Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[Krenjai]

https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/sean-mcanna-when-was-the-party/

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When did Sean Mcanna posted his first FB message?

[catsanddogs]

As a side note it has been pointed out on FB tonight that Sean McAnna was out that night with a Chris Cooper from Planet Scuba. Who then asked CSI to remove it from his page as Chris had been threatened. So that blows Sean's Alibi out of the water.

If this is accurate, Interpol should arrest this guy as an accessory to a double homicide, so please arrest this punk, he holds the key.....

I THINK HE WILL CONFIRM (IMHO)

He ran in the direction of to the crime-scene with his guitar in his hand and was welcomed with a stab wound in his right arm by somebody he knew (Mon?) (possible said FO), bled all over his guitar and ran away from the crime-scene to save his own life. It has been pointed out that maybe he was spared because they knew him.

Sean probably was not sure it was David he saw there, but he posted 12.30pm the same day on David FB: “Nah man. Please tell me it’s not you." , followed 30 minutes later by “I loved you so much brother. I know you tried to save her. You are the most honourable guy I’ve ever met. From getting mauled by a honey badger giving out sleeping bags to homeless people, to just partying like there’s no tomorrow. I will miss you terribly. I’m sorry I didn’t come out with you that night. Really my heart is breaking."

I DARE TO SAY (IMHO)

Sean knows who was involved in the crime and can positively identity at least one of the culprits. Of course he would have been killed if he did while still in Koh Tao. So Sean, do you think they might be looking for you after all, wherever you are in the world? Do you sleep well at night? Do you look over your shoulder every now and then? Maybe you should join Interpol's protective witness program before they get you.

Here Here!!!! totally agree. he also posted these. check the times. and he was out in Koh Tao on the evening of the 15th because he was caught in a picture from the Pub Crawl. He looks like he was wearing headphones around his neck. Was he doing DJ work?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.763140553732193.1073742091.195259667186954&type=3

this one shows the date he is also partially seen in the other photo

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So those photos are from the 16th, the day after David Miller, his friend was brutally murdered. The same man that said:

“He was killed that night. I feel f****** terrible.

“I loved you so f****** much brother. I know you tried to save her.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrified-pal-murdered-brit-pair-4303495

He doesn't look like he feels terrible although he looks terrible. In the same article from the Mirror her confirms that the phone he used in the store was NOT his:

“I took the phone from the girl working there and I went on my Facebook."

So why didn't he have his own phone on him? Someone took it off him maybe? Mon, cop? - because it had incriminating evidence on it possibly.

[Krenjai]

"Now that I have seen that he didn't leave with that girl, and he must have stumbled upon what happened and tried to fight them off."

[balo]

The full CCTV was shown to Thai PBS journalists around October 12 (a video showing their investigation is available online). If, repeat if, the CCTV has not been tampered with, Nomsod is almost certainly in the clear.

Actually he isn't in the clear at all. He had enough time. He has not a single student standing up for him. Not a teacher nobody. And they probably wont. Not straight out. It will come in snippets. Like the piece about Chris Copper drinking with Sean on the night of the 14th. Or the fact that Sean witnessed a confrontation in the AC bar that night and was given police protection when it all kicked off. Just dribs and drabs to the puzzle. Sean's downfall will be when he is off his face one night and he cant help let it out. He is a weak character. A loner and wanderer. No father to look upto. He is a sad excuse for a man. If he wanted to do his Father proud he would stand up like a man go to the police and tell them how it was. He doesn't have to go back to Thailand if he wasn't an accomplice, but he would save 2 lads lives. If he doesn't he will have to carry that for the rest of his days.

Oh dear, like you, I am convinced the B2 are innocent, and unsure if Nomsod was involved, but here I am disputing facts with you. Sigh!

If the CCTV footage reviewed by Thai PBS is genuine, he did not enter his room between 3:00 am and 9:00 am September 15, and was seen leaving a little after 9:00 am. (I am assuming here that he did not enter his room by scaling the outside of the building.) If the CCTV was not tampered with, and we trust the account of the Thai PBS journalists, Nomsod was not on Koh Tao at the time of the crimes.

