo Mazzucco’s American Moon. Whatever you believe about what happened in 1969, the questions Sibrel raises — about institutional deception, national mythology, and the price of truth-telling — are worth sitting with.

You can read the transcript of the full interview with Bart Sibrel here > https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/interview-with-bart-sibrel

Is there nothing your gullible little mind isn't a sucker for?

5 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Is there nothing your gullible little mind isn't a sucker for?

The truth!

6 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Is there nothing your gullible little mind isn't a sucker for?

Are you talking about Americans?

Anti-vaxxers... Covid conspiracists... Moon-landing deniers... Flat-earthers.... Chemtrails...

Different costumes, same troupe.

They present themselves as brave iconoclasts, lone wolves howling truth into the void. In reality, they are astonishingly predictable. If a view is held by scientists, doctors, engineers, historians, or anyone who has spent more than five minutes studying the subject, they reflexively reject it. Not because they have counter-evidence - but because it is official.

The defining feature is not scepticism. It is contrarianism. Not independent thought, but oppositional identity.

If vaccines are recommended by every serious medical body on the planet, then vaccines must be poison.
If Covid killed millions, then it must have been “just the flu” - or a hoax - or a rehearsal for global mind control.
If the Moon landing is documented by telemetry, physics, photographs, mirrors still used for laser ranging, and the testimony of thousands of engineers… then obviously it was filmed in a shed by Stanley Kubrick.
If the Earth is demonstrably round, measurable, navigable, and observable from multiple independent systems, then clearly it is flat - because NASA exists and therefore lies about everything.

The pattern is painfully consistent.

Mainstream media says A - therefore A is false. Experts agree on B - therefore B is propaganda.

Consensus emerges after decades of evidence - therefore it’s a psy-op.

Notice what never happens: they never produce a better explanatory model. They do not replace germ theory with something more predictive. They do not replace orbital mechanics with equations that work. They do not improve epidemiology, astronomy, or physics. They simply sneer at them from the sidelines and declare victory.

This isn’t free thinking. Free thinking requires work. Reading. Maths. Method. The ability to say “I might be wrong”.... What we are seeing instead in threads such as this is epistemic vandalism - the tearing down of knowledge without the capacity or intention to build anything in its place.

Even better, these movements feed on each other. Fall for one, and the rest come bundled free. Anti-vaxxers drift effortlessly into Covid conspiracies, then into 5G paranoia, then into global cabals, then into “nothing is real unless I discovered it on a Telegram channel with a wolf avatar”. The worldview must remain internally hostile to authority at all costs, otherwise the entire self-image collapses.

And that’s the crux of it.

This is not about truth. It is about identity. Being “awake”. Being special. Being one of the few clever enough to see through the grand illusion that somehow fooled every airline pilot, civil engineer, virologist, and satellite system on Earth - but not Dave on YouTube.

What masquerades as radical scepticism is far closer to a psychological tic: an automatic rejection reflex. A kind of intellectual Tourette’s, where “they’re lying” bursts out regardless of context, evidence, or coherence.

At some point, this stops being an alternative viewpoint and starts looking like a shared cognitive pathology. Not dissent, but dysfunction. Not courage, but confusion. Not free thought, but a fear of reality so profound that fantasy feels safer.

In short: if everything official is fake, nothing true is knowable - and that isn’t enlightenment. It’s stupidity.

53 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Anti-vaxxers... Covid conspiracists... Moon-landing deniers... Flat-earthers.... Chemtrails...

Different costumes, same troupe.

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Very nice summary!

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

On Faking Mankind's Greatest Accomplishment

Source: https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/interview-with-bart-sibrel

= = =

Bart Sibrel has spent over thirty years working to expose the Apollo moon landings as a hoax. A filmmaker by trade, he understands how images are constructed — how lighting, backdrops, and camera angles can make fake scenes look real. That professional eye is central to his analysis. His documentaries, including A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, present classified footage showing the astronauts faking part of the mission. His book Moon Man documents eyewitness testimony, suspicious deaths, and the technical impossibilities that make the official story untenable.

