Four policemen transferred after gambling bust

[Manbing]

Thats the End of the Koh Tao murder enquiry then.

These were the top guys in the force.

[Manbing]

Ok boys take a deep breath, have the offending cops been charged with a crime yet, have they been found guilty of that crime yet. I believe the answer to those are a no. What is it with a few folks that if in Thailand you are guilty until proven innocent especially if you are a cop. Even in the states cops being investigated for a crime or typically off work with pay until the investigation is complete

Having taught magistrates in Thailand, I asked them how the justice system works here.

The idea of innocent until proven guilty is not in play here.

They are of the opinion that the police would not have arrested you unless you had done something wrong (not neccesarily the crime you may be charged with, but something).

So waiting for due process is a ridiculous concept. Its waiting to pay your way out or be sentenced, depending on the charges and publicity generated by the case.

[trainman34014]

They never learn. A bent Copper is the worst kind of offender in society yet they are never punished here. Small wonder then that every Tom Dick and Harry thinks it's ok to scam people or break every law in the book. I don't care who is running the country but until somebody running it has the guts and determination to arrest, charge and prosecute ALL offenders, no matter who they are or who they are connected to, this country will never emerge from the dark ages.

[trogers]

They never learn. A bent Copper is the worst kind of offender in society yet they are never punished here. Small wonder then that every Tom Dick and Harry thinks it's ok to scam people or break every law in the book. I don't care who is running the country but until somebody running it has the guts and determination to arrest, charge and prosecute ALL offenders, no matter who they are or who they are connected to, this country will never emerge from the dark ages.

That is why serious replacement surgery is need in both enforcement and justice systems; the police, the OAG and the courts.

[FangFerang]

"slapped with transfer orders" -- this means "told to set up shop elsewhere"..

300,000 baht was lost, so take your 75,000 baht each and go work somewhere else.

Okay boss! Thanks. That fixes everything.

Edited September 27, 2014 by FangFerang

[lovetotravel]

It's easy to fix all this and just build casinos.

Thais are heading over the border to hand over their hard earned so why not legalise it and build casinos like the ones in Singapore and genting highlands with themes parks golf courses etc.

It will reduce the illegal dens attract more tourists and and the taxes they earn off this can be ploughed back into the economy instead of missing out on one of the biggest money spinners of all time.

The cons of legalized gambling far outweigh the pros.

http://www.tneagleforum.org/LEARN_ABOUT_THE_ISSUES/A_Case_Against_Legalized_Gambling/

This is a pretty good read also:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gamble/procon/kindt.html

Finance minsters in all developed countries have discovered that you cannot stop gambling or drinking so you may as well regulate and tax it, especially the tax it part.

That 's not true. Unless you've had a personal conversation with every finance minister globally??

[oneday]

It's easy to fix all this and just build casinos.

Thais are heading over the border to hand over their hard earned so why not legalise it and build casinos like the ones in Singapore and genting highlands with themes parks golf courses etc.

It will reduce the illegal dens attract more tourists and and the taxes they earn off this can be ploughed back into the economy instead of missing out on one of the biggest money spinners of all time.

Yes, there are numerous good reasons to legalize gambling...it keeps the money in the country, government can collect taxes, reduction in police workforce needed to stop illegal gambling, proper regulation and oversight, etc. However, Thai society is just too stubborn to change, just like many societies when it is something they have fought for years and years.

People will always gamble whether or not it is legal so just legalize it.

[chinostar]

How many inactive post Thailand has? There must more people working at inactive posts than active posts. And we taxpayers pay these inactive posts salaries, basically all law breakers, who have not been prosecuted.

[Lupatria]

After being transferred to inactive posts they have more time for active gambling. Would be interesting to know much this country is spending on inactive posts every month.

[trogers]

How many inactive post Thailand has? There must more people working at inactive posts than active posts. And we taxpayers pay these inactive posts salaries, basically all law breakers, who have not been prosecuted.

Thai medical procedure - cut off a tumor and regraft it somewhere else.

[nonb]

What about the rest of them?