Not a single teacher or student (that I am aware of) has gone or record (except anonymously and unverifiably) to state he was there or was not there. The consensus of anonymous reports was that he was not at the university on the 15th (which would raise a major question of where he was going at 9:00 am that morning) but was there on the 16th. There is nothing trustworthy here to prove things one way or the other.

The report on Sean and Chris Cooper together September 14 is interesting but unsubstantiated.

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

Edited January 1, 2015 by balo

[loonodingle]

The full CCTV was shown to Thai PBS journalists around October 12 (a video showing their investigation is available online). If, repeat if, the CCTV has not been tampered with, Nomsod is almost certainly in the clear.

Actually he isn't in the clear at all. He had enough time. He has not a single student standing up for him. Not a teacher nobody. And they probably wont. Not straight out. It will come in snippets. Like the piece about Chris Copper drinking with Sean on the night of the 14th. Or the fact that Sean witnessed a confrontation in the AC bar that night and was given police protection when it all kicked off. Just dribs and drabs to the puzzle. Sean's downfall will be when he is off his face one night and he cant help let it out. He is a weak character. A loner and wanderer. No father to look upto. He is a sad excuse for a man. If he wanted to do his Father proud he would stand up like a man go to the police and tell them how it was. He doesn't have to go back to Thailand if he wasn't an accomplice, but he would save 2 lads lives. If he doesn't he will have to carry that for the rest of his days.

Oh dear, like you, I am convinced the B2 are innocent, and unsure if Nomsod was involved, but here I am disputing facts with you. Sigh!

If the CCTV footage reviewed by Thai PBS is genuine, he did not enter his room between 3:00 am and 9:00 am September 15, and was seen leaving a little after 9:00 am. (I am assuming here that he did not enter his room by scaling the outside of the building.) If the CCTV was not tampered with, and we trust the account of the Thai PBS journalists, Nomsod was not on Koh Tao at the time of the crimes.

Not a single teacher or student (that I am aware of) has gone or record (except anonymously and unverifiably) to state he was there or was not there. The consensus of anonymous reports was that he was not at the university on the 15th (which would raise a major question of where he was going at 9:00 am that morning) but was there on the 16th. There is nothing trustworthy here to prove things one way or the other.

The report on Sean and Chris Cooper together September 14 is interesting but unsubstantiated.

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

You know maybe Nomsod is the Red Herring here.

What about his brother who owns In touch next door for example.

Or Uncle Mon who went after Sean.

What we can confidently say is Hannah had a row with Someone in the AC correct??? can we all agree on this fact. And that David left the AC with Hannah to go back to the apartments.

We can hopefully..........Phewwwwwwwwwwww... agree some of Sean McAnna's story is inconsistent..

Anybody disagree.?

[StealthEnergiser]

Uncle Mon and the other guy in the picture refused to give a DNA test according to an online news source.

[loonodingle]

Uncle Mon and the other guy in the picture refused to give a DNA test according to an online news source.

I have an open mind. Just cant get away from the feeling that Sean McAnna knows a lot more.

Theres plenty of people on that island that know as well. Except they are Thai. They want to stay there so they will not open up.

Remember there was 3 DNA profiles on Hannah as well. All Asian profiles.

Aye I have a headache. Anyway going to call the coroner in the morning. I believe the Inquest is adjourned until after the trial is finished. Need to check that out.

[BritTim]

You know maybe Nomsod is the Red Herring here.

What about his brother who owns In touch next door for example.

Or Uncle Mon who went after Sean.

What we can confidently say is Hannah had a row with Someone in the AC correct??? can we all agree on this fact. And that David left the AC with Hannah to go back to the apartments.

We can hopefully..........Phewwwwwwwwwwww... agree some of Sean McAnna's story is inconsistent..

Anybody disagree.?

I agree with most of that, though some bits are still not fully confirmed. What is without any doubt, I think, is that Mon's behavior has been strange in the extreme if he does not have a major stake in the outcome.

[boomerangutang]

Point number 3. Why would the Burmese know who committed the crime ?

Only they (and the people they may have seen/heard that night) know for sure . But if they do know some things about the crime, it's already been articulated why they would be wise not to speak up about it at this time. Their, and the defense's focus is to get acquitted, so they can get out of prison and go on with their young lives.