His journey began at age fourteen, when he saw Bill Kaysing — a former NASA contractor with high-level security clearance — appear on Oprah and explain that the moon landings were fabricated. Until that moment, Sibrel had been a true believer. His father, an Air Force officer, had received a VIP package of commemorative Apollo photographs, and Sibrel had mounted them on his wall like a shrine, looking at them thousands of times over a decade. After seeing Kaysing, he went back to those photographs with different eyes. What he noticed — soil changing color and focus, shadows that didn’t behave like sunlight — set him on a path he has never left. He has paid a real price for this work, personally and professionally.

...

The timing is relevant. NASA’s Artemis program, meant to return astronauts to the moon, has faced repeated delays. Elon Musk has acknowledged that reaching the moon today would require thirty times the fuel of the original Apollo missions. A new generation is encountering this material through documentaries like Massimo Mazzucco’s American Moon. Whatever you believe about what happened in 1969, the questions Sibrel raises — about institutional deception, national mythology, and the price of truth-telling — are worth sitting with.

You can read the transcript of the full interview with Bart Sibrel here > https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/interview-with-bart-sibrel

Why do people still believe the nonsense?

I quite like the passage when he says about Armstrong obviously not wanting to be at the interview with the other two astronauts. He asks the professor; 'If Armstrong had said in the interview, that it was all fake. People were so indoctrinated that they wouldn't have believed him'.

I try to keep up with the 'Space News'. Evidently, the US is gonna do a 'round the moon' mission within the next couple of years. Won't that be something?!

This is classic.

Gets in Buzz Aldrin's face and gets punched.

Mods, have you considered renaming this forum to "the flat earthers" forum?

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

This is classic.

Gets in Buzz Aldrin's face and gets punched.

Getting punched by a 95 year old LOL

14 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

This is classic.

Gets in Buzz Aldrin's face and gets punched.

Buzz was a big part of the cover up.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Buzz was a big part of the cover up.

I dont know about that, but that's a great name for an astronaut.

BUZZ

41 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I don't know about that, but that's a great name for an astronaut.

BUZZ

I think Edwin Eugene Aldrin Jr, changed his name when that proper space traveler - Buzz Lightyear - hit the scene.

Bart Sibrel is a complete charlaton like Von Daniken and all the flat earthers ,, only gullible uneducated fools with no ability too study the facts believe this moon hoax dribble .. Even USA 's rivals have confirmed many times that the Moon landings actually happened .... but of course morons make up 80% of humanity , thats how you get MAGA and people like trump elected or Starmer in UK .. same type of peole believe in gods too and look what that does to the world LOL

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Why do people still believe the nonsense?

I quite like the passage when he says about Armstrong obviously not wanting to be at the interview with the other two astronauts. He asks the professor; 'If Armstrong had said in the interview, that it was all fake. People were so indoctrinated that they wouldn't have believed him'.

I try to keep up with the 'Space News'. Evidently, the US is gonna do a 'round the moon' mission within the next couple of years. Won't that be something?!

Anti-vaxxer..... Flat-earther.... Moon-landing denier.....

The trifecta... the holy trinity of intellectual failure.... You've ticked the boxes perfectly... 🤣

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Anti-vaxxer..... Flat-earther.... Moon-landing denier.....

The trifecta... the holy trinity of intellectual failure.... You've ticked the boxes perfectly... 🤣

Now hold on there Boss.

I did say, some time ago now, that your points to the earth being spherical were very convincing. So I'm 50/50 on that one.

But I'm anti-vax for sure. And I don't believe any atom bombs were dropped on Japan. As well as the moon landings never happening. As for 9/11 and the London bombings. Too much evidence to say they were inside jobs.

