THE England thread

[keithsimmonds]

8 hours ago, jellydog said:

Ospina was cheating to his left before Henderson took that PK. You have to wonder if he had an idea Hendo was going that way.

From 6000 miles away to me his body language was always pointing to that side...it looked a give away to me.

[AlexRich]

4 minutes ago, keithsimmonds said:

From 6000 miles away to me his body language was always pointing to that side...it looked a give away to me.

 

Henderson looked less composed than his teammates in the seconds before the penalty kick ... as I watched him I thought he might well miss ... to be fair he hit the target, their goalie did well. England winning was poetic justice, Colombia constantly cheated throughout that match.

[jellydog]

33 minutes ago, keithsimmonds said:

From 6000 miles away to me his body language was always pointing to that side...it looked a give away to me.

Yeah, exactly. Not only was Ospina leaning that way, he actually set up to that side of the goal.

[xylophone]

22 minutes ago, jellydog said:

Yeah, exactly. Not only was Ospina leaning that way, he actually set up to that side of the goal.

Something else to consider here...………….a very good respected goalkeeper told me that he would deliberately stand a little to one side therefore showing a slightly bigger space to one side and that would be the one to which he would dive, hoping that the bigger space would entice the taker to try to place his shot there.

 

Reasoned that he would have a better chance if he had the odds in his favour...………..food for thought!

[alfieconn]

1 hour ago, keithsimmonds said:

From 6000 miles away to me his body language was always pointing to that side...it looked a give away to me.

Farking ell keith, you must have good eyes ?

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3 hours ago, xylophone said:

Same here, but every soften he turns it on and looks good, and then...……..goes awol.

Yeah he needs to add goals to his game to make himself a fixture at both club and international level.

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57 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Something else to consider here...………….a very good respected goalkeeper told me that he would deliberately stand a little to one side therefore showing a slightly bigger space to one side and that would be the one to which he would dive, hoping that the bigger space would entice the taker to try to place his shot there.

 

Reasoned that he would have a better chance if he had the odds in his favour...………..food for thought!

Think it was on 5 live podcast  someone said that they gleamed  from an interview maybe from our keeper ? Not sure, but that every pen barring kanes went to the side  where the keepers pre match  penalty research suggested it would.

[keithsimmonds]

14 minutes ago, alfieconn said:

Farking ell keith, you must have good eyes ?

That will be my Glaucoma eye drops....took em just before the penalty shoot-out ?

[RickG16]

5 hours ago, wilai said:

3 goals and an assist in 4 games before his injury. Stop talking rubbish!

Which games were they then? From what I can see the last times he was on the pitch was for a meaningless ENG friendly and two of Liverpool's last PL games, and I can't see any goals or assists.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken.....

[wilai]

4 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

Which games were they then? From what I can see the last times he was on the pitch was for a meaningless ENG friendly and two of Liverpool's last PL games, and I can't see any goals or assists.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken.....

Try reading the Thread Title! Was also England POTY before the injury.

[RickG16]

5 minutes ago, wilai said:

Try reading the Thread Title!

Well the last 2 games he appeared for ENG he didn't score or assist.

 

Oh.......so you are going all the way back to late '16 - early '17. See what you've done there. One of those games was a meaningless friendly and another was against Lithuania. 

 

We both know stats are entirely subjective, especially when they are from nearly 2 years ago. Gonna take more than that to convince me Lallana's a good player... couple of Liverpool players I wouldn't mind at United.. he's not one of them.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

Well the last 2 games he appeared for ENG he didn't score or assist.

 

Oh.......so you are going all the way back to late '16 - early '17. See what you've done there. One of those games was a meaningless friendly and another was against Lithuania. 

 

We both know stats are entirely subjective, especially when they are from nearly 2 years ago. Gonna take more than that to convince me Lallana's a good player... couple of Liverpool players I wouldn't mind at United.. he's not one of them.

 

 

Agree with others regarding his goals for an  age after joining liverpool maybe  down to where he was playin or just the step up but he struggled to add goals to his game but prior to his long term injury he added them and was scoring and assisting for both club and country..perhaps post injury he took a while to get bac..but to me him and the ox are MAJOR misses for us...

[RickG16]

^^ So basically... he had no end product for a long time, then had a decent run of form, and has now gone back to having no end product.

 

Why didn't we take Andros Townsend to the WC... he was pretty good for about six months too. 

[wilai]

30 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

Well the last 2 games he appeared for ENG he didn't score or assist.

 

Oh.......so you are going all the way back to late '16 - early '17. See what you've done there. One of those games was a meaningless friendly and another was against Lithuania. 

 

We both know stats are entirely subjective, especially when they are from nearly 2 years ago. Gonna take more than that to convince me Lallana's a good player... couple of Liverpool players I wouldn't mind at United.. he's not one of them.

 

 

So you don't like him! Not surprised as he would never fit in with Utd's ponderous, defensive style. But your original comment "Mr No End Product" was ignorant and rubbish,  Especially as over the same period of time, despite his injuries, he's scored more for England than either Rashford or Lingard.

 

And as for your latest words of wisdom. He was patently unfit towards the end of the season.....which is why he never made the squad. 

[RickG16]

Just now, wilai said:

So you don't like him! Not surprised as he would never fit in with Utd's ponderous, defensive style. But your original comment "Mr No End Product" was ignorant and rubbish,  Especially as over the same period of time, despite his injuries, he's scored more for England than either Rashford or Lingard.

 

I said he is notorious for having no end product. And you are trying to disprove that based on an isolated run of games from nearly 2 years ago - one of which was a meaningless friendly and another against questionable opposition... stick to TV listings mate.

 

He's known for flattering to deceive. Takes a couple of nice touches but how often does he screw up in the final third. 