I think they know at least some things about who the perps are because they were on the beach late at night. They work-at, and know others who own/work at the nearby rowdy bars. Saying what they said ("we were drunk, we went home to sleep"), in response to the judge's question, was the smart thing to do. If we want to discuss who is telling the truth and who is lying, .....then there are scores of candidates for lying. Those lies/liars are what we're trying to unravel in this online discussion.

[loonodingle]

boomerangutang

Do you not think there's dozens of people.who know possibly 100's.

The Dynamics would change even more on Koh Tao if members of this clan where jailed.

[AGareth2]

the B2 were probably tucked up in bed at the time of the murders

they saw nothing and can't implicate anyone

makes for good scapegoats as they can't squeal in court

[berybert]

Point number 3. Why would the Burmese know who committed the crime ?

Only they (and the people they may have seen/heard that night) know for sure . But if they do know some things about the crime, it's already been articulated why they would be wise not to speak up about it at this time. Their, and the defense's focus is to get acquitted, so they can get out of prison and go on with their young lives.

I think they know at least some things about who the perps are because they were on the beach late at night. They work-at, and know others who own/work at the nearby rowdy bars. Saying what they said ("we were drunk, we went home to sleep"), in response to the judge's question, was the smart thing to do. If we want to discuss who is telling the truth and who is lying, .....then there are scores of candidates for lying. Those lies/liars are what we're trying to unravel in this online discussion.

They were indeed on the beach that night as you say, and as were loads of other people.

Then they went to bed. So any chance of only them knowing what happened isn't likely. Of course like everybody else on the island they will have heard stories just like the rest of us.

You seem to be trying to put them at the crime at the time of the murder. So are you changing your mind and saying it was them ?

[greenchair]

"Now that I have seen that he didn't leave with that girl, and he must have stumbled upon what happened and tried to fight them off."

Sean on 22nd.jpg

Date ??

I think we need to do a special timeline of Sean.

Pic in bar ⏳➕day.

Pic 7/11 ⏳➕day.

News reports⏳➕day

Facebook ⏳➕day

[greenchair]

"Now that I have seen that he didn't leave with that girl, and he must have stumbled upon what happened and tried to fight them off."

Sean on 22nd.jpg

Date ??

I think we need to do a special timeline of Sean.

Pic in bar ⏳➕day.

Pic 7/11 ⏳➕day.

News reports⏳➕day

Facebook ⏳➕day

I think Sean planned what he said in the 2 email very carefully.

Both to insinuate that he was not there. Still a prime suspect in my mind .

[boomerangutang]

Point number 3. Why would the Burmese know who committed the crime ?

Only they (and the people they may have seen/heard that night) know for sure . But if they do know some things about the crime, it's already been articulated why they would be wise not to speak up about it at this time. Their, and the defense's focus is to get acquitted, so they can get out of prison and go on with their young lives.

I think they know at least some things about who the perps are because they were on the beach late at night. They work-at, and know others who own/work at the nearby rowdy bars. Saying what they said ("we were drunk, we went home to sleep"), in response to the judge's question, was the smart thing to do. If we want to discuss who is telling the truth and who is lying, .....then there are scores of candidates for lying. Those lies/liars are what we're trying to unravel in this online discussion.

They were indeed on the beach that night as you say, and as were loads of other people.

Then they went to bed. So any chance of only them knowing what happened isn't likely. Of course like everybody else on the island they will have heard stories just like the rest of us.

You seem to be trying to put them at the crime at the time of the murder. So are you changing your mind and saying it was them ?

boomerangutang

Do you not think there's dozens of people.who know possibly 100's.

The Dynamics would change even more on Koh Tao if members of this clan where jailed.

Obviously, I don't know what they saw, or even what time they split to go home. That's up to the trial to try to determine. I doubt there were even dozens of people who know what happened. There are thousands who surmise what probably happened (ourselves included). Yet, even tho it's a party beach, it was still quite late at night, almost sunrise, when the crime happened. Even at a party beach, I'd imagine most late-nighters split before 3 am.