And the one that could have put us on the path to WW3; USS Liberty, was a planned event by LBJ and Israel IMO.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Anti-vaxxers drift effortlessly into Covid conspiracies,

you always try to push this one in with whatever else you blabber on and on about.

you got the covid scam wrong . period. no matter how long you deny it and close your eyes to protect yourself from being wrong.

Just now, rumak said:

you got the covid scam wrong

What scam?

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Now hold on there Boss.

I did say, some time ago now, that your points to the earth being spherical were very convincing. So I'm 50/50 on that one.

But I'm anti-vax for sure. And I don't believe any atom bombs were dropped on Japan. As well as the moon landings never happening. As for 9/11 and the London bombings. Too much evidence to say they were inside jobs.

And the one that could have put us on the path to WW3; USS Liberty, was a planned event by LBJ and Israel IMO.

50/50 on flat Earth” that isn’t exactly intellectual openness - it’s admitting you’re genuinely unsure whether basic geometry, satellite navigation, gravity, time zones, aviation, and centuries of measurement are real or just an elaborate prank. That’s not redemption, it’s disqualification....

Just now, Celsius said:

What scam?

forget it . you too are hopeless , lost in denial

2 minutes ago, rumak said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Anti-vaxxers drift effortlessly into Covid conspiracies,

you always try to push this one in with whatever else you blabber on and on about.

you got the covid scam wrong . period. no matter how long you deny it and close your eyes to protect yourself from being wrong.

So what, precisely, was the alleged Covid “scam”?

A novel zoonotic coronavirus emerged in late 2019, something virology has warned about for decades.

With limited early data, researchers at Imperial College London and elsewhere modelled plausible worst-case scenarios using known parameters: transmission dynamics comparable to influenza and case-fatality ranges informed by earlier coronaviruses such as SARS-CoV-1 and MERS.

The results were alarming - not because anyone wanted them to be, but because early outbreaks showed rapid spread, overwhelmed hospitals, and high uncertainty. Governments reacted cautiously. That was not deception; it was standard public-health risk management under incomplete information.

What came later was undeniably messy. As better data accumulated, it became clear that Covid-19’s infection fatality rate was significantly lower than initial worst-case projections, though still far higher than seasonal influenza and dangerously concentrated among older and vulnerable populations.

At that point, politics intervened. Many governments had already imposed sweeping lockdowns, incurred massive economic damage, and disrupted livelihoods. Publicly admitting that earlier assumptions were too pessimistic would have been politically catastrophic. What followed wasn’t a “scam”, it was institutional defensiveness - narrative control, slow course correction, and, in some cases, policies persisting longer than evidence justified. Wrong? In many respects, yes. Fraudulent? No.

Calling this a “scam” requires ignoring how real decision-making works. Public-health policy is not judged with hindsight and certainty; it is made in real time, with incomplete data, asymmetric risks, and no clean outcomes. Leaders were choosing between potentially catastrophic inaction and certain but reversible economic harm. That trade-off is ugly, but it is not conspiratorial.

Your difficulty - and this is where anti-vaccine thinking reliably fails - is that you view the entire episode exclusively through distorted, anti-official optics. You were never forced to make those decisions, never accountable for hospital capacity, excess mortality, or systemic collapse. You carry none of the burden of responsibility, only the comfort of retrospective clarity. You confuse 20/20 hindsight with superior insight, and complexity with corruption.

That doesn’t make you sceptical - it just makes your conclusions easy, tidy, and wrong.

11 minutes ago, rumak said:

you always try to push this one in with whatever else you blabber on and on about.

Dealing with this separately....

Yes, I do believe there is a 'common shared mindset' amongst those supporting such common conspiracy's such as... Anti-vaxxers, moon-landing deniers and flat-earth...

They seem to share the same mindset because the belief isn’t the point - opposition is.

Its almost as if they define themselves by rejecting authority, consensus and expertise on reflex, mistaking contrarianism for critical thought.

Evidence is held to impossible standards if it comes from “official” sources, while fringe claims are accepted with no scrutiny at all.