Edited September 27, 2014 by nonb

[Just1Voice]

Transfer to an inactive post means a reduction in "income", which results in frantic, apologetic phone calls to mia noi to explain why their lifestyles might have to be downgraded. "I'm sorry, my love, but that new Benz I promised you is going to have to wait for the time being."

[Gunna]

It's easy to fix all this and just build casinos.

Thais are heading over the border to hand over their hard earned so why not legalise it and build casinos like the ones in Singapore and genting highlands with themes parks golf courses etc.

It will reduce the illegal dens attract more tourists and and the taxes they earn off this can be ploughed back into the economy instead of missing out on one of the biggest money spinners of all time.

next years Headline " Thailand to be new HUB of Casinos "

IMO the reason Thailand doesn't have legal is because of the many influential people who own the 1,000s of existing illegal casinos. Some of these are major operations cover multiple floors and generate millions of baht profit nightly. That is even after paying of local Police and Government officials.My Thai ex worked in one and gamblers even flew in from China and Taiwan. They had a safe the size of a small room stacked ceiling high with money.

There is a whole extra business as well of onsite money lenders, food and alcohol sellers, security guards.

Every taxi driver knows where they are so not too hard to organise raids, but they are always tipped off by corrupt Police.

I suspect only the Army or a Royal decree can change this as anyone else who tries is signing their and their families death warrant.

[jollyhangmon]

No wonder the joke organisation known as The BIB is so corrupt, that don't sack officers , even after a stunt like that.

To serve (their master) and Collect.

... exactly, moreover rogue police should be punished even harder - and i don't mean transfer to 2 inactive posts instead of 1 ...

=> how about: >To Swerve & Collect< ?!

Edited September 27, 2014 by jollyhangmon

[Commerce]

"We will ensure justice to all sides," he said.

I'd sure like to know this means.

[ramrod711]

It's easy to fix all this and just build casinos.

Thais are heading over the border to hand over their hard earned so why not legalise it and build casinos like the ones in Singapore and genting highlands with themes parks golf courses etc.

It will reduce the illegal dens attract more tourists and and the taxes they earn off this can be ploughed back into the economy instead of missing out on one of the biggest money spinners of all time.

Singaporeans are not allowed in the casinos, you must show a passport from another country. I suppose it is that way because they don't want their citizens to lose everything they have, which is definitely what would happen in Thailand.

[Triplebank999]

Transferred not charged with criminal violations, fired, pensions denied, and corruption charges. Transfer - it's a joke.

The joke is that you, and 2 or 3 other Thai police bashers here, consistently refuse to either read the OP properly or acknowledge what it actually says. There is an investigation taking place and while that is happening those that have been accused but not found guilty have been transferred out of their positions.

[Triplebank999]

not sacked?

Not guilty yet.

[Tonawatchee]

No wonder the joke organisation known as The BIB is so corrupt, that don't sack officers , even after a stunt like that.

To serve (their master) and Collect.

The gambling dens at the inactive posts must be alive and well.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Tonawatchee

[aussieinthailand]

Sorry guy's but the BIB don't have the cash, the army has them and half of the cars that were there, it's not that difficult for a proper investigation to find said cars,

But will there be an independent investigation or has the results already been put into place? You have to ask your self If you were going to hand over 310,000 in cash and a bunch of cars to a police man, then wouldn't you want some kind of paperwork? wouldn't that be procedure?

dam I wouldn't hand over a 200 baht speeding fine to police without a receipt...

Edited September 27, 2014 by aussieinthailand

[halloween]

Sorry guy's but the BIB don't have the cash, the army has them and half of the cars that were there, it's not that difficult for a proper investigation to find said cars,

But will there be an independent investigation or has the results already been put into place? You have to ask your self If you were going to hand over 310,000 in cash and a bunch of cars to a police man, then wouldn't you want some kind of paperwork? wouldn't that be procedure?

dam I wouldn't hand over a 200 baht speeding fine to police without a receipt...

Is this BIB version 2 of the event that didn't happen? Sourced from a "rather reliable person" via you and exclusive to TVF?

[Farma]

Transferred not charged with criminal violations, fired, pensions denied, and corruption charges. Transfer - it's a joke.