Granted, events leading up to it could be vital to determining who's guilty. I pictured the campfire with between 5 and ten night owls. Perhaps there were more. Sure would help if some of the people who really know - would pipe up and tell the truth. Fat chance, given how many appear to be lying to save their skins, and I'm not so much referring to the Burmese, as I'm referring to family and friends of the Headman.

[Krenjai]

"Now that I have seen that he didn't leave with that girl, and he must have stumbled upon what happened and tried to fight them off."

Sean on 22nd.jpg

Date ??

I think we need to do a special timeline of Sean.

Pic in bar ⏳➕day.

Pic 7/11 ⏳➕day.

News reports⏳➕day

Facebook ⏳➕day

I think Sean planned what he said in the 2 email very carefully.

Both to insinuate that he was not there. Still a prime suspect in my mind .

Agreed 100%, please start timeline

[loonodingle]

If any person spoke out to give information on the true events of that night they could never go back to Thailand without fear of reprisals. And that's a big factor there.

[balo]

You know maybe Nomsod is the Red Herring here.

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

What about his brother who owns In touch next door for example.

Or Uncle Mon who went after Sean.

What we can confidently say is Hannah had a row with Someone in the AC correct??? can we all agree on this fact. And that David left the AC with Hannah to go back to the apartments.

We can hopefully..........Phewwwwwwwwwwww... agree some of Sean McAnna's story is inconsistent..

Anybody disagree.?

That's what I've been suggesting all the time , all this focus on nomsod is not really good for solving this case.

Sean could know something yes , he could also be involved in a serious crime , but again no evidence which make this case almost unsolvable unless someone start talking.

But my personal opinion which is not shared by most of you, is that B2 still are suspects. And not only because of the DNA match .

Edited January 2, 2015 by metisdead
16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post.

[greenchair]

Point number 3. Why would the Burmese know who committed the crime ?

Only they (and the people they may have seen/heard that night) know for sure . But if they do know some things about the crime, it's already been articulated why they would be wise not to speak up about it at this time. Their, and the defense's focus is to get acquitted, so they can get out of prison and go on with their young lives.

I think they know at least some things about who the perps are because they were on the beach late at night. They work-at, and know others who own/work at the nearby rowdy bars. Saying what they said ("we were drunk, we went home to sleep"), in response to the judge's question, was the smart thing to do. If we want to discuss who is telling the truth and who is lying, .....then there are scores of candidates for lying. Those lies/liars are what we're trying to unravel in this online discussion.

They were indeed on the beach that night as you say, and as were loads of other people.

Then they went to bed. So any chance of only them knowing what happened isn't likely. Of course like everybody else on the island they will have heard stories just like the rest of us.

You seem to be trying to put them at the crime at the time of the murder. So are you changing your mind and saying it was them ?

boomerangutang

Do you not think there's dozens of people.who know possibly 100's.

The Dynamics would change even more on Koh Tao if members of this clan where jailed.

Obviously, I don't know what they saw, or even what time they split to go home. That's up to the trial to try to determine. I doubt there were even dozens of people who know what happened. There are thousands who surmise what probably happened (ourselves included). Yet, even tho it's a party beach, it was still quite late at night, almost sunrise, when the crime happened. Even at a party beach, I'd imagine most late-nighters split before 3 am.

Granted, events leading up to it could be vital to determining who's guilty. I pictured the campfire with between 5 and ten night owls. Perhaps there were more. Sure would help if some of the people who really know - would pipe up and tell the truth. Fat chance, given how many appear to be lying to save their skins, and I'm not so much referring to the Burmese, as I'm referring to family and friends of the Headman.

According to the crew down on kt. Every man and his dog was tucked up asleep from 1:30-6:00.

[greenchair]

"Now that I have seen that he didn't leave with that girl, and he must have stumbled upon what happened and tried to fight them off."

Sean on 22nd.jpg

Date ??

I think we need to do a special timeline of Sean.

Pic in bar ⏳➕day.

Pic 7/11 ⏳➕day.

News reports⏳➕day

Facebook ⏳➕day

I think Sean planned what he said in the 2 email very carefully.

Both to insinuate that he was not there. Still a prime suspect in my mind .