Once that switch is flipped, beliefs naturally cluster: if NASA lies, doctors lie; if doctors lie, vaccines are poison; if vaccines are poison, pandemics are fake.

What passes for scepticism is really identity-building - certainty without effort, rebellion without understanding, and belonging without evidence.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

That doesn’t make you sceptical - it just makes your conclusions easy, tidy, and wrong.

more blabber and AI copy . the brightest people figure things out for themselves . you still stick strictly to the prescribed narrative . A sheep who has gone over the cliff , taken some poison into your and your children's body ....... and must live with it . Hopefully your batch was not one of the really bad ones, though i don't have much sympathy for people like you who call the smart ones names . That is what the stupid people always resort to . Go get your booster .

19 minutes ago, rumak said:

forget it . you too are hopeless , lost in denial

No I'm not.

What scam?

7 minutes ago, rumak said:

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

That doesn’t make you sceptical - it just makes your conclusions easy, tidy, and wrong.

more blabber and AI copy . the brightest people figure things out for themselves . you still stick strictly to the prescribed narrative . A sheep who has gone over the cliff , taken some poison into your and your children's body ....... and must live with it . Hopefully your batch was not one of the really bad ones, though i don't have much sympathy for people like you who call the smart ones names . That is what the stupid people always resort to . Go get your booster .

Here’s the part you fundamentally don’t grasp: progress is impossible if every generation insists on “figuring everything out for themselves” from scratch.... Science advances precisely because we provisionally trust the accumulated findings of other scientists, test them, refine them, and build on them....

You want to prove yourself that the earth is not an oblate spheroid - you'll have to go into space to see it for yourself, or trust those who've stepped before you.

If every researcher had to personally re-prove germ theory, orbital mechanics, or molecular biology before moving forward, civilisation would stall permanently. That isn’t independence - it’s paralysis.

What you call “thinking for yourself” would freeze human development at the cave-wall stage. Real intelligence knows when to verify, when to challenge, and when to accept well-supported conclusions so effort can be spent pushing knowledge forward, not endlessly relitigating the basics.

Rejecting all prior expertise isn’t enlightenment - it’s opting out of mental evolution entirely.

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Evidence is held to impossible standards if it comes from “official” sources,

the impossible standards you refer to are actually the wall of bias in your own head which labels any evidence as unworthy . that is why it is useless to even attempt to wake you up. You simply do your childish name calling and refuse the information.

i will post just a tidbit...... which Celcius can sneer at along with thou:

mRNA injections were presented as localized and transient, staying at the injection site and degrading quickly. Yet, Pfizer and Moderna’s own biodistribution data (obtained via FOIA from Japan and the EMA) proved otherwise:

• The lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) containing the mRNA did not stay in the shoulder muscle but accumulated heavily in the liver, spleen, ovaries, bone marrow, and heart.

• This means the spike protein—the immunogenic substance—could be expressed throughout the body, crossing the blood-brain and placental barriers.

• The spike itself is biologically active and pathogenic—it binds to ACE2 receptors and causes endothelial inflammation, clotting, and mitochondrial damage.

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Rejecting all prior expertise isn’t enlightenment - it’s opting out of mental evolution entirely.

look in mirror .....richard !

35 minutes ago, rumak said:

the brightest people figure things out for themselves .

No, the brightest people know that they do not know everything; thus, they rely on the people that are experts in various areas in which they are not themselves experts.

I would certainly prefer to get surgery from a surgeon that learned from surgeons before him rather than a guy that did his own research on the internet and now believes that virus does not exist. I am happy to use my mobile's GPS, invented by many researchers and made possible by satellites that orbit the Earth.

I wonder what flat-earthers belive makes GPS work, and what virus deniers believe makes people sick when other sick people enters the same room. Magic?