 

 

[mommysboy]

7 hours ago, RickG16 said:

? Lallana is Mr No End Product

For England he hit a purple patch for sure.

[RickG16]

1 minute ago, mommysboy said:

For England he hit a purple patch for sure.

So did Peter Crouch. 

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16 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

^^ So basically... he had no end product for a long time, then had a decent run of form, and has now gone back to having no end product.

 

Why didn't we take Andros Townsend to the WC... he was pretty good for about six months too. 

I aint a liverpool fan but Llalana was playing well just not scoring then  maybe it was kloppy turning up  maybe it was b4 not sure but  he added the similar ratio of goals to his liverpool game as he had at southampton then got injured came bac and got injured again .and is still out . so a fit and match fit lallana would have been an asset

.. but if you dont want to see that ... your shout

[BangrakBob]

14 hours ago, alfieconn said:

I think we saw that he isn't a penalty taker, mind you nor are Trippier and Dier

Trippier is a dead ball specialist though, and Dier was lucky. At least ALL of them had the balls to step up!

[BangrakBob]

40 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

For England he hit a purple patch for sure.

He was Klopp's go to guy season before last ....just not fit or ready unfortunately.

 

Shame about Chamberlain, he was riding the crest of a wave when he got injured. 

[mommysboy]

1 minute ago, RickG16 said:

So did Peter Crouch. 

Lallana was going well up until a long term injury, and then couldn't get back in to the Liverpool side.  He has more 'recency' than Crouch.

 

But what I am saying is that he and Ox demonstrably offer more than poor old Sterling, and it's also the midfield where we are lacking.

[Bredbury Blue]

See Henderson took one from the sniper on the grassyknoll with an air gun. That was embarrassing.

[champers]

17 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

See Henderson took one from the sniper on the grassyknoll with an air gun. That was embarrassing.

Too true. It's simulation and should get a yellow card. 

[StevieH]

2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Lallana was going well up until a long term injury, and then couldn't get back in to the Liverpool side.  He has more 'recency' than Crouch.

 

But what I am saying is that he and Ox demonstrably offer more than poor old Sterling, and it's also the midfield where we are lacking.

 

oxlade-chamberlain was a massive out for liverpool at the end of the season and he's a massive out for this england side too. all energy and directness and pace. such a shame.

 

lallana is about england's most "european" player, a guy whose movement and use of the ball would fit in the way spain play for example. get it, give it, move and get it again, keep it. he too is a big loss to this england side. he'd link the midfield and attack far better than anything that's in this squad now. 

[smokie36]

18 minutes ago, StevieH said:

 

oxlade-chamberlain was a massive out for liverpool at the end of the season and he's a massive out for this england side too. all energy and directness and pace. such a shame.

 

lallana is about england's most "european" player, a guy whose movement and use of the ball would fit in the way spain play for example. get it, give it, move and get it again, keep it. he too is a big loss to this england side. he'd link the midfield and attack far better than anything that's in this squad now. 

 

When you add Winks to this mix and yes I know he's not the creative player but is young and fits the mould of this young team all looks good for the future of Southgate's squad.

 

They need another striker though.

[RickG16]

18 minutes ago, StevieH said:

lallana is about england's most "european" player, a guy whose movement and use of the ball would fit in the way spain play for example.

 

We aren't Spain.

 

Southgate has been clever enough to build a team and formation around the strengths of our best attacking mids - namely pace, work rate, and goal scoring ability (on their day).  So far, they haven't done too badly.

 

Stop trying to scrape the barrel looking for a non-existent 'midfield maestro' or no 10. type which we simply don't have. The fact bang average players are being suggested proves this.

[StevieH]

3 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

 

We aren't Spain.

 

Southgate has been clever enough to build a team and formation around the strengths of our best attacking mids - namely pace, work rate, and goal scoring ability (on their day).  So far, they haven't done too badly.

 

Stop trying to scrape the barrel looking for a non-existent 'midfield maestro' or no 10. type which we simply don't have. The fact bang average players are being suggested proves this.

 

agree about southgate making the most of what he has to work with, and is doing a very good job. like him a lot. i'm not scraping any barrel though saying lallana is england's best link man, he's an excellent, highly intelligent player who if fit would make this england side a more difficult proposition to play against and would likely help make more chances for the superb harry kane. but well done on knowing england isn't spain like. ?

[StevieH]

15 minutes ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

When you add Winks to this mix and yes I know he's not the creative player but is young and fits the mould of this young team all looks good for the future of Southgate's squad.

 

They need another striker though.

 

england mostly need a creative midfielder and just don't have one. got a great striker, got a few lads with pace and technique, but while they don't have an actual playmaker they're going to struggle against top sides. i like southgate a lot and what he's done is really impressive but you only go so far without a lad who can pick top defences apart. dele alli's a cracking talent but it isn't him. loftus-cheek is impressive in ways but it isn't him either. where's the guy who picks locks?

[RickG16]

15 minutes ago, StevieH said:

 

agree about southgate making the most of what he has to work with, and is doing a very good job. like him a lot. i'm not scraping any barrel though saying lallana is england's best link man, he's an excellent, highly intelligent player who if fit would make this england side a more difficult proposition to play against and would likely help make more chances for the superb harry kane. but well done on knowing england isn't spain like. ?

Ox you can make a good case for. Probably to do what Loftus Cheek is doing now, or even replace Sterling / Lingard / Alli dependent on form.

 

But Lallana.... do me a favour. You do know he had a chance at Euro 16 right?

[wilai]

3 hours ago, RickG16 said:

Ox you can make a good case for. Probably to do what Loftus Cheek is doing now, or even replace Sterling / Lingard / Alli dependent on form.

 

But Lallana.... do me a favour. You do know he had a chance at Euro 16 right?

Still on about him!!! Has he screwed your missus or something?