Agreed 100%, please start timeline

I am tired today.

Tomorrow we will start a timeline for Sean ,Muang Muang, .

[BritTim]

Obviously, I don't know what they saw, or even what time they split to go home. That's up to the trial to try to determine. I doubt there were even dozens of people who know what happened. There are thousands who surmise what probably happened (ourselves included). Yet, even tho it's a party beach, it was still quite late at night, almost sunrise, when the crime happened. Even at a party beach, I'd imagine most late-nighters split before 3 am.

Granted, events leading up to it could be vital to determining who's guilty. I pictured the campfire with between 5 and ten night owls. Perhaps there were more. Sure would help if some of the people who really know - would pipe up and tell the truth. Fat chance, given how many appear to be lying to save their skins, and I'm not so much referring to the Burmese, as I'm referring to family and friends of the Headman.

I doubt there were even dozens of people who know what happened.

My guess is that there are at least dozens who are certain or almost certain of the true facts:

• I think there will have been at least four attackers, perhaps more. To prevent the escape of two big healthy young people, subdue and kill them is no trivial task. Some of these attackers (hard men proud of their handiwork) will, when drinking, have blabbed to their hard men friends and their girlfriends. Some of those people, in turn, will have repeated what they have been told.
• For an effective cover up, the investigating team must be told what really occurred so they can deflect attention away from the real perpetrators. This will have been some or all of the local police. They, in turn, might well blab to others.
• Those able to review all the CCTV footage will have been capable of reconstructing the main points.
• Although foot traffic will have been light in the early morning, I think a few people will have heard and seen something. They will definitely have told friends and family.
• Most important, work colleagues (mainly Burmese), friends and family of the attackers will have noticed things (bloody clothing, wounds, unusual behavior) that, together with knowledge of the people involved will allow them to connect the dots. Probably, most of the Burmese community on the island has heard third or fourth hand the credible suspicions raised.
• Those (mainly Burmese) who have been threatened and offered bribes to falsely accuse the Burmese kids will know who is leading the cover up, and can probably make a good guess as to who is being protected.

Anyway, no one who lives there, or might want to return in the future is likely to come forward. To use Sean's words "these are scary people".

[thailandchilli]

You know maybe Nomsod is the Red Herring here.

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

What about his brother who owns In touch next door for example.

Or Uncle Mon who went after Sean.

What we can confidently say is Hannah had a row with Someone in the AC correct??? can we all agree on this fact. And that David left the AC with Hannah to go back to the apartments.

We can hopefully..........Phewwwwwwwwwwww... agree some of Sean McAnna's story is inconsistent..

Anybody disagree.?

That's what I've been suggesting all the time , all this focus on nomsod is not really good for solving this case.

Sean could know something yes , he could also be involved in a serious crime , but again no evidence which make this case almost unsolvable unless someone start talking.

But my personal opinion which is not shared by most of you, is that B2 still are suspects. And not only because of the DNA match .

Balo, not often that I can agree with you but I do respect the post you've made here. You are entitled to your own opinion as are others

[boomerangutang]

let's, for a moment, consider what people who live near the scene might have heard and thought. I'm referring mostly to locals residents who, for example, take care of guest houses, or work at shops/services/bars.

That section of beach, with and without the majestic rocks, is a party beach. There's probably some party activity going every night if not raining. And some parties go on until dawn. There's always booze and probably other drugs. There's laughter, shouting, music, making out, sex, fighting ....you name it. To reside and/or work near that party beach is to become inured to raucous sounds or go nuts and move away. Just before dawn, when the crime happened, is when even late-to-bed types are in deep sleep. Screams and shouts coming from the beach would be par for the course. I'm mentioning this because, we can not expect locals within earshot to react with alarm to shouts and screams coming from the beach. Perhaps a few locals perked up and thought the screams were particularly passionate. Perhaps one or two of those folks would have had the courage to step forward and speak up. Even so, it's highly unlikely any non-partiers would stir themselves to get dressed and venture out to see what's up. Thais in particular, would rather keep out of others' problems, particularly if they think they could get hurt.

[jimmybkk]

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

Has this pic been discussed already?