37 minutes ago, rumak said:

the impossible standards you refer to are actually the wall of bias in your own head which labels any evidence as unworthy . that is why it is useless to even attempt to wake you up. You simply do your childish name calling and refuse the information.

i will post just a tidbit...... which Celcius can sneer at along with thou:

mRNA injections were presented as localized and transient, staying at the injection site and degrading quickly. Yet, Pfizer and Moderna’s own biodistribution data (obtained via FOIA from Japan and the EMA) proved otherwise:

• The lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) containing the mRNA did not stay in the shoulder muscle but accumulated heavily in the liver, spleen, ovaries, bone marrow, and heart.

• This means the spike protein—the immunogenic substance—could be expressed throughout the body, crossing the blood-brain and placental barriers.

• The spike itself is biologically active and pathogenic—it binds to ACE2 receptors and causes endothelial inflammation, clotting, and mitochondrial damage.

People keep repeating this idea that the vaccines were supposed to stay only in the shoulder and then “Pfizer’s own data proved that was a lie”. That’s not really true. What was actually said is that the mRNA is short-lived and mainly acts near the injection site - not that absolutely none of it ever moves anywhere else.

In real biology, almost nothing is perfectly local. The animal studies people quote do show that some of the lipid particles travel through the body, with most of them ending up in the liver, which is exactly what you’d expect because the liver filters stuff out of the blood.

Claims about “heavy accumulation” in ovaries, heart, bone marrow or brain are exaggerated - the signals there were very small, not anywhere near the main sites.

From there, people make another leap and say this means the spike protein is being produced all over the body, crossing into the brain or the placenta. That part isn’t proven.

Some movement of particles doesn’t automatically mean harmful levels of spike are being made everywhere, and there’s no good human evidence showing routine crossing of those barriers at meaningful levels.

Finally, while the spike protein can cause problems during an actual Covid infection, equating that with the tiny, short-lived amount produced after vaccination isn’t comparing like with like.

Infection involves uncontrolled viral replication; the vaccine doesn’t. So yes, early explanations were simplified, and yes, biology is messy - but turning that into “it was a scam” relies on stretching partial truths way beyond what the data actually support.

But... all of that is for the 'anti-vax' threads - and the argument has been rehashed repeatedly.

Another thing that gets made to sound far scarier than it is is the whole “crossing the blood–brain barrier” line (I know you were specifically talking about mRNA vaccines just)... but you are also anti-vax and that is a common argument...

But, we now have vaccines delivered nasally, right next to the brain, just like breathing in a virus (if you believe Viruses exist !!) and no one sensible is screaming that this automatically means brain damage. “Crossing a barrier” sounds dramatic, but biology isn’t a sealed vault - it’s about amounts, duration, and context.

The same applies to myocarditis: it’s real, but it isn’t unique to vaccines. Many of us have probably had mild, unnoticed myocarditis from flu or other viral infections and never knew it. So throwing around these terms without scale or comparison is more about shock value than honest risk assessment.

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So, back to the topic and point - do you actually believe the Moon landings were faked?

....And while we’re at it (given the anti-vax stance), are we doing flat-Earth too? do you believe the earth is an oblate spheroid ?? or do you question that ?... Chemtrails?

It’s a fair question, because these things rarely appear in isolation.

I suspect there is a common mindset running through all of it (or there seems to be) - a reflexive distrust of anything official, an automatic assumption that institutions lie by default.

It’s less about the specific claim and more about an anti-establishment posture: if governments, scientists or experts say it’s true, the instinct is to reject it.

That pattern is hard to miss... those who are anti-vax, have tendencies towards other conspiracy theories such as contesting the moon-landings occurred.

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

..And while we’re at it (given the anti-vax stance), are we doing flat-Earth too? do you believe the earth is an oblate spheroid ?? or do you question that ?... Chemtrails?

Another stupid question..... because YOU are the one that lumped them all together ! Stop lumping sheet together with the covid "vax" and that will solve the problem you create.

i respond to the topics that i care to address. Not mix and match them so that i can call everyone "anti-establishment"....whatever the hell that means. It does appear that is your go to ad hominem for any discussion that doesn't match your position . You really are so easy to read... like a book without any originality at all .