The joke is that you, and 2 or 3 other Thai police bashers here, consistently refuse to either read the OP properly or acknowledge what it actually says. There is an investigation taking place and while that is happening those that have been accused but not found guilty have been transferred out of their positions.

I personally know 2 govt employees who were charged with corruption and I followed the process from sidelines. As it turned out they were both following a memo issued from a ministerial office and they never received any proceeds of the corruption. The person who issued the memo (and pocketed the backhanders) ended up serving jail time.

The process took slightly over 8 years to finalise. Both were investigated but never transferred to inactive positions. Multiply court hearings then followed over the years with delays and appeals just dragging it all out.

In the end they were cleared of wrongdoing but the stress of waiting for an outcome for so long did take its toll on them and delayed promotion.

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

This being transferred solution is a joke and needs to be stopped. What kind of deterrent is this? These crooks should be made examples of as well as all who follow in their footsteps. At the very least transfer them to the deep south and let them set up gambling dens for the insurgents.

[Strangebrew]

The best thing to do is open up outside major cities casinos it not only would attract tourist it would bring quality tourist to Thailand to throw there money away. Then all this TAT begging and lying would stop. Taxes from proceeds would double the GDP here Hire Thousands of Thais Upgrade hotels and street vendors could crowd the sidewalks in front of casinos Hawing there knockoffs.

[sonofjoyce]

I am totally amazed at the system here in the LOS? I have great respect for the law and generally for the Policeman who run it, but they have to earn my respect by obeying the law. In my country a misdeed like this one would after investigation that all the police officers involved would certainly lose their jobs and maybe their pensions? The new regime would be advised that for the public to respect the law then police officers should uphold it without bias or predjudice irrespective of the individuals position within the police force. They government wants the public to do away with corruption, but while the public see this sort of thing going on and nothing happening, then why should they?

Just what is an inactive post, can anbody explain that?

Since I have been here in the LOS, a number of years, there as been a lot of police and government people given inactive posts, does this mean all these people just sit around doing nothing. Idle minds spell out mischief?

[JacChang]

He will be transferred to an inactive post then promoted to be a police instructor, where he will teach his comrades how to do what he did and increase revenue for the police force.

[HOOD Robin]

Say what you want about the army's occupation of Thailand but at this point in Thailand's "development", it is obvious that a strong army influence is sorely needed. It is painfully obvious that the police in Thailand CANNOT be trusted AT ALL! They have made a complete mockery out of the law. The Thai police is more of a mafia organization than a law enforcement organization.

The army has also 100% my support, but general Prayuth should go further ! He needs to make an "example"... so instead of have these police culprits transferred

to another lousy job, he should PUNISH them no matter how much face they will lose !!

[Thaiready]

Ok boys take a deep breath, have the offending cops been charged with a crime yet, have they been found guilty of that crime yet. I believe the answer to those are a no. What is it with a few folks that if in Thailand you are guilty until proven innocent especially if you are a cop. Even in the states cops being investigated for a crime or typically off work with pay until the investigation is complete

I live in Nongrua.....they are guilty as hell. They denied the monies, cars and suspects being turned over to them.

Everyone in this one horse town knew the gambling was taking place here. This gambling den has been operating here for all the 15 years I have lived here.... The whole lot in Government here should be imprisoned from the BIB to the Mayor....if not for this offence for others unheard of.

[ratcatcher]

The best thing to do is open up outside major cities casinos it not only would attract tourist it would bring quality tourist to Thailand to throw there money away. Then all this TAT begging and lying would stop. Taxes from proceeds would double the GDP here Hire Thousands of Thais Upgrade hotels and street vendors could crowd the sidewalks in front of casinos Hawing there knockoffs.

I would argue that "Quality Tourists" wouldn't come to Thailand to gamble. The real high rollers move between Macao, Las Vegas, London and Monte Carlo and a few other select destinations.

I think Steve Wynn might be wise to consider a venture in Udon Thani or Buriram, that might energize the local economy and the ladies wouldn't have to travel all the way to Pattaya.

[kingalfred]

Typical of thailand. Involved in corruption and just"moved". charged? Hahaha rarely in the lawlessness land of s*****

Edited September 27, 2014 by kingalfred