Is this not the one people claimed the furniture was not as it would have been on the date in question? It's not so easy to find this pic online anymore and I would be interested to hear an explanation about that door, if anyone has one...

[loonodingle]

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

Has this pic been discussed already?

Uni pic.jpg

Is this not the one people claimed the furniture was not as it would have been on the date in question? It's not so easy to find this pic online anymore and I would be interested to hear an explanation about that door, if anyone has one...

My Response is this

RUMOUR: The prime suspect is a 22/23 year old student, nickname ‘Nomsod’. He is the son of Warot Toovichien, a village headman and the Patriarch of one of 5 powerful families that control business interests in Koh Tao. His uncle is the other suspect mentioned above who was all over the crime scene.

FACT: Early on the morning of September 15th, before the bodies were discovered a speedboat was seen leaving the Island carrying unidentified occupants.

RUMOUR: Comparisons of the CCTV footage of the shirtless running man and pictures of Nomsod do seem to suggest it was him on tape. His gait, in particular his arm when he walks, and his hair (which was promptly cut short shortly afterwards) are the key similarities.

FACT: The father’s statement originally was that Nomsod had to hurry back to Uni in Bangkok for exams. A week later, when they were put under further scrutiny his statement changed to: ‘He hasn’t been home (to Koh Tao) for a few months, I haven’t seen him’. This was untrue however as he had been photographed on the island a month earlier.

FACT: On September 24th it was announced that Nomsod was a person of interest. A press conference was quickly launched at his embassy where his lawyer (a close family friend) brought out CCTV stills of Nomsod at his university residence. The timestamp was 09:16 sept 15th. Early flights from Koh Samui and Surat Thani would have given him enough time to get back to BKK and jump in a taxi. Logic dictates that if he had been at his residence the previous night there would also have been footage to prove that. Recently doubt has been cast on the authenticity of the time stamps, as furniture seen in the residence had been moved a few months before hand yet was back in it’s old position in these cctv captures.

FACT: The police did not request a DNA test from Nomsod. After September the 24th the Police investigation of Nomsod was quietly dropped and not pursued any further. In mid to late October Nomsod finally did a big public televised media spectacle of a DNA swab, with his father sitting loftily amongst the police, the results of course coming back as negative. This impressed no-one as it had already been assumed by critics that the DNA evidence was useless and the showy way in which this happened reinforced suspicions that this had been a long game played over the last month to confuse the public.

[mcm991]

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

Has this pic been discussed already?

Uni pic.jpg

Is this not the one people claimed the furniture was not as it would have been on the date in question? It's not so easy to find this pic online anymore and I would be interested to hear an explanation about that door, if anyone has one...

Photoshop by a monkey.

[loonodingle]

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

Has this pic been discussed already?

Uni pic.jpg

Is this not the one people claimed the furniture was not as it would have been on the date in question? It's not so easy to find this pic online anymore and I would be interested to hear an explanation about that door, if anyone has one...

Photoshop by a monkey.

By ???

[loonodingle]

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

Has this pic been discussed already?

Uni pic.jpg

Is this not the one people claimed the furniture was not as it would have been on the date in question? It's not so easy to find this pic online anymore and I would be interested to hear an explanation about that door, if anyone has one...

15th or 16th.?????

R U Sure..

Edited January 2, 2015 by loonodingle

[catsanddogs]

It would be interesting to hear loonodingle response to this, if we believe the footage and the date stamp is genuine, he could not be on the island, could he ?

Has this pic been discussed already?

Uni pic.jpg

Is this not the one people claimed the furniture was not as it would have been on the date in question? It's not so easy to find this pic online anymore and I would be interested to hear an explanation about that door, if anyone has one...

15th or 16th.?????

R U Sure..

How come? What are the sources of the two identical stills with the same time showing but one says 15th Sept and one says 16th? Truly perplexed now.

[loonodingle]

Has this pic been discussed already?

Uni pic.jpg

Is this not the one people claimed the furniture was not as it would have been on the date in question? It's not so easy to find this pic online anymore and I would be interested to hear an explanation about that door, if anyone has one...

15th or 16th.?????

R U Sure..

or this one